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Should Jews Participate In Senior Proms?
Dan:
The person who began this thread is mentally challenged and tends to obsess about the opposite sex too much... Proms are fine if the people attending them are good and moral, just like anything else!
muman613:
--- Quote from: Dan on October 20, 2008, 08:35:27 AM ---The person who began this thread is mentally challenged and tends to obsess about the opposite sex too much... Proms are fine if the people attending them are good and moral, just like anything else!
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Dan,
It is true that inter-gender dancing is forbidden by Orthodox Jewish law. I think that the original poster just wanted to express this and suggest to those who are observant to not engage in this gentile custom.
muman613
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Dan on October 20, 2008, 08:35:27 AM ---The person who began this thread is mentally challenged and tends to obsess about the opposite sex too much... Proms are fine if the people attending them are good and moral, just like anything else!
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It seems to me that dancing is somewhat of a teasing simulation of sex , and I think it's an outrageous thing to do in public. (in private it would just be pathetic!)
side point-
The person that started this thread meant it somewhat in jest, but is a bit crazy. (and the expression, never a truer word spoken in jest, holds true. He probably would want it banned).
I changed the subject from "should senior proms be banned for orthodox jews?" , to "are proms immoral?"
q_q_:
And to the one that claims that intergender dancing is forbidden in jewish law. He won't quote where. It is not a fact. He could research on google though.
But the touchy dancing in public taking place at proms, is obviously considered forbidden by those that refuse to touch the opposite sex before marriage.
You may have seen a rabbi dancing with a woman, with a tissue in between.
So the one that thinks he knows better can tell him he is violating halacha. But he won't, I assure you. He wouldn't dare even quote halacha to him , or even to anybody here.
Those making claims about jewish law here, know nothing of it, and in some cases, only recently discovered its existance.
So there is little point in discussing jewish law. When nobody can even quote it, so far, not even with google, which is a joke way to study it anyway. And I assure you that this character has not studied jewish law.
More interestingly, given what dancing is..
a teasing simulation of sex , et.c. as I said. I think it's an outrageous thing to do in public. (in private it would just be pathetic!)
And I wonder how anybody can defend it as normal or good or even OK. I think it's crazy. The only reason it isn't considered shameless is because it's a societal norm, and a crazy one. If you do it, you should at least know that it's not quite right and you're not getting frowned on because it's a crazy society that we live in.
muman613:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on October 27, 2008, 04:45:13 AM ---And to the one that claims that intergender dancing is forbidden in jewish law. He won't quote where. It is not a fact. He could research on google though.
But the touchy dancing in public taking place at proms, is obviously considered forbidden by those that refuse to touch the opposite sex before marriage.
You may have seen a rabbi dancing with a woman, with a tissue in between.
So the one that thinks he knows better can tell him he is violating halacha. But he won't, I assure you. He wouldn't dare even quote halacha to him , or even to anybody here.
Those making claims about jewish law here, know nothing of it, and in some cases, only recently discovered its existance.
So there is little point in discussing jewish law. When nobody can even quote it, so far, not even with google, which is a joke way to study it anyway. And I assure you that this character has not studied jewish law.
More interestingly, given what dancing is..
a teasing simulation of sex , et.c. as I said. I think it's an outrageous thing to do in public. (in private it would just be pathetic!)
And I wonder how anybody can defend it as normal or good or even OK. I think it's crazy. The only reason it isn't considered shameless is because it's a societal norm, and a crazy one. If you do it, you should at least know that it's not quite right and you're not getting frowned on because it's a crazy society that we live in.
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q_q_,
I thought you were supposed to be smart about these things. Are you not Orthodox? I think you are not being honest when you say that the reason dancing is not ok is just because it is crazy to you....
Have you ever heard of the middah of Tzniut? Tzniut is usually translated as modesty. Here is the page from wiki:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzniut
Tzniut or Tznius (also Tzeniut) (Hebrew: צניעות "modesty") is a term used within Judaism and has its greatest influence as a notion within Orthodox Judaism. It is used to describe both a character trait and a group of Jewish religious laws pertaining to conduct in general and especially between the sexes.
Humility is a paramount ideal within Judaism. Moses is referred to as "exceedingly humble, more than any man in the world" (Bamidbar 12:3). The Talmud states that humility is one of the characteristic traits of the Jewish people. (Talmud, Tractate Yevamot 79a.)
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Public gatherings and dancing
In Orthodox Judaism, men and women are separated at certain other public religious gatherings, especially where dancing is expected to take place. While Orthodox Jews agree that mixed dancing is prohibited and dancing requires separation, the extent to which separation is required under other circumstances varies within Orthodox Judaism. Some Haredi authorities require separation at celebratory meals and events such as weddings, although some claim noted Haredi Rabbi Moshe Feinstein held that such separation is not required except for the dancing component. Modern Orthodox authorities generally do not require separation except for dancing. [7] Where separation occurs, it is often includes setting up a temporary Mechitza (partition).
Conservative and Reform Judaism do not require separation between men and women at religious gatherings.
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Maybe you are referring to reform Judaism but I am not familiar with that...
muman613
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