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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #150 on: December 08, 2007, 08:55:23 PM »

Furthermore, there is a diffrent between a race (tell me, what's the connection of your 1.5 million anccestor who lived in south africa to the anccestor who lived in west africa?) and people, that are unite. And yet, you haven't prooved any Colonialism.

But Dexter,

The Jews of today are a different race to what was in Judea/Israel BCE. So by your reasoning they have no claim to EY.
A. Jews are not a race ( with supporting Colonialism you read Mein Kampf ?)
B. It have been proofed that Jews origin is of the Meadle east and thet we have huge genetic connection with each other.
Not a foreign land we took and not with foreign possession but a land that belong to our ancestors that was occupied without a trial. And when we had the opportunity, we took our land back.
-Shimon Maccabee's answer to Antiochus VII Sidetes.

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #151 on: December 08, 2007, 08:56:12 PM »
The p@lestinians claim to be canaanites. They were in EY first. So Dexter is part of a colonial occupation according to his reasoning.  

A. The P@lestinians are Arabs.
B. We are canaanites
C. End of story.
D. Try to read what Colonialism is.
Canaanites are extinct. You cannot be a canaanite any more than I am neanderthal.
Arafat always talked about their caaanite roots. Prove him wrong.

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #152 on: December 08, 2007, 08:59:18 PM »

Furthermore, there is a diffrent between a race (tell me, what's the connection of your 1.5 million anccestor who lived in south africa to the anccestor who lived in west africa?) and people, that are unite. And yet, you haven't prooved any Colonialism.

But Dexter,

The Jews of today are a different race to what was in Judea/Israel BCE. So by your reasoning they have no claim to EY.
A. Jews are not a race ( with supporting Colonialism you read Mein Kampf ?)
B. It have been proofed that Jews origin is of the Meadle east and thet we have huge genetic connection with each other.
There is also genetic proof of european ancestry in africa. It's a proven fact that NOBODY denies. Yet you say we have no claim because we are a different race to present day africans.

OK, then by that reasoning ashkenazim and sephardim have no claim on EY because (while they share the Jewish religion) their race is different to ancient Judeans.

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #153 on: December 08, 2007, 09:01:36 PM »
The p@lestinians claim to be canaanites. They were in EY first. So Dexter is part of a colonial occupation according to his reasoning.  

A. The P@lestinians are Arabs.
B. We are canaanites
C. End of story.
D. Try to read what Colonialism is.
Canaanites are extinct. You cannot be a canaanite any more than I am neanderthal.
Arafat always talked about their caaanite roots. Prove him wrong.
Canaanites weren't extinct as the acient Phoenicians didn't, they marged with people thet controlled them (as Jews). Arafat always talked about the P@lestinian caaanite roots, while he was Egypetion. But fine, I will proove him wrong:
The fact is that today's Palestinians are immigrants from the surrounding nations! I grew up well knowing the history and origins of today's Palestinians as being from Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Christians from Greece, Muslim Sherkas from Russia, Muslims from Bosnia, and the Jordanians next door. The civil and tribal wars between Yemmenites (from Yemen) and Kessites (from Banu Kais of Saudi Arabia) ... are well known among Palestinians.
"My grandfather, who was a dignitary in Bethlehem, almost lost his life by Abdul Qader Al-Husseni (the leader of the Palestinian revolution) after being accused of selling land to Jews. He used to tell us that his village Beit Sahur (The Shepherds Fields) in Bethlehem County was empty before his father settled in the area with six other families. The town has now grown to 30,000 inhabitants."

- Walid, a Palestinian Arab defector, talking about the recent immigration of Arabs to Palestine.
quoted from "Answering Islam"


The current PLO and Arab claim (and mainstream media regurgitation of it) is indeed a very distorted version of `recorded history' and can only qualify as pure Orwellian propaganda. In fact, putting aside all the myths and propaganda, the only area that would qualify historically as truly Arab land, is the Arabian desert peninsula. Unfortunately, it seems that Goebbels was correct in stating that if a lie were repeated often enough, it would come to be "perceived" as truth.

No doubt, some Arabs have lived in the area of the Mandate of Palestine for many centuries, but not as many of them as had the Jews. What is more, Jews had lived in Arab lands since times preceding Islam itself. And yet, these Jews in Arab lands were never regarded as citizens of the Arab lands they lived in and were unceremoniously expelled in the years subsequent to Israel's establishment. In other words, residency alone did not confer national rights on those who inhabited an area. Nor did it make a people out of congeries of Arabs and other nationalities that had come to the area of the Mandate of Palestine while the Jewish people were restricted. The nations of the world recognized this after World War I when the League of Nations determined that the geographical area called Palestine was to become a homeland for the Jewish people, the people that had been continuously associated with this land since ancient times when it was known as Judea and Samaria.

During the British Mandate, even well into the 1940s, Arabs were allowed into "Palestine" in huge numbers without visa or passport, especially from the Hauran District of Syria, while the British continued to do everything possible to prevent Jews from entering, even down to the last minute when all attempts were made to deny entry to thousands of Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazis. Only in 1948 were Jewish refugees allowed free entry to their homeland, and that was because Israel had, once again, become an independent nation.

[The Arabs of Ottoman Palestine may have] had certain attachments to the fields they were cultivating but at the same time they were destroying the Land. Parkes stated that "in the wars between villages it was far too common a practice to cut down fruit trees and olives and to destroy crops, and this in the end caused as much loss of life through hunger as was caused by the actual casualties of fighting". He concluded that "in spite of the immense fertility of the soil, it is probable that in the first half of the nineteenth century the population sank to the lowest level it had ever known in historic times".

Palestinian leaders claim that Israel is built on Arab land, when the truth is that eyewitnesses such as Mark Twain and Rev. Manning of England who visited the Holy Land in the last century wrote that the land was barren and empty. The population then was less that 5% of today's population.
In fact Joan Peters in her book "From Time Immemorial" tells us that the return of the Jews in 1800's and early 1900's created jobs and Arabs from impoverished areas were drawn into the Holy Land for work. Peters also tells us that in 1948 so many Arabs were new to the area and could not qualify for the UN requirement for refugee status (people forced to leave "permanent" or "habitual" homes) that they added a clause permitting refugee status for Arabs who had been there as little as two years.

Thus the Zionist slogan "The Land without a people for the people without a land" was absolutely correct. The slogan did not mean that there were no inhabitants at all in Palestine, it just indicated that the non-Jewish population constituted a conglomeration of dozens of heterogeneous groups of residents having very little in common, i.e. not constituting a single nation, a people. These residents were not united by any specific national idea. Parkes wrote that the Balfour declaration for the first time established a "unit called Palestine on a political map. ...There was no such thing historically as a 'Palestinian Arab', and there was no feeling of unity among 'the Arabs' of this newly defined area".
There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.
But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

- Joseph Farah, Arab-American journalist,
editor and CEO of WorldNetDaily


The concept of "Palestinians" is one that did not exist until about 1948, when the Arab inhabitants, of what until then was Palestine, wished to differentiate themselves from the Jews. Until then, the Jews were the Palestinians. There was the Palestinian Brigade of Jewish volunteers in the British World War II Army (at a time when the Palestinian Arabs were in Berlin hatching plans with Adolf Hitler for world conquest and how to kill all the Jews); there was the Palestinian Symphony Orchestra (all Jews, of course); there was The Palestine Post; and so much more.
The Arabs who now call themselves "Palestinians" do so in order to persuade a misinformed world that they are a distinct nationality and that "Palestine" is their ancestral homeland. But they are no distinct nationality at all. They are the same - in language, custom, and tribal and family ties - as the Arabs of Syria, Jordan, and beyond. There is no more difference between the "Palestinians" and the other Arabs of those countries than there is between, say, the citizens of Minnesota and those of Wisconsin.

What's more, many of the "Palestinians", or their immediate ancestors, came to the area attracted by the prosperity created by the Jews, in what previously had been pretty much of a wasteland.

- New York Times, June 12, 2000 (via CFICEJ's ISRAEL REPORT May/June 2000)


Meeting in Cairo in 1964, the Arab League resolved to divert the waters of the Jordan River, which are vital for Israel's existence. At that same conference, there was a public declaration of the intention to destroy Israel, and the PLO was founded.
- Anita Shapira, The New Republic, 29 November, 1999


It is mainly in the past few decades that "Palestinian" has been co-opted by the Arabs, as if the name belongs exclusively to them, pretending to have a long history and independent national identity. Until 1967, most of those who now call themselves Palestinians were reasonably happy with their Jordanian citizenship and with calling themselves "Jordanians" Even today, there is strong support among the "Palestinian" majority of Jordan for their Hashemite monarchy, though King Hussein relies on his Bedouin troops when he needs absolute loyalty.
The use of a term like "Palestinian" without the suffix "Arab" and the term "Israeli-Occupied Palestine" have served to confuse the public into thinking that there has always been an independent "Palestinian" people which hasn't been given the opportunity for self-determination. In fact, any such failure has been the fault of the government of Jordan, which covers the majority of what was once known as "Palestine" and in which the majority of Palestinian Arabs live.


"Palestinians" [are an] Arab people no one heard of before 1967 before Israeli governments certified this piece of propaganda... As has been noted many times before, prior to 1948, that is before Jews had begun to call themselves Israelis, the only persons known as "Palestinians" were Jews, with the Arabs much preferrring to identify themselves as part of the great Arab nation.
- David Basch


The actual word "Palestine" came from the Romans, not the Arabs, and there has never been an independent country or state of Palestine, nor a Palestinian rule. Yet we are led to believe that there are Palestinians and then there are Arabs.

Avi Erlich wrote in his book Ancient Zionism, A Palestinian Arab claim to the Land of Israel cannot rise above a claim to houses, lost from the larger Arab Empire. Neither Moorish homes in Cordoba nor Arab homes in Jerusalem can reasonably constitute lost nations. ...Homeland represents the grafting of a specific place with a specific national idea. No Palestinian idea beyond the claim to land or other lost property has ever been articulated. Borrowed and usurping nationhood does not count.

Palestine has always constituted a single geographical, political and demographic unit with Greater Syria and Egypt. On its soil the civilizations of Mesopotamia and Egypt intermingled. Palestine also witnessed, as a land bridge linking Asia, Africa, and Europe, several movements and waves of conquerors who dominated it for different periods of time and left behind varying degrees of influence.
- By Abdul Jawad Saleh, in Transformation of Palestine, printed in Challenge, February 1995, published on the WWW by the Center for Research and Documentation of Palestinian Society, Bir Zeit University, the West Bank


Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:


"We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds."


"There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, a local Arab leader, to the Peel Commission, 1937


"Palestine was part of the Province of Syria...
...politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity."
- The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted this in a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947


"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."
- Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, to the UN Security Council


The Romans had changed the name of the Land of Israel to "Palestine." But from A.D. 640 until the 1960s, Arabs referred to this same Land as "Southern Syria." Arabs only started calling the Land "Palestine" in the 1960s. Until about the eighteenth century, the Christian world called this same Land, "The Holy Land." Thereafter, they used two names: "The Holy Land" and "Palestine." When the League of Nations in 1922 gave Great Britain the mandate to prepare Palestine as a national home for the Jewish people, the official name of the Land became "Palestine" and remained so until the rebirth of the Israeli State in 1948. During this very period, the leaders of the Arabs in the Land, however, called themselves Southern Syrians and clamored that the Land become a part of a "Greater Syria." This "Arab Nation" would include Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Transjordan as well as Palestine. An observation in TIME magazine well articulated how the Palestinian identity was born so belatedly in the 1960s:

Golda Meir once argued that there was no such thing as a Palestinian; at the time, she wasn't entirely wrong. Before Arafat began his proselytizing, most of the Arabs from the territory of Palestine thought of themselves as members of an all-embracing Arab nation. It was Arafat who made the intellectual leap to a definition of the Palestinians as a distinct people; he articulated the cause, organized for it, fought for it and brought it to the world's attention.

If there was an Arab Palestinian culture, a normal population increase over the centuries would have been expected. But with the exception of a relatively few families, the Arabs had no attachment to the Land. If Arabs from southern Syria drifted into Palestine for economic reasons, within a generation or so the cultural tug of Syria or other Arab lands would pull them back. This factor is why the Arab population average remained low until the influx of Jewish financial investments and Jewish people in the late 1800s made the Land economically attractive. Then sometime between 1850 and 1918, the Arab population shot up to 560,000. Not to absolve the Jews but to defend British policy, the not overfriendly British secretary of state for the colonies, Malcolm MacDonald, declared in the House of Commons (November 24, 1938), "The Arabs cannot say that the Jews are driving them out of the country. If not a single Jew had come to Palestine after 1918, I believe the Arab population of Palestine would still have been around 600,000. . ."

Because Arabs until the 1960s spoke of Palestine as Southern Syria or part of Greater Syria, in 1919 the General Syrian Congress stated, "We ask that there should be no separation of the southern part of Syria, known as Palestine." In 1939 George Antonius noted the Arab view of Palestine in 1918:

Faisal's views about the future of Palestine did not differ from those of his father and were identical with those held then by the great majority of politically-minded Arabs. The representative Arab view was substantially that which King Husain [Grand Sherif of Mecca, the great grandfather of the current King Hussein of Jordan] had expressed to the British Government. . . in January 1918. In the Arab view, Palestine was an Arab territory forming an integral part of Syria.

Referring to the same Arab view of Palestine in 1939, George Antonius spoke of "the whole of the country of that name [Syria] which is now split up into mandated territories..." His lament was that France's mandate over Syria did not include Palestine which was under Britain's mandate.

Syrian President Hafez Assad once told PLO leader Yassir Arafat:

You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian People, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people.

Assad stated on March 8, 1974, "Palestine is a principal part of Southern Syria, and we consider that it is our right and duty to insist that it be a liberated partner of our Arab homeland and of Syria."

In the words of the late military commander of the PLO as well as member of the PLO Executive Council, Zuhair Muhsin:

There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity....yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel.

The following are significant observations by Christians of the Arabs in Palestine in the 1800s:

The Arabs themselves, who are its inhabitants, cannot be considered but temporary residents. They pitched their tents in its grazing fields or built their places of refuge in its ruined cities. They created nothing in it. Since they were strangers to the land, they never became its masters. The desert wind that brought them hither could one day carry them away without their leaving behind them any sign of their passage through it.

Stephen Olin, D.D., L.L.D., called one of the most noted of American theologians after his extensive travels in the Middle East wrote of the Arabs in Palestine "...with slight exceptions they are probably all descendants of the old inhabitants of Syria."

Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank.

...the Arab leadership realized how much more effective they could make their efforts to "throw the Jews into the sea" if they became Palestinians rather than Arabs. By then, the Jews of this country (the only people called Palestinians before the War of Independence) were named Israelis. Even The Palestine Post became The Jerusalem Post. By adopting the name 'Palestinians' the Arabs succeeded in converting the Arab-Israeli conflict from a war of annihilation against the Jewish population to a struggle of dispossessed natives against colonialist invaders. It was a spectacularly effective canard, eventually adopted by Israel's own fiction weavers, the 'new historians.'
- David Bar-Illan, The Jerusalem Post, 'Eye on the Media', November 5, 1999


 

What was the initial reaction of the Arabs of Palestine to this new and separate national identity?

...after the Six-Day War, when Yasser Arafat and Fatah tried to establish their infrastructures in what they referred to as the West Bank they were rejected by the Arabs themselves. Neil Livingstone and David Halevy wrote in Inside the PLO, "The effort, however, turned out to be one of Fatah's greatest failures, not so much because of Israeli efficiency in ferreting out the secret network as because of Palestinian apathy. At that point many Palestinians living in the West Bank were actually relieved to be out from under the oppressive yoke of Jordanian rule and simply wanted to find some kind of accommodation with the Israelis. Within months Arafat was forced to leave the West Bank on the run".
The Arab leaders are well aware of the fragility of the Palestinian identity for the majority of the Palestinian Arabs. This is the main reason why they have not allowed the Palestinian Arabs living in the refugee camps, for almost half a century, to intermingle with Arabs of their countries. Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq al-Hariri confirmed this on February 5, 1998 in an interview with London MBC Television. He said the following; "We do not want to fall into the trap of resettling the Palestinians. This would lead to resettling the Palestinian refugees and their eventual assimilation. The Palestinians themselves have consistently rejected this approach so that their cause and characteristic identity might not be lost".

When Al-Hariri said, "the Palestinians themselves rejected this approach", he missed one important word - leaders. It is the Palestinian leaders who try to prevent the assimilation of the Arabs among the Arabs. It is the Palestinian leaders who today more and more openly declare the Israeli Arabs to be their "property", to be an unquestionable part of the "Palestinian people". If Israel does not confront this dangerous tendency she arrives at an extremely perilous situation. There is a way to deal with this matter. Edward Said wrote that, "Unlike other peoples who suffered from a colonial experience, the Palestinians do not primarily feel that they have been exploited but that they have been excluded, denied the right to have a history of their own". Israel has an excellent chance to mend this problem. As was stated earlier, the non-Jewish inhabitants of Palestine tried to take on several different identities; none of them brought relief or happiness, most likely because all of them were artificial.

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There is also genetic proof of european ancestry in africa. It's a proven fact that NOBODY denies. Yet you say we have no claim because we are a different race to present day africans.

OK, then by that reasoning ashkenazim and sephardim have no claim on EY because (while they share the Jewish religion) their race is different to ancient Judeans.
Newman, would you mind buy a brain ? (just kidding)
I already expleind that there is a diffrent between race, a biological term, and people, a social term. And, there is no Jewish race + Jews are simetes.
 

Not a foreign land we took and not with foreign possession but a land that belong to our ancestors that was occupied without a trial. And when we had the opportunity, we took our land back.
-Shimon Maccabee's answer to Antiochus VII Sidetes.

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #154 on: December 08, 2007, 09:06:32 PM »
Dexter,

Neanderthals merged and bread with homosapiens but it is foolishness for anybody to claim they are neanderthal. Neanderthals are GONE.

As no canaanite religion, language or culture exists ANYWHERE today, there are NO canaanites. Canaanites are GONE, dust, a footnote in history. Show me ONE canaanite in EY practicing his religion or speaking his original language.

All you've printed is oppinion. Not proof.

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #155 on: December 08, 2007, 09:09:36 PM »
It's not the race what matters, but ethnicity instead. Jews are not a race. And their genetic has not changed over 3000 years anyway, so even if they were race, it's exaclty the same race of Ancient Israelites.

Regarding colonialism, what if Europeans had sought the advice of Ravs about how to civilise America and Africa!!! Surely the Ravs would have asvised to teach Noahidism to them and not to steal from them. Today America and Africa would be Noahides!!! And Natives would have prserved their culture and language. Both Europeans and Natives would have changed from their mistakes, and now they would coexist in peace!!!!

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #156 on: December 08, 2007, 09:10:43 PM »
Dexter,

Neanderthals merged and bread with homosapiens but it is foolishness for anybody to claim they are neanderthal. Neanderthals are GONE.

As no canaanite religion, language or culture exists ANYWHERE today, there are NO canaanites. Canaanites are GONE, dust, a footnote in history. Show me ONE canaanite in EY practicing his religion or speaking his original language.

All you've printed is oppinion. Not proof.
Neanderthals were destroyed as a race  29,000 years ago :P

Of course there is no canaanite religion, language (what about Hebrew?) or culture exists ANYWHERE today, and thet's because the canaanites marged with the Judeans and converted to Judaism or forcibly converted to Judaism.
canaanites are not one people but a gather of people who live in EY, Jews are one of them and that's why Jews are canaanites  :)

And what I printed is facts, means, all the "P@alestinians" are Arabs and Arabs are not canaanites.
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Not a foreign land we took and not with foreign possession but a land that belong to our ancestors that was occupied without a trial. And when we had the opportunity, we took our land back.
-Shimon Maccabee's answer to Antiochus VII Sidetes.

"When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one... When you gaze into the abyss, it also gazes into you."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #157 on: December 08, 2007, 09:15:59 PM »
Dexter,

Neanderthals merged and bread with homosapiens but it is foolishness for anybody to claim they are neanderthal. Neanderthals are GONE.

As no canaanite religion, language or culture exists ANYWHERE today, there are NO canaanites. Canaanites are GONE, dust, a footnote in history. Show me ONE canaanite in EY practicing his religion or speaking his original language.

All you've printed is oppinion. Not proof.
Neanderthals were destroyed as a race  29,000 years ago :P

Wrong! They have discovered neanderthal genes in modern europeans proving that they mixed with homosapiens. Many did die out in the ice age, just as many canaanites were killed by Joshua but there is still a merging. The point is you CANNOT call yourself a canaanite as every trace of their existance has been dissolved.

Of course there is no canaanite religion, language (what about Hebrew?) or culture exists ANYWHERE today, and thet's because the canaanites marged with the Judeans and converted to Judaism or forcibly converted to Judaism.

And what I printed is facts, means, all the "P@alestinians" are Arabs and Arabs are not canaanites.
Prove that they're facts.

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #158 on: December 08, 2007, 09:26:03 PM »
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Wrong! They have discovered neanderthal genes in modern europeans proving that they mixed with homosapiens. Many did die out in the ice age, just as many canaanites were killed by Joshua but there is still a merging. The point is you CANNOT call yourself a canaanite as every trace of their existance has been dissolved.
Mitochondrial DNA extracted from ancient Neanderthal remains have been typed and found to differ significantly from human mitochondrial DNA. While the results do not indicate a common ancestry, a team of scientists in Germany have recovered and sequenced Y-chromosome DNA from a 49,000 year-old Neanderthal.  The team estimates that H. sapiens sapiens and H. neanderthalensis may have shared a common ancestor in the Homo genus several hundred thousand years ago. 

Again, many people lived in Canaan, and every people who lived there is canaanite because Cana'an is a region as P@lestine is. As there is no Canaanite people but in plural there is no P@lestinian people but in plural. 

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Prove that they're facts.

What will be the right proofe for you ?
Not a foreign land we took and not with foreign possession but a land that belong to our ancestors that was occupied without a trial. And when we had the opportunity, we took our land back.
-Shimon Maccabee's answer to Antiochus VII Sidetes.

"When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one... When you gaze into the abyss, it also gazes into you."
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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #159 on: December 08, 2007, 09:37:09 PM »
Wrong again!

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Neanderthals may have given the modern humans who replaced them a priceless gift -- a gene that helped them develop superior brains, U.S. researchers reported Tuesday.

And the only way they could have provided that gift would have been by interbreeding, the team at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute and the University of Chicago said.

Their study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, provides indirect evidence that modern Homo sapiens and so-called Neanderthals interbred at some point when they lived side by side in Europe.

"Finding evidence of mixing is not all that surprising. But our study demonstrates the possibility that interbreeding contributed advantageous variants into the human gene pool that subsequently spread," said Bruce Lahn, a Howard Hughes Medical Institute researcher at the University of Chicago who led the study.

Scientists have been debating whether Neanderthals, who died out about 35,000 years ago, ever bred with modern Homo sapiens. Neanderthals are considered more primitive, with robust bones but a smaller intellect than modern humans.

Lahn's team found a brain gene that appears to have entered the human lineage about 1.1 million years ago, and that has a modern form, or allele, that appeared about 37,000 years ago -- right before Neanderthals became extinct.

"The gene microcephalin (MCPH1) regulates brain size during development and has experienced positive selection in the lineage leading to Homo sapiens," the researchers wrote.

Positive selection means the gene conferred some sort of advantage, so that people who had it were more likely to have descendants than people who did not. Lahn's team estimated that 70 percent of all living humans have this type D variant of the gene.

"By no means do these findings constitute definitive proof that a Neanderthal was the source of the original copy of the D allele. However, our evidence shows that it is one of the best candidates," Lahn said.

The researchers reached their conclusions by doing a statistical analysis of the DNA sequence of microcephalin, which is known to play a role in regulating brain size in humans. Mutations in the human gene cause development of a much smaller brain, a condition called microcephaly.

By tracking smaller, more regular mutations, the researchers could look at DNA's "genetic clock" and date the original genetic variant to 37,000 years ago.

They noted that this D allele is very common in Europe, where Neanderthals lived, and more rare in Africa, where they did not. Lahn said it is not yet clear what advantage the D allele gives the human brain.

"The D alleles may not even change brain size; they may only make the brain a bit more efficient if it indeed affects brain function," Lahn said.

Now his team is looking for evidence of Neanderthal origin for other human genes.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science...eut/index.html



So again. Just because there was some mergence 300+ years ago you are not canaanite.

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Again, many people lived in Canaan, and every people who lived there is canaanite because Cana'an is a region as P@lestine is. As there is no Canaanite people but in plural there is no P@lestinian people but in plural.

By that stupid reasoning, you're also a p@lestinian and I'm an aborigine AND a dutchmanbecause this country was once called gondwanaland and then New Holland.   :::D :::D

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #160 on: December 08, 2007, 09:51:51 PM »
Boer is right about our claims to africa. If all life started in africa, europeans DID have a million year claim.

Also, Brits are a keltic/norman people. Both the kelts and normans originated in the Indian sub continent. So they have a right to India, too.
All Europeans origin is of the Caucasus. They came Europe at 3000 B.C.E


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Anyway  what we can say  very briefly is that almost  all of European people, except the Basque in Spain , the Magyar in Hungary and the Finns in Finland, speak languages of the same origin and then come from  the same place, i.e. a vast area extending across Iran and Afghanistan to the northern half of the Indian subcontinent, in short  a geographic  area close to the Aral Sea, in Central Asia, from where they have spread by colonization throughout the Western World, that is to say Europe and later America after the Discovery of America by Christopher Columbus (Cristoforo Colombo) in 1492.

In fact originally a group of nomadic tribes, the Aryans also known as the Indo-Europeans according to the name given later by scholars, were part of a great  migratory movement that spread in successive waves from Central Asia during the 2d millennium BC  and penetrated India, Iran and finally  Europe throughout Mesopotamia and Asia   Minor.

The Indo-European languages have the same  characteristics  with respect to vocabulary and grammar so that many scholars have postulated that they are all descended from an original parent language, called Proto-Indo-European.

One theory of the origin of the individual Indo-European languages suggests that,  as the ancient speakers of Proto-Indo-European migrated or moved away from each other, losing contact, their language broke up into a number of tongues.
These tongues later also split up still further, eventually giving rise to the many modern Indo-European languages that are:
-ROMANCE GROUP[ Latin and then Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian]
-GERMANIC GROUP [German,  English, Celtic, Danish, Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish]
-GREEK GROUP[Ancient and Modern Greek]
-SLAVIC GROUP[Russian, Polish, Bulgarian, Serbo-Croatian, Slovenian, Czech]
-ILLYRIAN GROUP[Albanian].

http://en.allexperts.com/q/European-History-670/origin-europeans.htm



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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #161 on: December 08, 2007, 10:10:54 PM »
ok, so keeping in mind Dexter's claim that the Israelites merged with the Canaanites.

Muslims, being an ofshoot of Judaism, therfore have claim to EY! Even more so, Christianity. The first Christians were Jews, and therefore, seeing that Jews have claim to EY, Christians of today, just as much as Jews today, have claim to EY-as both their ancestors have claim.

So therefore, EY belongs to Palestine, get out colonisers!

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #162 on: December 08, 2007, 10:13:58 PM »
Also, to keep you happy Dexter, let's just assume 200million savages were killed by European Christian colonialism.

Now, let's look at Judaism. Consisting of only a population of only 15 million, the Jews managed to kill 200 million people(Karl Marx, Communism etc).

It goes both ways Dexter
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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #163 on: December 08, 2007, 10:41:07 PM »
ok, so keeping in mind Dexter's claim that the Israelites merged with the Canaanites.

Muslims, being an ofshoot of Judaism, therfore have claim to EY! Even more so, Christianity. The first Christians were Jews, and therefore, seeing that Jews have claim to EY, Christians of today, just as much as Jews today, have claim to EY-as both their ancestors have claim.

So therefore, EY belongs to Eretz Yisrael, get out colonisers!
Mislims and Chrstians copied some aspects of Judaism and distorted it. They never converted to Judaism, and so have no right. I can also invent a cult based on Shinto, but it will never give me a right on Japan!!!!!!

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #164 on: December 08, 2007, 10:47:26 PM »
ok, so keeping in mind Dexter's claim that the Israelites merged with the Canaanites.

Muslims, being an ofshoot of Judaism, therfore have claim to EY! Even more so, Christianity. The first Christians were Jews, and therefore, seeing that Jews have claim to EY, Christians of today, just as much as Jews today, have claim to EY-as both their ancestors have claim.

So therefore, EY belongs to Eretz Yisrael, get out colonisers!
Mislims and Chrstians copied some aspects of Judaism and distorted it. They never converted to Judaism, and so have no right. I can also invent a cult based on Shinto, but it will never give me a right on Japan!!!!!!
No. We included ALL of the OT. Christianity has the seed of Judaism, and therefore can have a claim on EY. Besides, the ancestors of Jews, are the same ancestors of Christianity-therefore, if Jews can make use of their ancestry, then Christianity is entitled to it as well.

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #165 on: December 08, 2007, 10:59:25 PM »

Now, let's look at Judaism. Consisting of only a population of only 15 million, the Jews managed to kill 200 million people(Karl Marx, Communism etc).



Excuse me? You are a Nazi if you believe that.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

Please visit: (The Greatest lectures on Earth).
http://torahanytime.com/
http://www.torahanytime.com/Rabbi/Yossi_Mizrachi/
http://www.torahanytime.com/Rabbi/Zecharia_Wallerstein/

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #166 on: December 08, 2007, 11:02:27 PM »
In truth only the Jews have the most legitimate claim to a land. G-d told the Jews (publicly) the Torah, and in that Torah has said that the portion of Israel belongs to them, while all the other nations in truth rob and kill each other for land and resources and at the same time calling the Jews thieves.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

Please visit: (The Greatest lectures on Earth).
http://torahanytime.com/
http://www.torahanytime.com/Rabbi/Yossi_Mizrachi/
http://www.torahanytime.com/Rabbi/Zecharia_Wallerstein/

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #167 on: December 08, 2007, 11:05:35 PM »

Now, let's look at Judaism. Consisting of only a population of only 15 million, the Jews managed to kill 200 million people(Karl Marx, Communism etc).



Excuse me? You are a Nazi if you believe that.
He doesn't believe it.

We're just playing devil's advocate to highlight the stupidity of Dexter's arguments.

DISCLAIMER:

The last few posts of myself AND Boergeneral are NOT our beliefs. Far from it. We are simply transposing Dexter's logic onto the anti-Israel argument to highlight it's silliness.

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #168 on: December 08, 2007, 11:08:34 PM »
well it has to be stated right away as such. Anyway to say JUDAISM is responsible for things like communism, etc. is completely misguiding. Karl Marx wasn't even brought up with the minimum of a Jewish education. In-fact I believe his parents were self haters and converted to Christianity (which makes them all Karet, and not having a connection to Judaism and Jews).
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

Please visit: (The Greatest lectures on Earth).
http://torahanytime.com/
http://www.torahanytime.com/Rabbi/Yossi_Mizrachi/
http://www.torahanytime.com/Rabbi/Zecharia_Wallerstein/

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #169 on: December 08, 2007, 11:11:59 PM »
well it has to be stated right away as such. Anyway to say JUDAISM is responsible for things like communism, etc. is completely misguiding. Karl Marx wasn't even brought up with the minimum of a Jewish education. In-fact I believe his parents were self haters and converted to Christianity (which makes them all Karet, and not having a connection to Judaism and Jews).
You're right.

And I say again..........

DISCLAIMER:

The last few posts of myself AND Boergeneral are NOT our beliefs. Far from it. We are simply transposing Dexter's logic onto the anti-Israel argument to highlight it's silliness.


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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #170 on: December 08, 2007, 11:13:02 PM »
Hi TZVI

Ofcourse NOT! I am simply stating to Dexter, that if he can claim that European conolisation killed 200 million people, and by him saying that "evil europeans", then the it can be said that Karl Marx, whom ws Jewish-whom's evil ideas contributed to the deats of millions, can be deposited to Judaism.

I am NOT the thinker of these ideas, however, it goes to prove a point.

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #171 on: December 08, 2007, 11:15:02 PM »

Now, let's look at Judaism. Consisting of only a population of only 15 million, the Jews managed to kill 200 million people(Karl Marx, Communism etc).



Excuse me? You are a Nazi if you believe that.
He doesn't believe it.

We're just playing devil's advocate to highlight the stupidity of Dexter's arguments.

DISCLAIMER:

The last few posts of myself AND Boergeneral are NOT our beliefs. Far from it. We are simply transposing Dexter's logic onto the anti-Israel argument to highlight it's silliness.
Yes, what Newman said.
Devil's Advocate  :D

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #172 on: December 08, 2007, 11:32:05 PM »
ok, so keeping in mind Dexter's claim that the Israelites merged with the Canaanites.

Muslims, being an ofshoot of Judaism, therfore have claim to EY! Even more so, Christianity. The first Christians were Jews, and therefore, seeing that Jews have claim to EY, Christians of today, just as much as Jews today, have claim to EY-as both their ancestors have claim.

So therefore, EY belongs to Eretz Yisrael, get out colonisers!
Mislims and Chrstians copied some aspects of Judaism and distorted it. They never converted to Judaism, and so have no right. I can also invent a cult based on Shinto, but it will never give me a right on Japan!!!!!!
No. We included ALL of the OT. Christianity has the seed of Judaism, and therefore can have a claim on EY. Besides, the ancestors of Jews, are the same ancestors of Christianity-therefore, if Jews can make use of their ancestry, then Christianity is entitled to it as well.

Very wrong. I can creat a cult and include the whole Hindu scriptures in my cult. Even some Hindus can be my leaders, but I have no right to India. By your logic, anyone who owns a copy of the Tanach (It's not Tanach), has a right on Israel. Silly point! Christians and Muslims NEVER coverted to Judaism, they haven't underwent even a Reform "conversion"!!! I also have a Koran translation, I don't believe in the whole of it, but I believe some verses about the Unicity of G-d are right. So, I can claim soveregnty on Arabia!!!!!!

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Re: Idiots who equate colonisation with nazism.
« Reply #173 on: December 08, 2007, 11:38:27 PM »
ok, so keeping in mind Dexter's claim that the Israelites merged with the Canaanites.

Muslims, being an ofshoot of Judaism, therfore have claim to EY! Even more so, Christianity. The first Christians were Jews, and therefore, seeing that Jews have claim to EY, Christians of today, just as much as Jews today, have claim to EY-as both their ancestors have claim.

So therefore, EY belongs to Eretz Yisrael, get out colonisers!
Mislims and Chrstians copied some aspects of Judaism and distorted it. They never converted to Judaism, and so have no right. I can also invent a cult based on Shinto, but it will never give me a right on Japan!!!!!!
No. We included ALL of the OT. Christianity has the seed of Judaism, and therefore can have a claim on EY. Besides, the ancestors of Jews, are the same ancestors of Christianity-therefore, if Jews can make use of their ancestry, then Christianity is entitled to it as well.

Very wrong. I can creat a cult and include the whole Hindu scriptures in my cult. Even some Hindus can be my leaders, but I have no right to India. By your logic, anyone who owns a copy of the Tanach (It's not Tanach), has a right on Israel. Silly point! Christians and Muslims NEVER coverted to Judaism, they haven't underwent even a Reform "conversion"!!! I also have a Koran translation, I don't believe in the whole of it, but I believe some verses about the Unicity of G-d are right. So, I can claim soveregnty on Arabia!!!!!!

no, but Jews converted to Christianity! Im not talking about papers here. Im talking about flesh. People whom carried the Jewish Claim in their blood, and once converted, STILL held those claims. The fact that Jesus was himself Jewish, could be seen as arguably transfering those rights unto Christians.


I know, it's upsard, but that's why im using this example, because it goes with the same mentality Dexter is using.

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« Reply #174 on: December 08, 2007, 11:45:34 PM »
Jesus had no children and do no descendants. And Jews who converted to Christianity are still Jewish as long they can prove a direct matrilineal descent. But natives in Ancient Israel had a law that says any hereric Jew is punished, so if they can prove a matrilineal descent and wish to be judged by a Sanhedrin in Israel, they'd be very wellcome. Remember that Christianity and some other religions are allowed to Goyim, but not for Jews!!!