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Defending Torah Secrets
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
www.koshertorah.com/PDF/ekev-defending_torah_secrets.pdf
- I was asked by someone I know to find me something about the Rambam and Torah secrets, I found it, and thought why not share it also with the rest of you guys here. - This essay has a lot of things,- Torah secrets the Kabbalah, and also reincarnation, and Rambam.
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--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on February 04, 2008, 10:50:24 PM ---www.koshertorah.com/PDF/ekev-defending_torah_secrets.pdf
- I was asked by someone I know to find me something about the Rambam and Torah secrets, I found it, and thought why not share it also with the rest of you guys here. - This essay has a lot of things,- Torah secrets the Kabbalah, and also reincarnation, and Rambam.
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Regarding that koshertorah site
I asked 2 scholars.. about his references, one scholar was a maimonidean, another - a prof philosophy phd mathematical deduction. They both said his references do not support that the RAMBAM was a kabbalist.
The rabbi on that site also wrote a very friendly, but ignorant shiur about rav kahane..
Infact, the rambam was such a rationalist, I think he even believed that the magic used by pharoh`s magicians in egypt, was illusion.
I did since find a reference to a claim that the rambam became a kabbalist later..
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/soc.culture.jewish.moderated/browse_frm/thread/1303a07364994067/9a5aa1d79e10b44e?hl=en&lnk=st&q=q_q_anonymous+rambam+kabbalist#9a5aa1d79e10b44e
[email protected] wrote:
> This might be of interest.
> http://www.rabbiullman.com/07.htm
> it mentions the Ritva and R Eliya chaim saying they saw documents
> saying he learnt secrets of kabbalah later in life. It gives refs to
> the statements of those rabbis.
The Ritva is not Rabbi Yom Tov ibn Ashvili, the famous commentator on
the Talmud, but rather Rabbi Shem Tov ben Avraham a Spanish kabbalist
the author of the Migdal Oz a commentary on Maimonides. The acronym
Ritva is an error whose source is a misprint in the title page of the
1524 edition of Maimonides.
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judeanoncapta:
True, the Rabbi on Kosher Torah had a whole shiur about Rabbi Kahane that made ti obvious that he had never heard most of Rabbi Kahane's speeches.
And the idea that Rambam was a kabbalist is ludicrous.
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--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on February 05, 2008, 03:25:09 PM ---True, the Rabbi on Kosher Torah had a whole shiur about Rabbi Kahane that made ti obvious that he had never heard most of Rabbi Kahane's speeches.
And the idea that Rambam was a kabbalist is ludicrous.
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Well, it is not that "out there" because the author of the migdal oz says he saw evidence that he became one. The evidence may have been a forgery. He may have misread the evidence, ... It is a drop in the ocean of facts we know from what the RAMBAM Has written, which have no mysticism.
jdl4ever:
The Rambam was the exact opposite as a mystic, as far away from one as you could get. He was a rationalist like myself. Yes, he wrote that the Egyptions didn't have real magic, but used tricks. He writes that there is no such thing as magic and those who believe in this are fools; it is just tricks and illusions. He writes that the Torah prohibition against Sorcery applies to anyone attempting practicing Sorcery since it is foolishness and has nothing to do with an effective magical spell which is impossible. He also writes that astrology is nonsense and those who believe in it are fools.
Although it depends what you mean about "Torah Secrets". I was reading recently Tz'avah Harivash and surprisingly the fundamental concepts The Baal Shem Tov talks about are actually similar to what the Rambam wrote and I previously derived much of what he wrote from the Rambam's words before reading this Sefer even.
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