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can a kohen be the messiah?
OdKahaneChai:
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--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on March 02, 2008, 09:21:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: shimon on March 02, 2008, 08:55:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on March 02, 2008, 08:47:19 PM ---ok shimon , so you mean King David is tribe of Yehuda? ok
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no odkahanechai made a mistake his name ztl is david not dovid
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In proper Hebrew, it's Dovid. I'm not Sefaradi.
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dovid is in Yiddish, in Hebrew its David not pronounced like in English
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Dovid is Loshon Kodesh, there's a Komotz under the Dalet...
If you're Sefardi fine, but you're not allowed to impose you own minhagim on other people.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: shimon on March 02, 2008, 08:55:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on March 02, 2008, 08:47:19 PM ---ok shimon , so you mean King David is tribe of Yehuda? ok
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no odkahanechai made a mistake his name ztl is david not dovid
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dude (shimon). if you are that illiterate not to know that Dovid is ashkenazi pronunciation, or to understand my question "do you mean King David is tribe of Yehuda?"
If you are too illiterate to know that in this context, when I refer to yosef and david, I mean King David. Well, it makes you very unnreliable.
in a previous thread you confused the expression Gut Shabbos. Thinging it was hebrew corrupted by ashkenazim. If you are a self hating ashkenazi, then keep the self hate to yourself.
shimon:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on March 02, 2008, 10:27:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: shimon on March 02, 2008, 08:55:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on March 02, 2008, 08:47:19 PM ---ok shimon , so you mean King David is tribe of Yehuda? ok
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no odkahanechai made a mistake his name ztl is david not dovid
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dude (shimon). if you are that illiterate not to know that Dovid is ashkenazi pronunciation, or to understand my question "do you mean King David is tribe of Yehuda?" (classic/traditional) pronunciation is wrong. With no basis either.
If you are too illiterate to know that in this context, when I refer to yosef and david, I mean King David. Well, it makes you very unnreliable.
in a previous thread you confused the expression Gut Shabbos. Thinging it was hebrew corrupted by ashkenazim. If you are a self hating ashkenazi, then keep the self hate to yourself.
(I wrote david since that is the english name. King David. / Dovid HaMelech )
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i never said hebrew was corrupted by anyone. but since we proud jews are making aliyah we should revert back to the customs of our ancestors who lived in ancient judea
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--- Quote from: shimon on March 02, 2008, 10:31:47 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on March 02, 2008, 10:27:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: shimon on March 02, 2008, 08:55:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on March 02, 2008, 08:47:19 PM ---ok shimon , so you mean King David is tribe of Yehuda? ok
--- End quote ---
no odkahanechai made a mistake his name ztl is david not dovid
--- End quote ---
dude (shimon). if you are that illiterate not to know that Dovid is ashkenazi pronunciation, or to understand my question "do you mean King David is tribe of Yehuda?" (classic/traditional) pronunciation is wrong. With no basis either.
If you are too illiterate to know that in this context, when I refer to yosef and david, I mean King David. Well, it makes you very unnreliable.
in a previous thread you confused the expression Gut Shabbos. Thinging it was hebrew corrupted by ashkenazim. If you are a self hating ashkenazi, then keep the self hate to yourself.
(I wrote david since that is the english name. King David. / Dovid HaMelech )
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i never said hebrew was corrupted by anyone. but since we proud jews are making aliyah we should revert back to the customs of our ancestors who lived in ancient judea
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Putting aside whether we should pronounce according to tradition or "custom" (you suggest the latter)
Ivrit/modern hebrew pronunciation, which seems to be all you know, is not an ancient thing.
Infact, I think in judea`s analysis, I vagely recall, kamatz is oh like boris, much like the ashkenazi way.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on March 02, 2008, 08:57:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on March 01, 2008, 09:29:44 PM ---Can a Kohen be the messiah?
Was Rabbi Meir Kahane a Kohen?
(nobody draw conclusions! we all accept the Rambam, that if the man dies , or rather, "is killed", then he cannot be the messiah!)
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A Kohen can be Mashiach Ben Yosef but not Mashiach Ben David. Either Rabbi Meir Kahane or his son Rabbi Binyamin Ze'ev Kahane were Mashiach Ben Yosef which can die but doesn't have to. Mashiach Ben David must be from Judah and can never die.
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MBD will bring peace, so presumably will not be killed. But he can die naturally - AFTER he has done x y and z.
RAMBAM says if he is killed before he has done xyz then he is not the Messiah.
He does not say "if he is killed" or "if he dies" then he is not the messiah!
Nothing there about M living forever!
On the contrary, the RAMBAM says not to expect supernatural things.
What is your source that MBY must be a kohen? (i.e not a ben yosef) ?
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