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I'm a young guy, I have a girlfriend and we want to marry!
dibblah:
Thank you all for your comments and suggestions. They are much appreciated.
-*Mills* Thanks for your insights, I appreciate what you're saying, but yes she is definately from a full Jewish family although they are not the most conservative as they would have never allowed her to date a gentile in the first place!
Please bear in mind though that when we met we had no idea of each others religion/faiths until at least the 3rd date!
I would have no problem at all in bringing my children up as Jewish if it meant we could be married. This does not come lightly to me as I am from an Irish Catholic family, going back for many Centauries.
However, my mother brought me up from an early age (along with a few licks of the spatula) to respect and understand Judaism as the bedrock of our faith (and in our view it is also ours in the form of the Tanach.) Moreover, the strength of Jewish family bonds, unity and support, throughout the Jewish community has always been an inspiration to her in the pulling together of her own family.
My girlfriend does not know I am a JTF member...she is fairly liberal but knows the strength of my beliefs..she does not know I am posting here, but it seems appropriate that I should ask advice from fellow members of a cause I deeply believe in.
I think its best that we see how it goes as neither of us would ever give up our religion (and I would never want it so). Are there any alternatives?- we would not have a civil marriage. I would dearly welcome your advice.
-Thank you.
KansasJew:
I will tell you something my Orthodox friends and Rabbi would tell you. If you convert to Judaism for the sake of Marriage. This is not allowed. You have to want to convert because YOU have a desire to convert for yourself not for your future spouse.
It may sound harsh but centuries of Traditions and experiences have taught us well to abstain for intermarriages.
dibblah:
Thank you Mills...I know you're speaking sense and the truth of it. It is a hard one though, we are very much in love...
I think I'll show her these posts now to try and bring this to a head.
Thank you so much for taking the time I've been at a bit of a loss so far.
dibblah:
This issue is very difficult. I know what you are saying in my heart, in rational thought and in religous ethics is the truth; however it is difficult to accept outright.
Sometimes there is such a thing as doing what you feel is right. I suppose that I am trying to build up an argument to defy what you have said but at every turn, in truth, I cannot do it.
I showed her these posts from yesterday and she cried, but she did not say that anything that was stated was wrong or lies. Although from a very liberal Jewish family she (when push comes to shove) would not forego her faith, as I would never convert to Jadaism, not because I have any great objections, but when you believe, you believe....The fact remains though that I dont think her family would object to the union. We are well suited and we want the same things... a big family, house in the country ect...
The strange thing here is that although my mother thinks she is a great girl, my mother also says that ultimately I should marry a good catholic girl from an Irish family. I think she thinks this year-long relationship will somehow just fizzle away. This is despite the fact that she brought me up all my life to view the Jewish people as brothers and sisters (we have many Jewish family friends) and she has always lauded their sense of family and unity as one to be aspiring to- by everyone!.
I'm starting to think that the elders of both religions are striving to protect the integrity of their people. This may not be such a bad thing, but it does cause a degree of dis-unity when we should be joining to fight the common enemy- Islam.
It may well be that the romantic element in all this will not stack up against what is clearly a huge mountain. It is very sad. The thing is (as far as I know)Catholics are not forbidden to marry Jews, so why the other way around?
Whatever comes of this relationship, it will not matter to me in the bigger scheme of things...my absolute devotion to the cause of trying to protect and defend the holy land of Israel for the Jews (because it is our spiritual holy land too) will never diminish. Moreover we have a huge battle on our hands in which all us must play a part. We must stand united for as long as it takes until there is never again any Muslim threat to our peoples.
I do not think that in the end we will now marry. The seed of doubt has been planted and this is usually enough. You know how it is though, two people meet and fall in love but family, religion and beliefs are 3 very hard things to fly in the face of with little or no regard to the consequences.
I want to thank you guys very much for your candid, honest and wise counsel on this matter. After all, history has already proven you right.
God bless.
Merkava:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on January 27, 2008, 05:57:03 AM ---"And loving them should be active, not passive.
--- End quote ---
hehehehehe .....Iakov you naughty boy. ^-^
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