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DALMACIJA:

--- Quote from: Husar on December 31, 2007, 06:47:08 AM ---You'd bet it's in Sweden, in Norway, or in Denmark...
NO: it's in turkish occupied (once) Central Serbia.

 :)

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We Serbs from Krajina, Hercegovina, Bosnia and from Montenegro were not occupied by the Turks.

But we have approximately more dark hared and dark eyed people than central Serbia.

Ambiorix:

--- Quote from: DALMACIJA on December 31, 2007, 07:25:50 AM ---
--- Quote from: Husar on December 31, 2007, 06:47:08 AM ---You'd bet it's in Sweden, in Norway, or in Denmark...
NO: it's in turkish occupied (once) Central Serbia.

 :)

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We Serbs from Krajina, Hercegovina, Bosnia and from Montenegro were not occupied by the Turks.

But we have approximately more dark hared and dark eyed people than central Serbia.


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That story proves Turks were blond people before they intermarried with Serbs :::D

Husar:

--- Quote from: Skippy on December 31, 2007, 06:30:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: Husar on December 30, 2007, 08:12:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: Skippy on December 30, 2007, 06:58:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Serbian Cetnik (šumadinac) on December 30, 2007, 10:29:27 AM ---Skippy sorry if I hurt your pride, but hey thats what happens. I mean we have turkish words in the Serbian vocabulary, we eat turkish food and we even have music thats influenced by turkish music... THe only difference is that Romans liked the Greeks, But we were occupied.

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It amazes me where you would put the Estrucians  in your theory?

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Etruscans are very interesting to us, Serbs.

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In what way Husar?

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Dear Skippy,
first of all, the Etruscans
called themselves RASENI.

And JUST this is quite
(in fact very) important for us, Serbs,
you'll see with your own eyes why, in which way,
and I'm glad to show you this, Sister...

From somewhere, in the google,
I just typed etruschi raseni:

Opere - Résultats Google Recherche de Livres de Vincenzo Gioberti - 1844
Quei mirabili Etruschi o Raseni, cui Dionigi fa navigare dall' Asia minore, e alcuni moderni traggono dalle Alpi e dalla Rezia, si mescolarono certo nei due ...
books.google.com/books?id=rvANAAAAYAAJ...

And:

"ESPRESSO".
Il Giornale Italiano di Mosca
E anche se per i nostri antenati, fossero essi etruschi, assiri od egizi, ...
I greci li chiamavano “tirreni”, mentre loro stessi si definivano “raseni”. ...

From:
http://www.espressoweb.ru/it/04-05/c3-85i.html

Where it is also said (for how many times, in History ?!!!...):
"La civiltа misteriosa, esistita dal IX al I secolo a.C., svela malvolentieri i suoi misteri, riscaldando in tal modo l’interesse a quelle poche cose che ne sono rimaste. Nel 1990 il museo in via Volkhonka aveva giа ospitato una mostra di antichitа etrusche."

 ???

Yes: supposed to be the Ancestors
of the modern Italians, even of Romans,
the Etruscans are "MISTERIOSI"
to "their -own- descendants"...

 ???

Another time:
"I Greci li chiamavano TIRRENI, i Romani li chiamavano TUSCI,
loro pare si chiamassero RASENI.
Oggi li conosciamo come ETRUSCHI abitanti della regioneEtruria."

From:
http://www.rcvr.org/cultura/sda/star06.htm

Or this:
ASSOCIAZIONE CULTURALE NTERNET PADANO
Da alcuni secoli vi stavano, quando i Raseni o Etruschi,
venuti per l'Alpi Rezie, li spossessarono della terra e dei secento loro villaggi. ...
www.padaniacity.org/articoli.asp?ID=516 - 60k - En cache - Pages similaires

This:
Libro - IBS - Un infinito numero. Virgilio e Mecenate nel paese ...
Non ci sarà futuro per i Rasna o Raseni o Etruschi.
I culti dell'antica dodecapoli sono ormai vano folklore, la prodigiosa tecnica degli orafi è perduta, ...
www.internetbookshop.it/code/9788806147457/vassalli-sebastiano/infinito-numero-virgilio.html - 49k - En cache - Pages similaires

And this also:
Scuola Italica (frammenti) -
Giovanni Ranella BREVE ACCENNO ALLE ANTICHITA’ TIRRENICHE :
il popolo dei Raseni- Tirreni o Etruschi
Tages: figura mitica della Tradizione Etrusca, l’illustre Semerano, ...
www.equilibriarte.org/mercuriale/blog - 39k - En cache - Pages similaires

 :)

Now, after these few examples,
but much more exist, either on the net, or in books,
why is this RASENI Name so important to us, Serbs ?

Well, Skippy, we Serbs called ourselves RAShANI / were called by others: RASCIANS,
from Rashka/Rascia, Name of the Serbian State in the Middle-Ages.

See this, in Italian:

Rascia
Da Wikipedia, l'enciclopedia libera.
Vai a: Navigazione, cerca
 Questa voce di storia è solo un abbozzo: contribuisci a migliorarla secondo le convenzioni di Wikipedia.
La Raška (scritto anche come Raschka, Rascia, Rassa) fu lo stato serbo più importante e ricco durante il Medioevo il quale riunì le tribù serbe, presenti allora in quella che oggi è la Serbia, con i Balcani.

L'attuale Rascia corrisponde all'area centro-meridionale della Serbia, in particolare il distretto di Raška. La Rascia è anche chiamata Sandžak dai serbi musulmani.

From:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rascia


See Raska, so close to Italy:



 :)

Here, look at Rascia (Serbia), CONTAING Raguse, today's Dubrovnik,
a then Serbo-Italian town, now stolen by NAZICROATS, who never were there before:



 :)

Have at look at Rascians (Serbians) here also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raci

...with a map of "Ratzen-Stadt" in german, the "City of the Rascians" (Serbians),
nowadays known under the name "Novi Sad" (New Seed...of Serbs):



Serbs kept the Memory of their former Name RAShANI,
wherever they settled in the Balkanic Peninsula.

 ;)

Here is a medieval-reconstruction Serbian WebSite called RASCIA.ORG:
http://www.rascia.org/galerija/4/
http://www.rascia.org/galerija/3/
http://www.rascia.org/clanovi/

How would RASENI call THEIR Country ?
"Italia" ?
"Rome" ?
Or as the Serbian RAShANI having RAShKA, RASCIA,
would they call it RASCA, RASCIA ?

 8;)

Even thought the Romans wanted to exterminate the RASENI,
the RASENI succeeded to survive, by melting themselves,
forcibly or not, to the roman element.

Their Blood is in Italian Blood now.

 8;)

This was the first interesting thing about the RASENI,
in the eyes, soul and heart of a RAShAN(-I when plural, in Serbian, like in Italian).

 ;)

PUT THIS:

Alpin-Tour Gebietszugang via:
Capanna del Forno, Capanna Allievi
Zustiege:
Capanna del Forno (2574m.ü.M.) vom Passo del Maloja (4h):
Passo del Maloja - Orden - Lägh da Cavloc - Alp da Cavloc - Plan Cavin - P.1992 - Vad del Forno - Capanna del Forno
Capanna del Forno (2574m.ü.M.) von Chiareggio (4.5h):
Chiareggio - Alp dellOro - Alp Monterosso Inf. - Val Bona - Sella del Forno - Capanna del Forno
Capanna Allievi (2387m.ü.M.) von San Martino, Parkplatz Ca die Rogni (4h):
Ca die Rogni - Rifugio Fiorilli - Valle di Mello - Casera Zocca - Il Pianone - Capanna Allievi
Gipfel:
Punta Rascia (3306m.ü.M.) über den SE-Grat (5h; IV):
Capanna del Forno - P.2380 - P.2500 - P.2595 - Colle Rascia - Punta Rascia

Punta Rascia (3306m.ü.M.) über die W-Flanke (5h; II - IV):
Capanna Allievi - P.2600 - Firnrücken - Punta Rascia
From:
http://www.gps-tracks.com/gps-alpin-tour-b%C3%BCndner-alpen-punta-rascia-(3306m.%C3%B.C.E..m.)-H00469.html

....in correlation to THIS,
that I already dispayed up above:

ASSOCIAZIONE CULTURALE NTERNET PADANO
Da alcuni secoli vi stavano, quando i Raseni o Etruschi,
venuti per l'Alpi Rezie, li spossessarono della terra e dei secento loro villaggi. ...
www.padaniacity.org/articoli.asp?ID=516 - 60k - En cache - Pages similaires

...and to THIS,
already displayed also:

Opere - Résultats Google Recherche de Livres de Vincenzo Gioberti - 1844
Quei mirabili Etruschi o Raseni, cui Dionigi fa navigare dall' Asia minore, e alcuni moderni traggono dalle Alpi e dalla Rezia, si mescolarono certo nei due ...
books.google.com/books?id=rvANAAAAYAAJ...

 8;)

(Punta, Alpian) Rascia...Raseni (o Etruschi)
...said by Italians themselves.

 8;)

And I can say to you, Skippy,
that there's NOTHING bad in having Rascian Blood
in your veins, on the contrary.

 ;)

Isn't this all interesting ?...

 :) :) :)

Husar:
Look also at my own signature,
from almost my first day of registering to our Forum:

"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
--


CcCc

 :)

RAShANI, RAC, RACZ, RASSA, RASCIA, RAShKA...in every form...

 ;)

DALMACIJA:

--- Quote from: Ambiorix on December 31, 2007, 07:49:17 AM ---
--- Quote from: DALMACIJA on December 31, 2007, 07:25:50 AM ---
--- Quote from: Husar on December 31, 2007, 06:47:08 AM ---You'd bet it's in Sweden, in Norway, or in Denmark...
NO: it's in turkish occupied (once) Central Serbia.

 :)

--- End quote ---

We Serbs from Krajina, Hercegovina, Bosnia and from Montenegro were not occupied by the Turks.




But we have approximately more dark hared and dark eyed people than central Serbia.


--- End quote ---

That story proves Turks were blond people before they intermarried with Serbs :::D

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Well, some people claim that the Serbs from central Serbia are more dark eyed and dark haired than the Serbs accros the river Drina. That's not true Serbs from those lands who weren't occupied by the Turks are also in general more dark haired and dark eyed.

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