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My post in Ask JTF #48 criticized Dovid and Chaim for insulting American Men

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Lisa:
Adam, as the only woman on this forum who is pretty darn rightwing, I would like add to this discussion. 

I have been reading the JFT site for years, and I also listened to Chaim's last "Ask JFT" show where he answered your questions/comments. 

Although I haven't listened to the latest show that you found objectionable, I have never seen anything on the web site or in past shows that is anti-male.  Now, that's not to say that there's never any male bashing in this country -- look in advertisements and college campuses -- there is. 

In terms of women "civilizing" men in marriage, I think you're misinterpreting it.  Men and women's brains are different, and their modes of interaction are also different.  It has nothing to do with being "barbaric," or bashing men.  I see it more as a complementary thing in a happy marriage, which is essential for raising a family.

Ultra right wing gun toting blogger Kim Du Toit (a man) wrote an EXCELLENT essay a while back called "The Pussification of the Western Male."   Kim points out that the act of women "civilizing" men in marriage is part of the natural order of things.  And he is NO metrosexual wussie whatsoever.  Here's a link:

http://www.theothersideofkim.com/index.php/essays/the_pussification_of_the_western_male/

adam613:
>Although I haven't listened to the latest show that you found objectionable

If you haven't listened to it I don't think it is fair to criticize me, Lisa. Listen to the first 8 minutes of take back America and then get back to me. If you were married, Lisa, you  also may have some boost in your logic skills. 

I question how conservative you really are. You praise Tammy Bruce who openly says on her site she is pro life and is a feminist. And you call yourself a conservative. More idol worship of childbearing women at the expense of everybody else. Some of the fetuses these women abort were going to be girls. Don't you know that, Lisa?You have admitted that your sisters are liberal and think you are a right wing wack job and they are still your sisters but it didn't seem to bother you at all even though it doesn't sound like they think highly of you. You openly said this on your blog. Do you have any brothers Lisa. It sounds to me you have a bad alterior motive for being a Republican. I get that sense from what I just mentioned above.

I do have a yonger sister Lisa and we do talk to each other although we can't eat together at my parents house because they always favor my sister and can't and never have been able to deal with us together and expect me the older sibling to respect her more even though I am the older sibling.  If you don't have any brothers you need to learn more about men then I do about women. I grew up with a sister and taught her a few things so I can see what women are better then men at and what they are worse then men at. If you didn't have any brothers growing up you have no clue to some of the horrible stuff being done to men. I also have been currently speaking to a young women for about a year now and she admits that her mother wants her to marry a man that has no backbone but she has told me she is glad that I have values but that her mother doesn't like me. She has gone out with other guys which she admits are wishy washy but her mother likes them.

In terms of women civilizing men, again, it is a two way street and you shouldn't be arrogant in your thinking that women can change men so much. In America today women can throw a man out of a home for anything and that some men are afriad of the 1 billion dollar domestic violence scam run by feminists who are not married and since they are not married want to destroy all other marriges. This is what causes some men to just bow down to their wives and even when their wives are doing horrible things. Not you, Lisa, you silly twit. Michael Savage has been married for 30 years and yet some on this site call him all kind of names. His wife has been on the show by the way on a few special anniversery shows.

This is becoming so silly and irrational. There is only one Jewish women contributing here and Chaim and Dovid attack men who are 35 years old and younger saying that all American men and are immature and women are better then men in all area's. I would bet at least 80% of the people here are men under 35. No women has married Chaim for all he has done for the Jewish people and yet he is unable to express any anger towards his own women for this injustice. He transplants his anger at men who are his biggest supporters and praises women that are not there. Chaim certainlly cannot help anyone if he doesn't stop this and see his own insanity. Rabbi Kahane had some faults and was certainlly naive with regard to women (being nice) and Chaim seems to be unwilling to move the movement forward and take the good from Rabbi Kahane and reject the bad. A healthy movement learns from its mistakes. He has done many good things but when Chaim is wrong he blames other men for it. How nice.

Anyway, men also help women become more rational and logical while women help men temper justice with mercy. Men are suppose to teach their wives what the torah says. Women are the one's that give birth to the children and have the most affect on raising moral children.


 

Lisa:
Adam,

No one here on this forum is criticizing you. 

Like I said, I've been a JTF viewer for years.  I've heard Chaim speak in person, and I've even spoken with him once on the phone.  I have never heard him or any of the other JTF people ever criticize men or unduly idolize women.  In fact, I think Chaim was extremely courteous in his response to you on the most recent Ask JTF program.  So I think I'm allowed to have an opinion.  If you want to take it as a criticism, then that's your choice. 

In terms of how conservative I am, who designated you as the conservative police, judge jury and executioner???

As for my sisters being more liberal than I am, it's not my place to tell how to vote or what to believe.  They are my family.  I love them and they love me.  And frankly, and you're in no position to go on about my motives.   

In terms of knowing anything about men, I do not need to be taught by someone who obssessively blames the entire female gender because he is unmarried.  To his credit, Chaim doesn't blame all women and feminism for his being single. 

adam613:
Lisa Wrote:
>No one here on this forum is criticizing you. 

Lisa, do I have the right to feel or you decide when I can feel insulted. Your arrogance is terrible.  You didn't even hear the show. Other people don't deny it happened. You're like Yacov that ignore everything I write and  don't even feel I am worth a debate and act dumb when I post. What I have done to you that you don't trust me and assume I am liar I have no idea.  I HAVE ALSO LISTENED TO CHAIM FOR A LONG TIME AND I ALSO KNOW OTHER PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED RABBI KAHANE AND THE JEWISH PRESS WHICH I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW MUCH ABOUT.

I will say it again. Dovid said that American men under 35 are immature and women are better then men in all area's and HE knows American men. If you think that is OK you are a very sick person. This is basically spitting on the people that mostly give to this forum. Chaim started this by saying that by puting himself down by saying that us men are just are naturally immature. I read some of your other comments in the Adios section. I guess you hate Scriabin too. He left because he also felt Chaim didn't care about men. You think most men are bad and men that aren't bad you thing don't exist and that is very disturbing, Lisa. And again you defend a women Tammy Bruce that is openly Pro Choice and feminist you call yourself conservative. I think you are dishonest, not me.  And obviously you didn't grow up with a brother so you don't have much sympathy or are even aware of many struggles men have to deal with in so many area's both in the home and school.

TheCoon:
Adam, you sound like a muslim when you talk about women. Chaim was right, get a grip on reality and get over it.  And for God's sake, don't attack Lisa because you're so filled with muslim-like anger.

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