The Reason For This New Section

[admin]

Today on my university campus, there was a Christian group holding a demonstration against homosexuality and abortion.  All the Left Wing students were counter demonstrating  against them in an uncivilized manner. I yelled to the Leftists that Jews are also against their behavior and that Left Wing Jews give Jews a bad name. One of the Leftists was a Jew with a pierced face and she said she's Jewish and what I said is not true. I told her she doesn't believe in real Judaism. Her lame response was why do I shave and wear modern clothes because she must have thought that all Jews dress like Hasidim. The Leftists were cursing. They had rainbow signs, using the hijacked symbol of The Noahide Covenant. They hijacked the word gay, the rainbow, the word peace, among other words. But the Christians didn't like that I don't believe in Jesus. I told them about JTF and how Jews and Christians should work together to save America and Israel. They agreed me JTF's policies though on America such as being against affirmative action, and all the other issues. They also said they agree that Bush's shtick about there being good Muslims to be nonsense and that we should only support the war because the soldiers going to fight think they are serving their country.

However, if Christian groups will try to missionize, their missions won't succeed because G-d will bless those that bless The Jews and curse those that curse them. That is why it is very important for Righteous Gentiles to be inspired by JTF to work together with Jews to fight for morality and to save America and Israel from the forces of evil.

Abortion and homosexuality are the two sins that G-d will not tolerate from any Gentile nation and any nation that tolerates such filth will be destroyed by G-d as we say with Sodom and Gomorrah, Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece, The Roman Empire, etc.... Anyone who loves America will oppose those two abominations.

[wonderfulgoy]

I've never had anything other than trouble with Christians all my life.  Sorry to say it.  But maybe that's just because I have a nasty personality, or maybe some other reason.  For them, Jesus comes first, even before Israel.   

[genteelgentile]

This might be a good place for people to post arguments against such things as abortion, homosexuality, and drug use.  I want to be able to say more than things like "the Bible is against it."  That is important, but being that I am not the best of debaters, I would like some ideas.

[MarZutra]

Shalom all....  The pure purpose for "Same Sex Marriage", this catering to the homos and abortion is both political and social.  I advocate that all JTF Members and anyone reading this go down to your nearest used book store and pick up a copy of Karl Marx's "Communist Manifesto".  This abomination and total sin is being pushed as a "Right to Choose" or a "Freedom of Choice" etc. to the ignorant liberal followers.  In actual fact it is a result of the elite pushing the Marxist agenda onto the benighted as something that they propagate as "good".  This topic directly relates to Marxism in that it furthers many specific pillars/goals Marxism must accomplish to their "ends justifies the means".  You will see that each specific goal as identified by Marx's "Manifesto" have both political and social ends.  The specific socio-political goals of Marxism: Socialism: Communsim as professed in his work are:
1.   Abolition of private property
2.   Abolition of Countries, Nations and States
3.   Dissolving of individuality and culture
4.   Abolition of the Family Unit (advocating public/private communal prostitution (wives))
5.   Abolition of basic freedoms
6.   Abolition of eternal truths
7.   Abolition of religion
8.   Abolition of morality
9.   Continually changing “Justice” to meet the society
10.   Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes
11.   A heavy progressive or graduated income tax
12.   Abolition of right of inheritance
13.   Confiscation of all property of all emigrants and rebels.
14.   Centralized credit in hands of State (Federal Reserve/Central Banking System)
15.   Centralization of communication and transportation in hands of State
16.   Extension of factories and instruments of production in hands of the State.
17.   Cultivation of waste land and re distribution of populations.
18.   Equal liability of all labour.  Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
19.   Gradual abolishment of distinction between town and country.
20.   Free public education for all children in public schools
Now from this list you can see where the advocation of Same Sex Marriage, Homosexuality and Abortion directly relate to sections: 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,12,20 either directly or indirectly.  The basic goal of this Socialistic garbage is to Abolish Family, Morality, Culture, Truths, Freedoms and the Nation State to have a NEW WORLD ORDER by the Prolitariate.  Some works I strongly agree with are: "To Eliminate the Opiate" - Rabbi Marvin Antelman, "The Rainbow Swastika" - Hanah Newman and "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" - Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt.  Kahane was right in his book "Why Be Jew" and "Never Again".....Judaism is not Liberalism, Socialism, Communism etc...  I hope this helped the discussion board and welcome all responses...  Zei gezunt une shtark!  Marzutra

[Christian Zionist]

Yacov, thank you for opening this new section!

Many Christians see Jews like Al Franken, Abe Foxman, Norman Lear and others and think that all Jews are like that.  The degree of danger posed by Al Franken, Hollywood, the ADL and the ACLU are far greater to the survival of America when viewed in a Christian perspective. For this very reason many well meaning righteous Christians who want to follow the Biblical morality hate Jews. I have seen good Christians saying because of the Jews only America's moral standards are declining.  It is very hard to find Jews like Kahanite Jews. Some Christians do not even believe in the existance of organizations like JTF.


Get Thee wrote: "For them, Jesus comes first, even before Israel".

Chaim said in one of this week's broadcasts when describing about islam and other religions "No one can be a Christian without believing in Jesus"  - Very true.  For every Christian Jesus comes first before everything else.  There are some liberal Christian organizations like the Episcopilians, Presbytarians, Anglicans and World council of Churches who do not put Jesus first.  They deny the Divine origin of the Bible, creation, 10 plagues in Egypt, miracles done by Moses, Virgin birth of Jesus and His resurrection.  Therefore they do not care about moral issues and Israel.  Fundamentalist Christians often refer Jews as "Lord's brothers" because in our New Testament we read Jesus one day casting out all people who hate His brothers (Jews) to hell and welcoming those who supported the Jews into heaven (Matt. 25-32:46). That is the reason belief in Jesus plays a vital part in supporting Israel.   All Christian Jew haters come from liberal Churches because they do not even believe in Jesus in the first place.

I do not personally believe in standing in street corners, arguing with people and distributing tracts like Jews for Jesus and some missionary groups do.  That is not the right way to propagate Christianity.  Even Jesus would not ask His followers if He happens to be in the earth today.  The contents of the New Testament significantly from the Talmud and the teachings of Judaism it is essentially a pro-Israel book given by Jews who were early Christians!

Let us all unite to defeat the liberals and the muslims

[Christian Zionist]

G-d should come first. Because G-d commands people to bless Israel, you can not love G-d without first loving Israel, just like you can not love America without first loving Israel. Otherwise America will be cursed. It just happens to be that some Christians consider Jesus to be a part of G-d, which is where we disagree but true Christian Zionists will say that part of their belief in Jesus is supporting Israel.

Both are true.  I cannot believe in Jesus without supporting Israel otherwise I will an oxymoron. Supporting Israel is an integral part of my Christian faith.  Israel is not just a political system but it is a Divine entity!  Jews are not like other races or ethnic groups they are G-d's chosen people, the apple of G-d's eye and are in eternal covenant with G-d. Yes, Jews and Christians disagree when it comes to the Divinity/Messiahship of Jesus but we share a common heritage.  All (not some) Christians including Catholics and Protestants consider Jesus to be part of G-d.  Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and Pastor John Hagee are true Zionist Christians and they consider Jesus to be part of G-d!  We Zionist Christians consider Tanak to the 100% inspired and inerrant Word of G-d.  Even liberal Christian denominations in their creed of confession declare Jesus to be a part of G-d eventhough they do not literally believe in the Bible. 

[GentileLady]

Yacov, thank you for opening this new section!

"...well meaning righteous Christians who want to follow the Biblical morality hate Jews....

  CORRECTION:  Well meaning, MISGUIDED Christians who want to follow the Biblcal morality[but who can't be bothered to read the Bible for themselves] hate Jews.

Some Christians do not even believe in the existance of organizations like JTF.

SOME Christians, not all.  The Devil is the great deceiver.  Never forget that.  He can and will lead many astray.

Chaim said in one of this week's broadcasts when describing about islam and other religions "No one can be a Christian without believing in Jesus"  - Very true.  For every Christian Jesus comes first before everything else.  There are some liberal Christian organizations like the Episcopilians, Presbytarians, Anglicans and World council of Churches who do not put Jesus first.  They deny the Divine origin of the Bible, creation, 10 plagues in Egypt, miracles done by Moses, Virgin birth of Jesus and His resurrection.  Therefore they do not care about moral issues and Israel.  Fundamentalist Christians often refer Jews as "Lord's brothers" because in our New Testament we read Jesus one day casting out all people who hate His brothers (Jews) to hell and welcoming those who supported the Jews into heaven (Matt. 25-32:46). That is the reason belief in Jesus plays a vital part in supporting Israel.   All Christian Jew haters come from liberal Churches because they do not even believe in Jesus in the first place.

  AMEN!!!

[MarZutra]

You make good points Gentilelady....

[Jizzepie]

I was referring to Unitarians. They reject The Holy Trinity.

Unitarians aren't Christians. Neither are Oneness Pentecostals, Ebionites, Docetists, Marcionites, Swedenborgianists, Urantians, Adoptionists, Mormons, Rastafarians or Arians. Besides the vast majority of Unitarian 'churches' are Unitarian Universalists. Very few Unitarian Universalists even believe in G-d , most are atheist or agnostic.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Personally, I don't care what race, sex, religion, or political course other people may have.
The only thing I care about is that they believe in our Jewish mission as outlined in Torah.
I welcome the Jimmy Swaggart Pentecostals equally with our Hindu friends in mutual disdain for the criminal terrorist gang posing as a "religion" known as "Islam".
I do most strongly agree that one can not follow the teachings of Jesus and simultaneously renounce the Jewish People and our Torah.

[RationalThought110]

Yacov, I agree with 100% of what you say.


Did you hear that in October, a speaker was invited to Columbia University to speak about "illegal alien" issue?   Read the following article:  http://www.nysun.com/article/41020

An excerpt from the article:  "The pandemonium that ensued as the evening's keynote speaker took the stage was merely the climax of protest that brewed all week. A number of campus groups, including the Chicano caucus, the African-American student organization, and the International Socialist organization, began planning their protests early this week when they heard that the Minutemen would be arriving on campus."

    I don't understand why any African-American group would support amnesty for illegals, considering how it took years for them to obtain the right to vote. 

Another excerpt:

"The student protesters "rush to vindicate themselves with monikers like ‘liberal' and ‘open-minded,' but their actions, their attempt to condemn the Minutemen without even hearing what they have to say, speak otherwise," the president of the Columbia College Republicans, Chris Kulawik, said. On campus, the Republicans' flyers advertising the event were defaced and torn down."

This quote symbolizes how conservatives tend to think rationally while liberals are ignorant morons. 



Institutes of higher education are hypocrites.  They try to promote a perception of "fair and balanced" in regard to issues but they're mostly one-sided.  Obviously they're one-sided with affirmative action. 

You don't see institutes of higher education ever condemning these protests for their attempts at trying to violate free speech. 

[Daniel]

Shalom all....  The pure purpose for "Same Sex Marriage", this catering to the homos and abortion is both political and social.  I advocate that all JTF Members and anyone reading this go down to your nearest used book store and pick up a copy of Karl Marx's "Communist Manifesto".  This abomination and total sin is being pushed as a "Right to Choose" or a "Freedom of Choice" etc. to the ignorant liberal followers.  In actual fact it is a result of the elite pushing the Marxist agenda onto the benighted as something that they propagate as "good".  This topic directly relates to Marxism in that it furthers many specific pillars/goals Marxism must accomplish to their "ends justifies the means".  You will see that each specific goal as identified by Marx's "Manifesto" have both political and social ends.  The specific socio-political goals of Marxism: Socialism: Communsim as professed in his work are:
1.   Abolition of private property
2.   Abolition of Countries, Nations and States
3.   Dissolving of individuality and culture
4.   Abolition of the Family Unit (advocating public/private communal prostitution (wives))
5.   Abolition of basic freedoms
6.   Abolition of eternal truths
7.   Abolition of religion
8.   Abolition of morality
9.   Continually changing “Justice” to meet the society
10.   Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes
11.   A heavy progressive or graduated income tax
12.   Abolition of right of inheritance
13.   Confiscation of all property of all emigrants and rebels.
14.   Centralized credit in hands of State (Federal Reserve/Central Banking System)
15.   Centralization of communication and transportation in hands of State
16.   Extension of factories and instruments of production in hands of the State.
17.   Cultivation of waste land and re distribution of populations.
18.   Equal liability of all labour.  Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
19.   Gradual abolishment of distinction between town and country.
20.   Free public education for all children in public schools
Now from this list you can see where the advocation of Same Sex Marriage, Homosexuality and Abortion directly relate to sections: 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,12,20 either directly or indirectly.  The basic goal of this Socialistic garbage is to Abolish Family, Morality, Culture, Truths, Freedoms and the Nation State to have a NEW WORLD ORDER by the Prolitariate.  Some works I strongly agree with are: "To Eliminate the Opiate" - Rabbi Marvin Antelman, "The Rainbow Swastika" - Hanah Newman and "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" - Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt.  Kahane was right in his book "Why Be Jew" and "Never Again".....Judaism is not Liberalism, Socialism, Communism etc...  I hope this helped the discussion board and welcome all responses...  Zei gezunt une shtark!  Marzutra

What's wrong with #20? Perhaps since I work in the public school system, I might be a little biased. But what would the alternative be for #20? There's not nearly enough funding and resources to provide the needs for so many of the children in the public school system. Public education may be a very expensive investment,  but not nearly as much as having to pay for their welfare and prisons when they don't get educated. With public education, we at least increase the chances of creating more tax payers than tax takers.

[MarZutra]

Look at Cuba for example.  Is Marxism "education"?  The reason for this is so the Central government can promulgate their "politically correct" Socialist agenda onto the masses for a closed educational system that doesn't teach children how to think but indoctrinates them in "what to think".  Is this an acceptable and logical response?  Hope so...

[Hail Columbia]

Education in Cuba is free until you say something bad about Castro, the government, or the socialist system.  Then, you get kicked out, and you will not be allowed back.

[JTFFan]

Good points. Supporting Israel and Jesus is what most Christians believe. Although, nowadays there are many evil false sects of Christianity like Christian Identity, Anglo-Israelism. Anglo-Israelism (a.k.a. British-Israelism): A theological belief that the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Scandinavian, Germanic and associated cultures are the racial descendents of the tribes of Israel. Thus, by extension, Americans and Canadians, are composed of the descendents of the ancient Israelites of the Hebrew Scriptures (Tanach).
Seems like some Christians like to rewrite and create their own Christianity.

[MarZutra]

The funny thing is that I had a very good discussion with my Rabbi on the specific topic of abortion.  Orthodox Judaism supports "Right to Choose" and not "Right to life".  We had a very strong arguement..albeit from two separate directions.  I placed forward the logic dictated above while he as an Orthodox Rabbi must advocate the right to choose specifically on Talmudic dictats that decree there are 3 times when a woman is able to have an abortion.  We discussed them which ended in the issue that he must choose "right to choose" over "right to life" because if it was passed "right to life"...those areas the Talmud displays as acceptable for abortion would not be allowed to be practiced otherwise. 

He saw my point from a socio-political perspective and I saw his from purely a Talmudic...

[spiritus_persona]

I was referring to Unitarians. They reject The Holy Trinity.

Unitarians aren't Christians. Neither are Oneness Pentecostals, Ebionites, Docetists, Marcionites, Swedenborgianists, Urantians, Adoptionists, Mormons, Rastafarians or Arians. Besides the vast majority of Unitarian 'churches' are Unitarian Universalists. Very few Unitarian Universalists even believe in G-d , most are atheist or agnostic.

Especially Mormons.  Mormonism is more associated with Islam than Christianity.  Let's compare.  Mohammed was deceived by Satan disguised as an angel of light, so was Joseph Smith.  Both doctrines can't drink alcohol, both doctrines do ridiculous stuff; Mormons wear plate underwear, Muslims wear suicide belts; both doctrines let you be a polygamist, both doctrines believe in a false deity, which turns out to be Satan in the end.  Any I miss?

[Wayne Jude]

 All Christian Jew haters come from liberal Churches because they do not even believe in Jesus in the first place. Conservative Christians dont hate Jews,We our not believers in hate at all.Good points Bro
wayne jude

[MassuhDGoodName]

spiritus_persona:  "...Especially Mormons.  Mormonism is more associated with Islam than Christianity.  Let's compare.  Mohammed was deceived by Satan disguised as an angel of light, so was Joseph Smith.  Both doctrines can't drink alcohol, both doctrines do ridiculous stuff; Mormons wear plate underwear, Muslims wear suicide belts; both doctrines let you be a polygamist, both doctrines believe in a false deity, which turns out to be Satan in the end.  Any I miss?..."

Study your own faith as objectively as you see others', and you will come to the identical conclusions you list above.

A believer believes their creed to be the only true faith.

An objective observer of any faith sees only absurd rituals, strange incantations, articles of clothing supposedly imbueing one with "holiness" or "powers", repetitive movements indicating a metaphysical doctrine or understanding, days of the week designated as "sacred" and "holy", cryptic scriptures poorly understood by readers; supposedly telling the future according to a Supreme Being, etc...

Do I make my "point" clear yet?

Almost everyone alive believes in the faith into which they were born and raised...their parents taught them to believe it, all of their uncles and aunts believe it, there are more than enough other followers to convince them to continue in the faith.

There's not one religion which isn't completely absurd when studied by a social scientist or anthropologist.

I can rip Judaism into silly shreds of absurdity equally as much.

Better for the world that people believe in a Supreme Creator Being, because at the opposite end of the spectrum lies "Scientific Socialism", as the Communists are fond of calling it.

Muslims are just as thrilled to cut the throats of Mormons as they are to cut the throats of Jews, Buddhists, & Christians.