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Tzvi Ben Roshel1:

--- Quote from: Skippy on March 04, 2008, 07:37:05 PM ---
--- Quote ---Also I did recently hear that big Sefaradi Rabbis speaking out agains't women studying Talmud because it does in a way belittle it
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Yes they are very much against it. And which brings up the question, women are the very first teachers your child has, therefore the most important. Should not the most important figure in your childs life, also be the most learned?

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Yea, but not in that way. A women is important, and should definitly teach their children the proper path, but some things are just not for them. For example a women should inspire her children with the proper morals, and teach things like stories from the Tannach.

Tina Greco - Melbourne:

--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on March 04, 2008, 08:21:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: Skippy on March 04, 2008, 07:37:05 PM ---
--- Quote ---Also I did recently hear that big Sefaradi Rabbis speaking out agains't women studying Talmud because it does in a way belittle it
--- End quote ---

Yes they are very much against it. And which brings up the question, women are the very first teachers your child has, therefore the most important. Should not the most important figure in your childs life, also be the most learned?

--- End quote ---

Yea, but not in that way. A women is important, and should definitly teach their children the proper path, but some things are just not for them. For example a women should inspire her children with the proper morals, and teach things like stories from the Tannach.

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I think children need to be taught the full information, not just pieces of it.

dibblah:
I disagree that women should be in any way dis-enfranchised from the religous and educational requirements of our children. My mother was the one who taught me every teaching from The Tanach and enforced my religious education.

Cultures and upbringing are different throughout the world, but women have a duty to play an equal part in them.

VBR,

dIBBZ NUTZ

jdl4ever:
Rabbi Soloveitchik Zs'l allowed women to learn Talmud, so it is not a clear cut thing if what the Talmud writes is the Halacha.  I can see both sides as in my experience with women and seeing the way they think and read things I could see the logic why most wouldn't be able to learn Talmud properly.  I personally think that women should learn whatever they want to learn.  No woman is actually interested in learning the Talmud to begin with, Tzvi.  They just get mad when you forbid them from doing something (which you like to do). 

Tzvi Ben Roshel1:

--- Quote from: jdl4ever on March 04, 2008, 10:01:13 PM ---Rabbi Soloveitchik Zs'l allowed women to learn Talmud, so it is not a clear cut thing if what the Talmud writes is the Halacha.  I can see both sides as in my experience with women and seeing the way they think and read things I could see the logic why most wouldn't be able to learn Talmud properly.  I personally think that women should learn whatever they want to learn.  No woman is actually interested in learning the Talmud to begin with, Tzvi.  They just get mad when you forbid them from doing something (which you like to do). 

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 Their are some believe me that learn much more then the average man. Even though I do respect them, its still not something that I feel is for them (as do others). The main goal of a women is Tzniut (modesty) is dress, speach and way of life, and that is something that needs to be their numero uno thing. + its problematic where theirs less seperation between the males and females. And another thing would be that females are much more sensitive then men (allthough its kinda changing with different males today who act weak like females sometimes and get offended easily), it would seem awkward having a Mahlokit with a women or a women with another women, and it would seem fed up to scream or talk loud at them (and if you have that then your killing the burning fire, which elevates you and lets you do your battle).
 + its not at all attractive when you see a women knowing too much. And its harder from what I hear for a girl who goes to seminary for some time and then comes back and tries to get married.

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