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Would you eat pork when it becomes kosher when The Mashiach comes?
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on March 03, 2008, 04:59:46 AM ---
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--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on February 27, 2008, 09:35:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on February 27, 2008, 09:27:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on February 27, 2008, 09:22:03 PM ---If it is written that the lion (or wolf) is going to lie with the lamb...meaning carnivores will become herbivores, then I highly doubt humans will desire to eat any type of animal in the World to Come.
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Thats a remez (allegorical). + maybe this is talking about the time after Moshiah (which will last until the year 7,000).
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What will happen after the 1,000 years are up?
I also heard that when Moshiach comes, all holidays will be abolished except for Purim and Yom Kippur. Kippurim means "like Purim". But why would people say this if it is a commandment in The Torah that we will have to go to The Temple 3 times a year in The World To Come and that even Righteous Gentile will be required to make the pilgrimage to Jerusalem every Sukkot?
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Re: What will happen when...
We will start over a new world. There are many other worlds we will go through corresponding to the Sefirot. This 7,000 year period is Chesed within Gevurah which is why it appears so difficult (but really has a lot of good inside). The next world I believe will be chesed of chesed and things will be a lot easier. :)
Re: When Moshiach comes..
I agree with Tzvi on this. The holidays will still exist just not in the same way they do now. They will be "batul" nullilfied, because everyday will have the holiness of a holiday but they will still be observed and will remain in existence.
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Aren't we in The Sixth World now? After the 1,000 years, The Seventh World will be a World of Shabbat.
What will happen after The Seventh World?
I have heard that the previous Five World correspond to Pre-Historic times and the previous generations of humans before Adam lived then. Each day of Creation was another one of the 6 Worlds. The current World is The World of The Sixth Day of Creation. This is literally a 6,000 year World counting from Adam but the previous World were a multiple of 6,000 accounting for the billions of years of Science.
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You are talking about the last 1,000 years within this 7,000 year period. I am talking about the other 7,000 year periods we will have.
The "billions years of sceince" is not to be accepted as a given but taken with a grain of salt because
a) it results from massive extrapolation beyond the observable experiementation that was done
b) does not account for fact that elements might have interacted differently before the big bang.
c) falls apart if you accept the Biblical account of creation which says that G-d made a ready made world e.g. full grown trees not seeds, a full grown man, not a baby which means there already was a certain amount of artificial appearance of age that G-d put into creation which would really mess the scientists experiments up just as if a scientist tested Adam on day 1 they would conclude that he was twenty something but would be totally wrong.
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on February 28, 2008, 04:55:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on February 28, 2008, 05:53:15 AM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on February 27, 2008, 09:27:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on February 27, 2008, 09:22:03 PM ---If it is written that the lion (or wolf) is going to lie with the lamb...meaning carnivores will become herbavores, then I highly doubt humans will desire to eat any type of animal in the World to Come.
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Thats a remez (allegorical). + maybe this is talking about the time after Moshiah (which will last until the year 7,000).
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So it's allegorical like reincarnation.
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Nice try. Gilgulim are not allegory.
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Of course it is according to the vast majority of rabbinical authority...maybe not yours according to what you were taught. And not everything you were taught by your rebbe is truth to 100% for all Jews.
I think the laying of the wolf with lamb is what will actually happen..that natural carnivores will become herbavores..that the presence of the moshiach will bring a peace to all living things.
Reincarnation, on the other hand, has no point to it. It simply means that people have many chances to live and die and live and die. Tzvi, we only have one life, as far as we know. We should live it to the fullest and the most righteous without worrying about later. That is a Jewish principle. Dying and being reincarnated and dying and becoming reincarnated over and over again is a Hindu and Buddhist principle (not that there is anything wrong with that) It's not a Jewish principle.
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: lubab on March 03, 2008, 10:52:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on March 03, 2008, 04:59:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on March 03, 2008, 02:43:32 AM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on February 27, 2008, 09:35:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on February 27, 2008, 09:27:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on February 27, 2008, 09:22:03 PM ---If it is written that the lion (or wolf) is going to lie with the lamb...meaning carnivores will become herbivores, then I highly doubt humans will desire to eat any type of animal in the World to Come.
--- End quote ---
Thats a remez (allegorical). + maybe this is talking about the time after Moshiah (which will last until the year 7,000).
--- End quote ---
What will happen after the 1,000 years are up?
I also heard that when Moshiach comes, all holidays will be abolished except for Purim and Yom Kippur. Kippurim means "like Purim". But why would people say this if it is a commandment in The Torah that we will have to go to The Temple 3 times a year in The World To Come and that even Righteous Gentile will be required to make the pilgrimage to Jerusalem every Sukkot?
--- End quote ---
Re: What will happen when...
We will start over a new world. There are many other worlds we will go through corresponding to the Sefirot. This 7,000 year period is Chesed within Gevurah which is why it appears so difficult (but really has a lot of good inside). The next world I believe will be chesed of chesed and things will be a lot easier. :)
Re: When Moshiach comes..
I agree with Tzvi on this. The holidays will still exist just not in the same way they do now. They will be "batul" nullilfied, because everyday will have the holiness of a holiday but they will still be observed and will remain in existence.
--- End quote ---
Aren't we in The Sixth World now? After the 1,000 years, The Seventh World will be a World of Shabbat.
What will happen after The Seventh World?
I have heard that the previous Five World correspond to Pre-Historic times and the previous generations of humans before Adam lived then. Each day of Creation was another one of the 6 Worlds. The current World is The World of The Sixth Day of Creation. This is literally a 6,000 year World counting from Adam but the previous World were a multiple of 6,000 accounting for the billions of years of Science.
--- End quote ---
You are talking about the last 1,000 years withing this 7,000 year period. I am talking about the other 7,000 year periods we will have.
The "billions years of sceince" is not to be accepted as a given but taken with a grain of salt because
a) it results from massive extrapolation beyond the observable experiementation that was done
b) does not account for fact that elements might have interacted differently before the big bang.
c) falls apart if you accept the Biblical account of creation which says that G-d made a ready made world e.g. full grown trees not seeds, a full grown man, not a baby which means there already was a certain amount of artificial appearance of age that G-d put into creation which would really mess the scientists experiments up just as if a scientist tested Adam on day 1 they would conclude that he was twenty something but would be totally wrong.
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I don't completely agree with you, but accept your interpretation as a possibility. I believe interpretation of what is written in the Torah about the creation of the universe and life can be left open. Science sometimes shows us how Gd uses His fingers. I do agree that scientific theories should be taken with a grain of salt, but so should primitive interpretations of the creation of life and the universe. As we evolve spiritually and scientifically and hopefully, humanely, we will be able to read and interpret and understand the Hebrew text of the Torah much much better. Religious people need to understand that science is Gd's handywork, and scientists need to understand that there is a higher power bigger than their own miniscual understanding of how everything works.
Lubab:
Just want to help end this reincarnation debate by stating that while there is reincarnation in Judaism it is greatly misunderstood by most people.
There is a reincarnation of the MISSION of the person, not a reincarnation of their actual soul and life force.
Anyone who has learned Shaar Hagilgulim in depth (by the Arizal) will know this.
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: lubab on March 03, 2008, 01:41:17 PM ---Just want to help end this reincarnation debate by stating that while there is reincarnation in Judaism it is greatly misunderstood by most people.
There is a reincarnation of the MISSION of the person, not a reincarnation of their actual soul and life force.
Anyone who has learned Shaar Hagilgulim in depth (by the Arizal) will know this.
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what does this mean "Mission of the person"?
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