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Reform Jewish movement anti-gun?
Kiwi:
Yes civvies with gun's went nuts. And you want more civvies with more gun's unchecked.
White Israelite:
--- Quote from: Skippy on January 06, 2008, 07:55:58 PM ---Yes civvies with gun's went nuts. And you want more civvies with more gun's unchecked.
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Why is it the governments business what guns I own or what anyone else owns? The government should violate the constitution to keep people in check? A gun is a tool, we aren't responsible for what people decide to do with that tool. Civilians were left "unchecked" previous to 1968 and our murder rates were lower than they are now. I'm not willing to sacrifice my freedoms because society has supposedly changed.
Kiwi:
Make up your mind Cohen, you complain of crims with guns ruining your streets because the police can't get there, because of no controls on their gun ownership. Then you say the government has no business knowing about gun ownership. :-\
You can't have it both ways. You can't have a free for all without, people abusing the system or lack of it.
You are going around and around and not proving your point at all. As far as I see it, you are just sounding like a children wanting a new toy.
Give me solutions to the problems, not kiddy blabble.
Tell how would you create a law to protect the disabled.
This is the situation it this, pretend there are no gun laws at all. A person in a wheelchair gets in the way of a 16 year old kid. The kid gets angry, goes to the shop buys a gun, shots the wheelchair person dead. He gets away with it because the gun is untraceable.
You want a lawless society regarding guns, how did that protect the disabled, What would you do?
Then the kid goes, Frig off its my gun, I aint gonna give up, my right to own a gun.
Kids now 18 an adult, goes to a shop buys an AK47 and theres a bus load of wheelchair people............
Kiwi:
Oh yeah didn't think it doesn't happen, how many school shottings in America do you have because of kids with wannabe attitudes....... ::)
White Israelite:
--- Quote from: Skippy on January 06, 2008, 09:44:15 PM ---Make up your mind Cohen, you complain of crims with guns ruining your streets because the police can't get there, because of no controls on their gun ownership. Then you say the government has no business knowing about gun ownership. :-\
You can't have it both ways. You can't have a free for all without, people abusing the system or lack of it.
You are going around and around and not proving your point at all. As far as I see it, you are just sounding like a children wanting a new toy.
Give me solutions to the problems, not kiddy blabble.
Tell how would you create a law to protect the disabled.
This is the situation it this, pretend there are no gun laws at all. A person in a wheelchair gets in the way of a 16 year old kid. The kid gets angry, goes to the shop buys a gun, shots the wheelchair person dead. He gets away with it because the gun is untraceable.
You want a lawless society regarding guns, how did that protect the disabled, What would you do?
Then the kid goes, Frig off its my gun, I aint gonna give up, my right to own a gun.
Kids now 18 an adult, goes to a shop buys an AK47 and theres a bus load of wheelchair people............
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Of course there are criminals running around with guns, they break the law and get the guns illegally. Most criminals that are committing gun crimes are repeat offenders or convicted felons therefore they steal the guns or obtain them from the black market.
The disabled are already victims, many disabled take advantage of gun rights and are able to defend their lives to make up for their physical capability.
Notice how most of the shootings are in gun free zones where people can't legally own guns, odd how we don't see these mass shootings at NRA conventions or gun shows.
Again most of these school shootings are by kids who got the guns illegally, how do you think the Columbine kids got their guns? They didn't get them from their parents. They were both convicted on felony counts which prohibited them from legally possessing guns. Dylan Klebold obtained his TEC-DC9 from a private dealer which is a crime to sell a minor a handgun.
Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris obtained the 3 rifles (2 shotguns, 1 hi-point 995 rifle) through a strawpurchase (Robyn Anderson who was 18 years old).
If a person wants to break the law, they will do it.
More armed people = less criminals in society who are weeded out of the gene pool by armed citizens.
Solution to criminals? Stop giving them plea bargains and allowing them back onto the streets, keep them locked up or execute them. We are too soft on criminals.
Israel used to have a problem with school shootings as well, know how they fixed it? They armed the teachers and they haven't had a school shooting since.
The debate is counterproductive, so rather than focusing on "Gun control is bad, gun control is good" "My dad can beat up your dad" type arguments, lets hear what type of "reasonable" gun control you support and debate on the individual gun control issues and why they are ineffective.
Can you imagine if we called for bans on sports cars or raise the age of drivers license each time a 25 year old gets drunk with his friends and goes 80 mph down the road? Punish the individual, not the people who are responsible drivers.
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