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Jews who eat pork.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
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--- Quote from: Yohonathan Ben Yakov on April 02, 2008, 04:50:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: Khazan on April 01, 2008, 11:42:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on April 01, 2008, 02:39:52 PM ---"BTW she's a wonderful person"
Nothing personal on her, but that is a contradictary statement. If one knowingly goes agains't what G-d said, then they are not a good person, it just cannot be. For example lets say you have a person who smiles and does good deeds to all the people around him, but his wife he treats like garbage, even though she cooks, cleans and takes care of him. She doesn't do anything wrong against him, and is faithful providing whatever he needs, but he just acts like that to his wife, now tell me is that a good person, just because they put a show or are really nice to other people, but are not to those who matter the most and who give him the most? (How much more soo with G-d who provides each individual with everything, every second the heart pumps blood, every second you have air avilable while your alive, etc.
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Oh please...enough with all this idealism. I find it ironic that the holy torah forbids eating probably one of the most tasty of meats, bacon.
I've been to Israel, and if some Jew eating bacon pisses you off, then you'll probably want to stay away from Jerusalem on a Saturday night, at least the bar scene. There was one bar that had a projection screen showing various images of hot naked Israeli ladies. I wasn't in that bar, I saw it from the outside, for any young Chassidic Herschel to see. Being in a bar is a whole other story...this orthodox lady on the trip was making out with some dude in the bar, and one other girl took a lucky lad back to the hotel. As for me, I wasn't innocent either, I probably dirty danced with every broad in the bar.
And you're kvetching about bacon.
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The Torah is Holy, and the Torah is G-ds word, if G-d said we cant eat pig, lobster, shrimp, meat-milk products same time for example cheeseburger. then thats what we Jews must keep.
for you bacon might be the most tasty meat, but i never tried the pig, and lamb is definitely more delicious and and healtier.
whatever G-d says we must keep, even if we might think its Ironic.
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What I'm getting at is that while the Torah is holy, there's also unholy human nature. Have you ever jackeoff Yonatan? Don't beat yourself up if you have, I'm sure even Moshe squeezed a few off in his day too.
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You speak very dirty and I request you change the way you say things. Someones sins are not your buisness, no one has to confess to you + what you said about Moshe is disqusting and people shouldn't put their low dirty filthy attidude into great (the greatest) people like Moshe. One can even deduce that he never has done it- but its not for now.
About sins, okay people have done sins in the past but who said you cant change? Because others do something wrong doesn't justify you (or me or anyone else) doing it. Thats why one has to learn Torah, learn the laws and change their sins/mistakes.
Daniel Ben Hanania:
--- Quote from: Khazan on April 03, 2008, 01:38:54 AM ---What I'm getting at is that while the Torah is holy, there's also unholy human nature. Have you ever jackeoff Yonatan? Don't beat yourself up if you have, I'm sure even Moshe squeezed a few off in his day too.
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WHAT ?????? >:( >:( >:(
FIRST OF ALL, MOSES spoke dirrectly with G-D !!!!
Even muslims respect him ....
ash:
I hope none of you think you are good for not eating pork or think you are good enough to follow the law, remember if you ever break the law you are a law breaker and guilty of all, this is why Mosses said the BOOK was to be a whitness against them, WHY? to show them that they could never follow the law. the law is only a mirror to show you how ugly you are. thier is no punishment until the law is given, then look out because the wrath comes. Pork goes down the throat and out the body ,but the lust of the flesh and the pride of life are what truely kills and maimes man. The Bible says men will proclaim thier own goodness...........Let you not do this and profain the name of the LORD. Even King David knew this..
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: ash on April 03, 2008, 08:30:44 PM ---I hope none of you think you are good for not eating pork or think you are good enough to follow the law, remember if you ever break the law you are a law breaker and guilty of all, this is why Mosses said the BOOK was to be a whitness against them, WHY? to show them that they could never follow the law. the law is only a mirror to show you how ugly you are. thier is no punishment until the law is given, then look out because the wrath comes. Pork goes down the throat and out the body ,but the lust of the flesh and the pride of life are what truely kills and maimes man. The Bible says men will proclaim thier own goodness...........Let you not do this and profain the name of the LORD. Even King David knew this..
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Yes one who perfects him/her self in a certain Mitzva (and G-d willing all of them) should feel the accomplishment of the mitzva (whatever the level).
And you are wrong, it is possible to follow the Torah complelty (do all the laws that apply to you). Saying it is impossible is a loser way of looking at life, G-d doesn't give someone a test they cannot pass. Now does that mean that one should be in a deep depression after realizing that they are living the wrong way in their life? No not completly, but one does need to have the proper awareness (and that comes about by learning Torah and Mussar), and then correct oneself. G-d gave a fine gift to Israel and that is Tishuva, one should make Tishuva for one's sins and mistakes and not try to justify why they are a loser in life, by saying ooh no one is perfect, or its not possible to keep or similar statements like that. You have to have confidence in G-d and also confidence in yourself in that you can accomplish great things (spiritually).
ash:
Brother I truly love you, but their is no way you can follow all the laws of Mosses or even the TEN COMANDMENTS all the time never to break. Thats not being a loser its just acknowledging that their is only one GOOD That is GOD. "Let GOD be true and all of us liars" and " Be ye holy as I am holy says the LORD." Don't believe in yourself but believe in HIM, and HIM only. Please I mean no offense
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