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« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2007, 08:05:57 AM »
But guys you have to admit it japan having one of the smallest population in the world is the 2nd richest country in the world they are leaders in world technology and they are also great warriorsNow they are with us and europe against china and russia who are supporting iran
I believe I am right in saying that their prime minister recently visited out of respect a shrine built in memory of the Japanese soldiers who were executed as war criminals when Japan surrendered  after WWII. We cannot whitewash them completely, and yet, I don't see anything wrong with enjoying their cartoons.

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« Reply #51 on: December 23, 2007, 08:59:18 AM »
But guys you have to admit it japan having one of the smallest population in the world is the 2nd richest country in the world they are leaders in world technology and they are also great warriorsNow they are with us and europe against china and russia who are supporting iran
They are like a fat old lap dog feasting off the good graces of America. Any technology they have they built on from the great education they got from American big business. People forget that they are a two faced people (sneaky). While they had their ambassadors negotiating in Washington their Navy was steaming towards Pearl Harbor for a sneak attack. They can thank the good old U.S.A for what they are today. After WW2 America did for the Japanese the same thing America is now doing in China making a monster. Instead of letting them starve to death after the war they used them for a source of cheap labor in order to get there economy going and in the process made them into what they are today. In China the United States has created a monster that is more blood sucking to the host than Japan ever was. I grew up here in America in a time that America had the finest products in the world if it was not made here it did not exist. It always cost more to buy the American product but it was worth the extra money. In most cases you got a product that lasted for more years than you wanted to see it around. American corporations sold their soul for cheap labor and that is a sin that came back to haunt them. People got use to buying cheap garbage that lasted a year or two. In time the Jap products got better and many older companies here in America could no longer compete with the cheap labor factor. American companies had to reduce the quality of products to compete. When many people look at Japans great economy what they fail to realize is that there are a lot of old American companies that are behind that money. Much of the great ideas that people think are of Japanese origin were designed right here in the good old USA. The work was done in Japan in the 60's, 70's and 80's because of the cheap labor. Today Japan is much like the USA it is being sucked dry due to cheap labor in China and other emerging countries. Its good to see them fall into the same situation they took such glee over when they were bashing the American economy around some years back. The cartoons that in question here show clearly that Japan has not changed in the least. Grove Of The Fire Flies, Zipang, The Cockpit? I can see why some of this stuff is unavailable to the US market. This stuff is clearly designed to convince the gullible and lull the suspicious. Here is a cartoon dealing with the Japanese I can embrace ;).



I had thought most of the World War II stuff would have been propaganda but it really wasn't. I thought some of it was interesting

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The Cockpit

The Cockpit: Kamikaze Stories
Written by Leiji Matsumoto
Produced by Tatsumi Yamashita, Toshio Hagiwara, and Haruo Noguchi
Directed by Yoshiaki Kawajiri (Episode #1), Takashi Imanishi (#2), and Ryosuke Takahashi (#3)
Urban Vision, 1993, 90 min., Video

The three short episodes in this animation video contain a strong anti-war message. The heroes in the episodes exhibit courage and honor as they strive to accomplish what they perceive to be their duty. Although each story shows battles near the end of the World War II, the settings, style, and characters vary greatly. The title of The Cockpit: Kamikaze Stories is a misnomer, since only the second episode involves Japanese kamikaze pilots, and the other two episodes do not even involve suicide attacks. Also, the last episode does not have a cockpit, since it tells the story of two soldiers on a motorcycle with sidecar. This video deals with war, but it focuses on the human perspective rather than the machines used for fighting. However, the video also contains realistic animation of the planes and motorcycles used in combat scenes.

Three different directors created the video's episodes based on manga (Japanese comic) stories written by Leiji Matsumoto. The original Japanese version of this video came out in 1993, and the dubbed English version reviewed on this page was released in 1999. Each episode lasts less than 25 minutes, and the video contains short interviews with each director after his episode.

The first episode, "Stratospheric Currents," tells the story of a German pilot who gets branded a coward for surviving a fierce battle with British planes despite his previous exemplary record. Notwithstanding the incident, he gets selected to escort a plane carrying the world's first atomic bomb, which has been developed by a German scientist with whose daughter the pilot previously had a love interest. The fighter pilot lets a British plane get through to destroy the transport plane with the bomb, and the scientist, and his daughter also perish in the attack. Although he will carry the burden of disgrace for the rest of his life because he did not protect the transport plane, he believes he chose the right course of action since he prevented mass murder by the bomb.

The second episode, "Sonic Thunder Attack Team," gives the story of a young pilot of an ohka, a "human bomb" launched from underneath a mother plane and powered by rocket engines. On August 5, 1945, this ohka pilot named Nogami survives by parachuting out of his plane when attacked by American fighters. Although ashamed to be saved since so many of his comrades perished, he gets another chance to make an attack on the next day. When the plane carrying his ohka gets attacked and catches fire, a Japanese plane makes a suicide crash into the American fighter ready to shoot down his mother plane and ohka. Nogami's ohka gets launched, and he crashes it into an American aircraft carrier. The carrier captain receives news of the atomic bomb being dropped on Hiroshima just before his ship explodes.

   
Ohka Attached
Under Mother Plane
   
 
Nogami's squadron leader and comrades make several direct comments about the ohka suicide attack. A couple of men in his squadron give their opinions, "We're carrying someone with us who's doomed to die. It's horrible." "Whoever came up with the idea of committing suicide in the ohka has got to be crazier than we are." The squadron leader explains, "Any of us could die in this war. It's whether or not we die with honor that matters. That's why they came up with the idea of the human bomb in the first place" [1]. Nogami says he can accept that he has to sacrifice so the rest can live. Although the characters make several comments on the morality of the ohka, the viewer does not get a chance to understand why Nogami has such motivation to ride the ohka to death.

In the same way the first episode mentions Germany producing the world's first atomic bomb, this episode also has several inaccuracies. The last attempted ohka attack occurred on June 22, 1945, not on August 6 (Hagoromo Society 1973, 97). An ohka never hit an American aircraft carrier during the war, but ohka weapons did sink a battleship and damage eight other ships (O'Neill 1999, 160). An ohka pilot who went down in the sea near Okinawa would never have been able to make another sortie the next day, since the Japanese mother planes with ohka missiles did not depart from Okinawa but rather from Kyushu, the southernmost main island of Japan.

The third episode, "Steel Dragoon," shows two Japanese Army soldiers get shot down as the younger one tries to complete his promise to bring back reinforcements to his comrades, even though this mission is impossible since his former base has already been occupied by the Americans. The Japanese soldiers ride a motorcycle with sidecar, and they encounter an American motorcyclist along the way. The older Japanese soldier raced motorcycles before the war, so he wins a battle with the skilled American cyclist. The Japanese soldier gives the following reason for letting him live, "He's too good of racer. It would be a shame to kill him" [2]. The plot of this episode and the soldiers' reasons for fighting to their death seem shallow in comparison to the first two episodes. Also, one Japanese soldier introduced in the first part of the episode disappears from the story without explanation.

Although this video does not accurately depict certain historical facts of the war, the three episodes do successfully show the soldiers' human perspective and the war's tragedy. The "Sonic Thunder Attack Team" episode gives viewers various criticisms of the ohka weapon, but the director does not delve into the reasons that led the Japanese military to develop the weapon or into the motivations that led Japanese youths to sacrifice their lives to defend their country.

Grave Of The Fireflies

Taking place toward the end of World War II in Japan, Grave of the Fireflies is the poignant tale of the relationship between two orphaned children, Seita (清太) and his younger sister Setsuko (節子). The children lose their mother in the firebombing of Kobe, and their father in service to the Imperial Japanese Navy, and as a result they are forced to try to survive amidst widespread famine and the callous indifference of their countrymen (some of whom are their own extended family members).

Zipang

The newest, most modern warship in the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force, the guided missile destroyer Mirai sets sail from Japan on a training exercise with the U.S. Navy. Enroute, they encounter a strange meteorological anomaly. The Mirai loses contact with her sister ships but finds herself sailing by the unmistakable shape of the battleship Yamato.

The Mirai eludes the Imperial Japanese fleet and, reluctantly, the crew realizes that they have traveled sixty years into their past to the early days of World War II. Their first desire is to return home, and to insure that they have a home to which to return they decide to do nothing that will change history. That good intention does not last long, however, and gradually they are drawn into the conflict, though they continue to refuse to choose one side over another. The struggle of the crew from a modern, peaceful, and wealthy Japan to resist the nationalistic appeal of defending their country, knowing that in this time it is ruled by a brutal, totalitarian and militaristic government is the central theme of Zipang.

The basic premise of Zipang, a modern warship thrown back in time to World War II, was used over twenty years earlier in the movie, The Final Countdown (1980). In that movie, the nuclear aircraft carrier USS Nimitz is transported back to the day before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. But the Nimitz returns to its own time before it can have any observable impact on history. In the Axis of Time novels by John Birmingham, a US-led naval task force from the near future is sent back in time, also to the Battle of Midway. In Birmingham’s novels history is immediately changed when the modern ships appear so there is no attempt to remain neutral or to not interfere. Though all three of these works of fiction start with a very similar premise, each has a completely different outcome.








Personally I found Zipang the most interesting of the 3, it did end up getting licensed in the US and I was very surprised, apparently sales weren't well and the company who licensed is "Geneon" has been shut down in the US by it's Japanese counterpart due to a loss of 45 million dollars due to poor marketing of their products.

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Re: Anyone here like Anime? (Japanese Animation/cartoons)
« Reply #52 on: December 23, 2007, 09:52:37 AM »
Does Speed Racer count?
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« Reply #53 on: December 23, 2007, 09:54:58 AM »
Does Speed Racer count?

Yes, Speed Racer is Anime.

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« Reply #54 on: December 23, 2007, 11:51:37 AM »
Enough of the anti-Jap crap.  They were our enemies 70 years ago, but are a strong ally now.  Countries can change... unless they are Muslim.

BTW, Anime sucks.

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« Reply #55 on: December 23, 2007, 01:57:58 PM »
No. I gave up that sort of thing at about 12.

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« Reply #56 on: December 23, 2007, 03:11:06 PM »
No. I gave up that sort of thing at about 12.
12... I can't imagine a 12 year old watching the anime I watch, I think they'd find the level of violence rather disturbing.

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Re: Anyone here like Anime? (Japanese Animation/cartoons)
« Reply #57 on: December 23, 2007, 03:52:50 PM »
no, animes are dumb and they have nothing to do with JTF.
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« Reply #58 on: December 23, 2007, 04:02:13 PM »
No. I gave up that sort of thing at about 12.
12... I can't imagine a 12 year old watching the anime I watch, I think they'd find the level of violence rather disturbing.

Yeah i was about to say, some of the anime I watch is enough to give kids nightmares for life.

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« Reply #59 on: December 23, 2007, 04:17:25 PM »
no, animes are dumb and they have nothing to do with JTF.
Very little to do with the JTF movement, but they aren't dumb, well I guess some are.

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« Reply #60 on: December 23, 2007, 04:55:29 PM »
Enough of the anti-Jap crap.  They were our enemies 70 years ago, but are a strong ally now.  Countries can change... unless they are Muslim.

BTW, Anime sucks.

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Not enough anti  jap crap as far as i see it  O0

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« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2007, 07:10:51 PM »
Enough of the anti-Jap crap.  They were our enemies 70 years ago, but are a strong ally now.  Countries can change... unless they are Muslim.

BTW, Anime sucks.

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Not enough anti  jap crap as far as i see it  O0

Agreed O0

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« Reply #62 on: December 23, 2007, 10:42:08 PM »
I think modern Japanese Culture is unoriginal and stupid, and Anime is a great example.

BUT, thats completely different than what other members are posting, that they are anti-Jewish.  They arent, they are oblivious and indifferent to Judaism.   They don't have anti-Jewish movements in Japan like they do in the middle east and in parts of the west. 

They like every other country have a sick fascination with nazism because it has become the quintessential symbol of evil.  But they are not as bad as countries like Hong Kong and Korea, etc. 

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« Reply #63 on: December 23, 2007, 10:52:19 PM »
Wondering if anyone else is into Anime or if I'm the only one? ;)

I'm into more serious type of Anime though I do like humour as well.


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« Reply #64 on: December 23, 2007, 11:05:10 PM »
I think modern Japanese Culture is unoriginal and stupid, and Anime is a great example.

BUT, thats completely different than what other members are posting, that they are anti-Jewish.  They arent, they are oblivious and indifferent to Judaism.   They don't have anti-Jewish movements in Japan like they do in the middle east and in parts of the west. 

They like every other country have a sick fascination with nazism because it has become the quintessential symbol of evil.  But they are not as bad as countries like Hong Kong and Korea, etc. 

Brian









They are the most evil, they are Anti anyone not Japanese. They even hate themselves most of the time.


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« Reply #65 on: December 23, 2007, 11:06:07 PM »
Wondering if anyone else is into Anime or if I'm the only one? ;)

I'm into more serious type of Anime though I do like humour as well.

Outlaw Star
Basically about bounty hunters in space, it is pretty interesting but older.


Cowboy Bebop
Also about bounty hunters in space, better than outlaw star


Gantz
This is a strange series. Basically a game you have to play if you have died in a alternate reality of earth. Very very gorey and violent.


Planetes
Rather unknown anime but very realistic and serious about traveling to space in the future, it is about the problem of space debris and corporations and overall life in the future of 2075.


Berserk
Medieval anime, basically lots of blood and overall good series though it was never completed :(


Jin-Roh
Not a series but a movie, about post world war II in a alternate reality where the AXIS won the war and Japan is reforming it's economy and government like the nazis, huge protests and revolts. Very good movie.


Platonic Chain
A strange unlicensed anime not available in the US. The shows are only about 5 minutes long and it mainly is about cell phone technology/social networking. Interesting but weird.


Stratos 4
Unlicensed anime not available in the US. It is about some girls who are part of NASA or something and they fix problems in space. I have not watched the whole series but it has good drawings


Yukikaze
A more serious series, it has very good dogfights. The series is about some aliens who found a warp into Earth via a cloud from their home planet over Antartica. The government trys to keep it a secret and builds airbases there working on new planes from captured alien technology. I recommend this if you are into anime with lots of pretty explosions and dogfights. Sketchy but realistic drawings.


Macross Zero
Unlicensed anime not found in the US. This is a special edition OVA of 5 episodes, very good dogfights and deals with planes that turn into some kind of mech. It is involved with alien technology and is drawn very well. Uses a lot of CG.


FLAG
Unlicensed and not found in the US. A new anime series that is being aired in Japan, it is about a conflict in Tibet and UN troops are trying to calm the situation. The story covers from the background of someone doing documentarys. The whole series is done as you are looking through a photographers camera, it is a very unique style and a good series so far everything is drawn very very realistic. Doubtful it will ever be licensed in the US.


Grave of the fireflies
It is a story about a boy and his sister during World War II, they are caught in firebombings from US planes and try to survive. It is a sad movie and highly recommended. An older movie but drawn to even meet most of todays standards.


Gun slinger girl
This is a great anime for airsoft fans. The animation is superb and the guns are drawn very realisticly down to the trademarks. The story takes place in Rome and has a pretty serious approach to the series. Recommended


Zipang
Unlicensed anime not available in the US. It is about a modern advanced Japanese navy ship accidently going back in time after a storm to world war II Japan. This is during the midway battle and they cannot choose a side because they do not want to alter history. They fear Japan could use the technology to their advantage and change history of World War II. A very interesting series and recommended.


now and then here and there
An anime regarding a young boy who meets a strange girl in his town. Some strange people freeze time and take the girl back but the boy is taken as well on accident to a nearly deserted and dyeing earth as the sun is in a red giant stage, perhaps a billion years into the future. There is a war being fought while a "hitler" type of leader is trying to take over the world, he trains children to fight in his army and pillages citys. A very depressing and emotional anime though highly recommended.


The Cockpit
Follows the AXIS side of World War II, not a very common anime and hard to find. It's a short 3 episode series following a Nazi pilot and Japanese kamikaze pilots.


Bartender
A new strange unlicensed anime only available in Japan. So far i've seen 1 episode and it seems interesting, it's about a bartender who apparently helps people get through life or something like that. Different and interesting.



Monster
Unlicensed anime, it is a medical anime following a murder mystery. It follows a surgeon as the main character and gets stuck in the politics of a hospital, he thinks he is doing the right thing saving a boys life when he is supposed to operate on a high politician instead and ends up screwing up his career, turns out the person he saved is someone that was better off dead. Really good series.


mighty space miners
Older anime, a crew of people have a base on a comet or meteor and they are refineing resources. It's quite realistic unfortunately the company never made more than 2 episodes so it leaves you with a cliffhanger ending right
when the good stuffs about to happen.


Cat Soup
Very strange anime, it looks like hello kitty on lots of drugs, kind of violent, disgusting and demented. My guess is you would have to be on a lot of drugs to understand the demented humour

those animes are good but could not you put anything better

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Re: Anyone here like Anime? (Japanese Animation/cartoons)
« Reply #66 on: December 24, 2007, 12:35:24 AM »
I think modern Japanese Culture is unoriginal and stupid, and Anime is a great example.

BUT, thats completely different than what other members are posting, that they are anti-Jewish.  They arent, they are oblivious and indifferent to Judaism.   They don't have anti-Jewish movements in Japan like they do in the middle east and in parts of the west. 

They like every other country have a sick fascination with nazism because it has become the quintessential symbol of evil.  But they are not as bad as countries like Hong Kong and Korea, etc. 

Brian



They are the most evil, they are Anti anyone not Japanese. They even hate themselves most of the time.



WHAT??? have you ever been to Japan.  They are nice people.  Except for their sick fascination with pedophilia, they are not the angry hateful people you portray them as.

You have to pick your battles, and there ARE true evil countries throughout the orient.  But Japan isnt one of them.






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« Reply #67 on: December 24, 2007, 12:38:59 AM »

WHAT??? have you ever been to Japan.  They are nice people.  Except for their sick fascination with pedophilia, they are not the angry hateful people you portray them as.

You have to pick your battles, and there ARE true evil countries throughout the orient.  But Japan isnt one of them.







Yes I have been to Japan, I deal with its victims, and needs to be wiped from this earth the place is a virus pit.

But thats just my humble opinion.  ;)

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« Reply #68 on: December 24, 2007, 09:32:26 AM »

WHAT??? have you ever been to Japan.  They are nice people.  Except for their sick fascination with pedophilia, they are not the angry hateful people you portray them as.

You have to pick your battles, and there ARE true evil countries throughout the orient.  But Japan isnt one of them.







Yes I have been to Japan, I deal with its victims, and needs to be wiped from this earth the place is a virus pit.

But thats just my humble opinion.  ;)

Who will make ps4 then >:( >:(

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« Reply #69 on: December 24, 2007, 01:10:49 PM »
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Yes I have been to Japan, I deal with its victims, and needs to be wiped from this earth the place is a virus pit.

But thats just my humble opinion.  ;)

Unbelievable.   My stepmom is from Japan, and she along with everyone Ive met there are not worth 'wiping out'.  I think you got your priorities all wrong.  There are countries that I'd like to 'wipe off the map' but Japan aint one of them. 







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Yes I have been to Japan, I deal with its victims, and needs to be wiped from this earth the place is a virus pit.

But thats just my humble opinion.  ;)
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« Reply #70 on: December 24, 2007, 04:51:01 PM »
Japs are the same level as mullahs, waste of space.

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« Reply #71 on: December 24, 2007, 06:07:17 PM »

WHAT??? have you ever been to Japan.  They are nice people.  Except for their sick fascination with pedophilia, they are not the angry hateful people you portray them as.

You have to pick your battles, and there ARE true evil countries throughout the orient.  But Japan isnt one of them.


lol I agree, though the PS3 isn't doing so well this year :(




Yes I have been to Japan, I deal with its victims, and needs to be wiped from this earth the place is a virus pit.

But thats just my humble opinion.  ;)

Who will make ps4 then >:( >:(

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« Reply #72 on: December 24, 2007, 06:14:26 PM »

WHAT??? have you ever been to Japan.  They are nice people.  Except for their sick fascination with pedophilia, they are not the angry hateful people you portray them as.

You have to pick your battles, and there ARE true evil countries throughout the orient.  But Japan isnt one of them.


lol I agree, though the PS3 isn't doing so well this year :(




Yes I have been to Japan, I deal with its victims, and needs to be wiped from this earth the place is a virus pit.

But thats just my humble opinion.  ;)

Who will make ps4 then >:( >:(
The Wii is much better, cheaper and more fun.

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« Reply #73 on: December 24, 2007, 06:32:44 PM »

WHAT??? have you ever been to Japan.  They are nice people.  Except for their sick fascination with pedophilia, they are not the angry hateful people you portray them as.

You have to pick your battles, and there ARE true evil countries throughout the orient.  But Japan isnt one of them.


lol I agree, though the PS3 isn't doing so well this year :(




Yes I have been to Japan, I deal with its victims, and needs to be wiped from this earth the place is a virus pit.

But thats just my humble opinion.  ;)

Who will make ps4 then >:( >:(
The Wii is much better, cheaper and more fun.

And the Wii is also Japanese, anyways I have a XBOX 360.

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« Reply #74 on: December 24, 2007, 06:51:46 PM »

WHAT??? have you ever been to Japan.  They are nice people.  Except for their sick fascination with pedophilia, they are not the angry hateful people you portray them as.

You have to pick your battles, and there ARE true evil countries throughout the orient.  But Japan isnt one of them.


lol I agree, though the PS3 isn't doing so well this year :(




Yes I have been to Japan, I deal with its victims, and needs to be wiped from this earth the place is a virus pit.

But thats just my humble opinion.  ;)

Who will make ps4 then >:( >:(
The Wii is much better, cheaper and more fun.

And the Wii is also Japanese, anyways I have a XBOX 360.
Dirty microsoft...