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DALMACIJA:

--- Quote from: Zoran on April 06, 2008, 12:31:03 AM ---I totally agree that Croatia is a fascist state.

And I also agree that a large number of Croats support this...but not all. That's all I'm saying.

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I never said brother that all the Croats were allied with Nazism.

I agree a large number the majority supports the HDZ idea that Croatia is only the land of the Croats and that the operation strom which exiled the Serbs from Krajina is a heroic deed. The majority of the Croats does not judged the actions of their former governments at all. Actually the same who committed ethnic cleansing against the Serbs during the ninties are still present in the Croatian government.

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DALMACIJA:

--- Quote from: Zoran on April 04, 2008, 11:57:52 AM ---
Are you sure it was 80% of the entire country? It's more likely that 80% of those who voted supported them...and we all know that the number of people who vote in a country is not the same as the number of people in a country. Also, I'm willing to bet that a LOT of those voters did not necessarily know what they were voting for 100%.


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The people chose the government.
In the former Socialist Republic of Croatia which existed in the period of 1945 till 1990 you had two main nation present in it. The majority were the Croats which were the 75% of the whole population. The other 15% were the Serbs and than you have left 5% people who considered their selves as Yugoslavians by nationality. Please pay attention that 80% of the percentage Yugoslavians were Serbs by origin.

During the first multy elections of Croatian afther WW2 in 1990, 66% of the voters voted for the ultra nationalist party of HDZ (Croatian Democratic Union). We can agree that only the Croats voted for the HDZ government.

What were they main principles of the policy of HDZ?
- The establishment of a sovereign and independent state of Croatia.
- To establish Croatia as a national land of the Croatian people (with other words to eliminated the state federal status of the Serbs)
- Tudjman applied to the ideas of Ante Starcevic the founder of the Croatian party of Rights in the 18 century. This man’s politic was also very anti Serbian.
- Tudjman decreased the number of the Serbian victims of Jasenovac and called the atrocities of Jasenovac a Serbian communist myth.

The Croatian people supported those statements otherwise they wouldn't vote for such political option.

But we still did not consider all the Croats as Ustase.
But all the Ustase were/ are the Croats.

george_jtf:
To me, it is really interesting that those who call croatia a democratic state really can't show support for their claim:
1. Using the same flag used by Croatian Nazis (Ustase)?
2. Using the same currency as those by Croatian Nazis in WWII?
3. Using the same National Anthem as those by Croatian Nazis in WWII?
4. Franjo Tudjman openly talking in a presidential rally that he thanx God for not being married to a Serb, Jew or a dog?
5. Streets across Croatia being named after WWII Nazis which were then renamed again after a pressure from EU?
6. Croatian soccer fans creating Swastikas during games?
7. Franjo Tudjman claiming that the total number of Serbian, Jewish and Gypsy victims in Jasenovac is no more than 50,000 altogether?
8. Creating over 50,000 new words in the vocabulary (many of which just sound so ridiculous just to prove that they have no connection to Serbs)?
9. Not teaching Cyrilic alphabet in schools because it is a Serbian alphabet?
10. Blowing up a Jewish Synagogue in Zagreb in 1991 and blaming the Serbs for it? I do not recall seeing anywhere in the news or otherwise that Serbs were doing that to Jews. Quite the opposite, Jews have come to Serbia from Croatia, Kosovo and Bosnia to escape these Croatian, Muslim and Albanian murderers
11. Making NHD (Independent State of Croatia in WWII) as a begining of a modern Croatian state, a state which on December 11, 1941 declared war on United States and still hasn't signed a peacy treaty?
12. Claiming that Nikola Tesla was a Croat eventhough Tesla's father was a Serbian Orthodox priest?
All of these cannot be done without a majority support of the Croatian people. Last I heard, majority, not minority, rules.

On a personal experience, an entire male population of my mother's village was put on the war crimes indictments in so-called Croatia (which I still do not and will not recognize eventhough I was born in a country today occupied by Croatian nazis), including a woman who lived in Serbia during the war and an 80-year old man....That is not a good sign of denazification and freedom of expression, that is a sign for "do not dare come back".
To add, I once called the Croatian embassy asking for a passport, but was told that I am not eligible because my birth certificate is too old. Few days later, claiming to be a Croat who left as a child, I was immediately told that I can recieve my croatian passport as soon as I show proof with a birth certificate that my parents have kept since moving to United States. Double standards/fascism/racism?

Over 80,000 croats live in Serbia and no one bothers them. Why? Because Serbs are not fascists like the Croats.

I have always believed that people can always be better (with the exception of Muslims) by showing it in voting those who oppose racist ideoligy.

Americanhero1:
how many countries change their national anthem and Nikola Tesla is half Serb  he is half Croat as well so like Chaim says what your mother is you are.

Americanhero1:
another thing not all Croats supported the Nazis so get you facts straight

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