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Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Dexter:
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--- Quote from: Dexter on January 31, 2008, 11:06:54 AM ---
--- Quote from: mord on January 31, 2008, 10:33:20 AM ---So blueeyed Jews originated in Europe? :o ???
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No. The Black sea area is the area of the Caucasians and the origin of the Caucasian race. Semites are not a race but a group of people that speaks Semite languages. All Semite and Hemite people are a part of the Caucasian race. Caucasians got into Europe in the 3 tousened B.C.E. by a huge "People migration/wandering".
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Actually Dexter that isn't quite accurate. Secular "race" and Biblical "race" are very different. Semetic does refer to a language but the race, as per the Biblical identification is actually Shemitic and differs from that of Ham: Hamitic.. ;) There is a good explanation placed forward by Shai Ben Tekoa on Www.SomebodyHelpMe.Info if you are interested...
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There is no word for "race" in the Bible. Shemim, Chemim, Yeftim etc' means sons of Shem, Chem, Yefet etc'. As Jews means the sons of Judah. Semites people are not part of a race.
MarZutra:
Dexter, please listen to the explanation: http://www.somebodyhelpme.info/DPP/08-10-06_Semites_Hamites.mp3
or
SEMITES AND HAMITES
by Sha'i ben-Tekoa
May 6, 2006
Here's the derivation of the word Hamitic.
To begin with, the words Semite and Semitic in English, two centuries ago, used to be written with an "h" viz. Shemite and Shemitic. (I do not know why the "h" fell away over time; linguists specializing in phonetics probably have an answer.)
Two centuries ago, Shemitic referred to Hebrew and related languages: Arabic, Aramaic, Ugaritic, Akkadian, Amharic, etc., and was used by linguists to refer to this language group. It was an exclusively scholarly/academic term.
But in the late 19th century, the word was borrowed by Jew-haters to give a name to all the ideas floating around which tried to explain why Europeans still hated Jews even after they stopped being Jews, i.e stopped living, dressing and believing as Jews. In 19th century Germany, tens of thousands, maybe scores of thousands of them converted to Christianity - yet people still hated them and rejected them, and the Jew-haters eventually came up with all kinds of pseudo-intellectual, pseudo-academic, pseudo-historical, pseudo-science/ anthropological theories to explain why.
That is what anti-Semitism was at birth. Not for decades did it come to be associated with the physical extermination of Jews. That was an extremely late development.
Anti-Semitism arose because during the 18th century Enlightenment, European intellectuals lost their belief in Christianity. It therefore no longer made sense to hate Jews for having killed Jesus - not when they themselves no longer believed he was divine. Ergo, the end of the religious deicide charge as a reason for hating Jews.
Anti-Semitism arose saying that the reason people hate Jews is because they are Semites, meaning Asiatics, and therefore they are impossible to assimilate into European culture; people feel racially/biologically uncomfortable in their presence, and so on and so forth. The religious excuse for Jew-hatred having died, a new, pseudo-intellectual one was invented.
Now: Shem was one of the three sons of Noah and he had two brothers, Japhet and Ham, and Hamitic was the term linguists chose to categorize the pre-Arabic languages of North Africa, which are different from the Semitic language group.
And I use Hamitic as I do because I am a believing Jew who says not only that the Arabs stole Zionism and called it Palestinian Nationalism - they stole our claim that we are an ancient people and that this is our ancient homeland and that we are emotionally attached to it. They say they are an ancient people too and that this is their ancient homeland too. (This is, by the way, the identical technique the first Muslims used when they stole Judaism and called it Islam - a religion even more than Christianity that is a complete rip-off of Judaism.)
I say they stole the terms Semite and Semitic no less.
Arabs say they can't be anti-Semitic because they too are Semites because they also are the children of Abraham, who the Bible tells us was the 10th generation descendant of Shem.
But this could not be more wrong. True, Ishmael was a son of Abraham, indeed his first-born. But we Jews do not - like Arabs, Russians and loads of other nationalities - hold by patrilineal descendant. To be a Jew you have to have a Jewish mother.
And Ishmael did not. His mother (this is all in the Book of Genesis) was Hagar, an Egyptian (Egypt=Mitzrayim), and Mitzrayim was one of the four sons of Ham (along with Canaan, Put and Cush.)
The Torah also tells us that Hagar found a wife for her son who was also an Egyptian.
Therefore: since Ishmael had a Hamitic (not a Semitic) mother and married a Hamitic woman, his offspring are Hamites, not Semites.
And this is a crucial fact because of the character and personality differences between Shem and his descendants on the one hand, and Ham and his descendants on the other - which I have no time to go into now. Suffice it to say that the Arabs today fit to a tee both Ishmael and his forebear Ham in their unbridled, shameless violence.
So the next time someone says the Arabs are Semites too, tell them no, and the above is the reason why.
And that if they have problems with that, tell them to listen to Sha'i ben-Tekoa at www.DeprogramProgram.com
Vito:
So now I know where my great-x100 grandfather was from ;D
But what about siblings with different eye color? I thought blue eyes was a skipping gene..
--- Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:08:24 AM ---with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...
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Don't worry Ambiorix, I will find a Scandinavian wife and make sure our genes are greatly multiplied ^-^
Dexter:
--- Quote ---The Torah also tells us that Hagar found a wife for her son who was also an Egyptian.
Therefore: since Ishmael had a Hamitic (not a Semitic) mother and married a Hamitic woman, his offspring are Hamites, not Semites.
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First, the Torah never tells us that. Second, Yishmael's father was Simetic, third, the Arabs are dicented of Yishamel's son and Esav's doughter as far as I know. And, for the thing that summs it all: The Torah is not the tool to categorize people, the name were only borrowed from it.
MarZutra:
Sorry Dexter, I must agree to disagree with you brother... ;)
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