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Why do you need Kosher salt?
DownwithIslam:
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--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on February 21, 2008, 02:03:08 PM ---
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--- Quote from: David Ben Ze'ev Aryeh on February 21, 2008, 01:49:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: angryChineseKahanist on February 21, 2008, 09:45:15 AM ---Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
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All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
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I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
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Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
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On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
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Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
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What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
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True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
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It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
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What are you talking about?
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"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
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Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
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Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
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Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
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An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
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You're not answering the question...
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you are asking teh wrong Jew which hechshers for you to follow...and you should know better that I don't have a clue on that..so please, spare yourself from embarrassing me in front of everyone here on this forum.
You can build all the fences you want for yourself...but don't impose your fence on me or any other Jew who disagrees with it.
In my opinion, some of you make a big deal about enzymes which can barely be seen with an electron microscope...To me, that's going too far and too strict and possibly not in spirit of Torah Judaism. certainly will not become karet or go to Hell, Gd forbid, if the enzyme whcih is unrecognizable to the human eye, and just happens to come from a cow kosher or unkosher and one from a dairy product.
Yes, if i had a table spoon of milk on my plate and decided to put a nice chunk of kosher steak on top of it, I would agree that doing that isn't safe...but that's my personal choice of considering it unsafe.
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Exactly, it's not like you were telling people on here not to eat kosher or something. You were merely trying to get people to speak respectfully. If someone is not eating kosher, screaming at him certainly will not make him start. Everyone can eat what they want, nobody should speak in a derogatory tone towards good people.
Dr. Dan:
so teh subject is moved here so that i have to click on a bunch of folders to get to it? Or since we dont' want any other administrator to notice what's going on?
OdKahaneChai:
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on February 24, 2008, 11:44:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on February 24, 2008, 11:36:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on February 24, 2008, 11:03:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on February 24, 2008, 10:53:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on February 24, 2008, 10:50:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on February 24, 2008, 10:46:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on February 24, 2008, 10:45:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on February 24, 2008, 10:33:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on February 24, 2008, 10:15:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on February 24, 2008, 09:41:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on February 24, 2008, 09:35:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on February 21, 2008, 11:31:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on February 21, 2008, 08:43:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on February 21, 2008, 02:03:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: angryChineseKahanist on February 21, 2008, 01:57:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: David Ben Ze'ev Aryeh on February 21, 2008, 01:49:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: angryChineseKahanist on February 21, 2008, 09:45:15 AM ---Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
--- End quote ---
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
--- End quote ---
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
--- End quote ---
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
--- End quote ---
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
--- End quote ---
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
--- End quote ---
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
--- End quote ---
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
--- End quote ---
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
--- End quote ---
What are you talking about?
--- End quote ---
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
--- End quote ---
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
--- End quote ---
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
--- End quote ---
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
--- End quote ---
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
--- End quote ---
You're not answering the question...
--- End quote ---
you are asking teh wrong Jew which hechshers for you to follow...and you should know better that I don't have a clue on that..so please, spare yourself from embarrassing me in front of everyone here on this forum.
You can build all the fences you want for yourself...but don't impose your fence on me or any other Jew who disagrees with it.
In my opinion, some of you make a big deal about enzymes which can barely be seen with an electron microscope...To me, that's going too far and too strict and possibly not in spirit of Torah Judaism. certainly will not become karet or go to Hell, Gd forbid, if the enzyme whcih is unrecognizable to the human eye, and just happens to come from a cow kosher or unkosher and one from a dairy product.
Yes, if i had a table spoon of milk on my plate and decided to put a nice chunk of kosher steak on top of it, I would agree that doing that isn't safe...but that's my personal choice of considering it unsafe.
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But that's where Judaism disagrees. It's my obligation to try in every possible way to prevent you from doing so.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
;D I just realized (by going back and rereading the posts) that I wasn't even replying to Dan origionally, and all of a sudden he gets offended. Honestly, suck it up, not everything is directed to you. If you go back and read and see that you were telling me not to be shallow or whatever, (which is deragotary by the way), if you have a problem with my opinion (and also Jewish statements on what is allowed and what isn't, according to the original Orthodox Judasim, then dont read it.) If every Rabbi would listin to this way of thinking (like many of the reform do) then their would be no Torah learning, because it might "turn someone off". No Rabbi would be allowed to say any Halacha that people might have a hard time excepting and then their would be no Judaism G-d forbid. Rabbi Kahane ZTL HYD would not have been able to say we need to expel the arabs from the land of Israel because it defintily did turn some people off and they did get distanced from what they believe to be Judasim.
This conversation is over.
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on February 25, 2008, 05:22:28 PM --- ;D I just realized (by going back and rereading the posts) that I wasn't even replying to Dan origionally, and all of a sudden he gets offended. Honestly, suck it up, not everything is directed to you. If you go back and read and see that you were telling me not to be shallow or whatever, (which is deragotary by the way), if you have a problem with my opinion (and also Jewish statements on what is allowed and what isn't, according to the original Orthodox Judasim, then dont read it.) If every Rabbi would listin to this way of thinking (like many of the reform do) then their would be no Torah learning, because it might "turn someone off". No Rabbi would be allowed to say any Halacha that people might have a hard time excepting and then their would be no Judaism G-d forbid. Rabbi Kahane ZTL HYD would not have been able to say we need to expel the arabs from the land of Israel because it defintily did turn some people off and they did get distanced from what they believe to be Judasim.
This conversation is over.
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I know that you weren't directing it towards me. But when you said it, it came off to be very smug.
I am all for learning torah and halakha..but yo uavhe to be ready for someone who will disagree and have a discussion about it. in the past when i tried to discuss certain things with you, you dismissed any argument i made because it was my own and not from a rebbe...it's an unfair retort...If i present an arguement, you can use rabbis to dispute my answers but use yoru words also to dispute it.
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