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PTSD, Meds, and the Back Door Gun Ban (Video)
KansasJew:
You may well know that a car can be classified as a deadly weapon when used improperly by Law Enforcement in certain situations.
However one has to be careful in dealing with RIGHTS vs Privileges. Driving a car is not addressed in the US Constitution but the right to bear arms is addressed. Makes a BIG difference. :-*
Kiwi:
--- Quote from: Cohen on January 09, 2008, 04:15:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: Skippy on January 09, 2008, 04:09:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: Cohen on January 09, 2008, 03:59:05 AM ---
So how does me having a gun make me any more dangerous than driving a car?
Never know when I might have a mental breakdown and decide to run over a bunch of school kids during recess.
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You know as well as anyone else a car is not classed as a firearm. You know with that line of thinking, why do they have traffic laws and road rules, is it not my right to drive a car when I like, how I like and at what age I choose.
The answer is same as why there needs to be gun laws.
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A firearm is a inanimate object just like a car, it requires an operator. The way I interpret your post is that a car is a completely different class of item therefore when a mentally ill person operates a vehicle, they can do so in a safe manner.
However when a mentally ill person encounters a firearm, handling of this object will turn the operator insane and cause them to go on a killing spree killing little timmy and his friend next door. The operator drops the firearm and returns to a sane state, realizes what he has done, crys, and then kills himself. Media has a field day and says "what a tragedy, more gun control laws! Mentally ill shouldn't have guns".
Ah I understand the logic now, well I better go to the gun buyback at walmart and buy a moped, I can't hurt anyone with that. ;)
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Quite honestly I am not hugely in favour of mentally ill people driving either. I am sure you can find a way if you wished to hurt someonne. I have seen a plastic spoon used as a weapon.
Kiwi:
--- Quote from: KansasJew on January 09, 2008, 04:15:31 AM ---You may well know that a car can be classified as a deadly weapon when used improperly by Law Enforcement in certain situations.
However one has to be careful in dealing with RIGHTS vs Privileges. Driving a car is not addressed in the US Constitution but the right to bear arms is addressed. Makes a BIG difference. :-*
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You are very affectionate man KJ with now kissing people, but still doesn't change that there are laws to govern ownership and use of a car, and reasons behind it. Same reasons why Mentally ill people should not have a gun.
White Israelite:
--- Quote from: Skippy on January 09, 2008, 04:26:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: Cohen on January 09, 2008, 04:15:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: Skippy on January 09, 2008, 04:09:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: Cohen on January 09, 2008, 03:59:05 AM ---
So how does me having a gun make me any more dangerous than driving a car?
Never know when I might have a mental breakdown and decide to run over a bunch of school kids during recess.
--- End quote ---
You know as well as anyone else a car is not classed as a firearm. You know with that line of thinking, why do they have traffic laws and road rules, is it not my right to drive a car when I like, how I like and at what age I choose.
The answer is same as why there needs to be gun laws.
--- End quote ---
A firearm is a inanimate object just like a car, it requires an operator. The way I interpret your post is that a car is a completely different class of item therefore when a mentally ill person operates a vehicle, they can do so in a safe manner.
However when a mentally ill person encounters a firearm, handling of this object will turn the operator insane and cause them to go on a killing spree killing little timmy and his friend next door. The operator drops the firearm and returns to a sane state, realizes what he has done, crys, and then kills himself. Media has a field day and says "what a tragedy, more gun control laws! Mentally ill shouldn't have guns".
Ah I understand the logic now, well I better go to the gun buyback at walmart and buy a moped, I can't hurt anyone with that. ;)
--- End quote ---
Quite honestly I am not hugely in favour of mentally ill people driving either. I am sure you can find a way if you wished to hurt someonne. I have seen a plastic spoon used as a weapon.
--- End quote ---
So your against mentally ill people driving a car as well then? And your telling me that you don't think that a mentally ill person would be a 2nd class citizen? Being deprived of the ability to drive or own a gun sounds like 2nd class citizenship to me.
I think the key word your thinking of here is mentally incompetent and those that are a danger to themselves. Not all mentally ill people are incompetent, should we class PMS as a mental disease?
How many people in the US do you think are on pills for depression or other causes? How about ADD? OCD?
KansasJew:
I think the KEY here is what is considered Mentally Ill? Having a bout of Depression or grieving from the lost of a loved one and needing antidepressants for a short term. Or how about someone that has been raped or assaulted and are now under treatment with medications and therapy?
One has to be very clear on what your classification of Mentally Ill is.
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