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What Do You Think Of Pre-Marital Intimacy And/Or Touching?
DownwithIslam:
But Yackov, if you yourself aren't completely religious yet, why do you expect a very religious girl to be interested. Most will get nervous if they know you dont keep shabbos totally. I feel I have to point this out. I also think you are narrowing down the list of qualified females to drastically.
Gruzinit:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 27, 2008, 06:20:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: DownwithIslam on May 27, 2008, 06:17:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 27, 2008, 05:59:07 PM ---I'm against any dating that involves touching and I only want a religious woman.
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Yacov, why do you want only a religious woman. Of course she must be jewish, but why only religious. It might be easier for you to broaden your options.
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Most non-religious women are not virgins and I wouldn't get along with non-religious women either. Most non-religious women would not go to the mikveh after month after their period and would not share my values and beliefs.
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Just because many girls do not wear skirts or go to Yeshiva does not mean their all hedonists or libertines Yacov. Many young women from my community waited until they were married to have sex (can't say the same for the guys though). While many don't follow the rules of modest dress, some occasionally wear pants or opt to cover their hair with scarves or hats, but there are many who see mikveh as the most essential essence of maintaining family purity. I intend to observe mikveh when I get married, but wigs and super-long skirts are not in the cards for me.
Don't judge people over petty things. People can sometimes surprise you.
DownwithIslam:
--- Quote from: Gruzinit on May 27, 2008, 07:32:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 27, 2008, 06:20:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: DownwithIslam on May 27, 2008, 06:17:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 27, 2008, 05:59:07 PM ---I'm against any dating that involves touching and I only want a religious woman.
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Yacov, why do you want only a religious woman. Of course she must be jewish, but why only religious. It might be easier for you to broaden your options.
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Most non-religious women are not virgins and I wouldn't get along with non-religious women either. Most non-religious women would not go to the mikveh after month after their period and would not share my values and beliefs.
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Just because many girls do not wear skirts or go to Yeshiva does not mean their all hedonists or libertines Yacov. Many young women from my community waited until they were married to have sex (can't say the same for the guys though). While many don't follow the rules of modest dress, some occasionally wear pants or opt to cover their hair with scarves or hats, but there are many who see mikveh as the most essential essence of maintaining family purity. I intend to observe mikveh when I get married, but wigs and super-long skirts are not in the cards for me.
Don't judge people over petty things. People can sometimes surprise you.
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I agree and this is sort of what I was trying to say. Sometimes when a person is too picky about what is acceptable to them, they can end up with nothing.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: DownwithIslam on May 27, 2008, 07:26:52 PM ---But Yackov, if you yourself aren't completely religious yet, why do you expect a very religious girl to be interested. Most will get nervous if they know you dont keep shabbos totally. I feel I have to point this out. I also think you are narrowing down the list of qualified females to drastically.
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I don't think that would make them nervous.. A religious girl would be only too happy that he is trying to increase his observance.. Yaakov seems to be letting them know early.. even before they meet. It is fine. They would respect that.
Financial thing is a problem.. Yaakov.. why not wait till you get a job? or get a job..
But as one working charedi once said to me.. (probably lecturing himself out loud).
HaShem says, Sheshet Yamim Taavod - 6 days you shall work. It's what G-d wants.
If you both work, that should be sufficient income..
I know, the financial thing is an issue.. moreso in the jewish world than in the gentile world. Because of kosher food(kosher meet is expensive), and getting a property that is within walking distance of a shul..
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 27, 2008, 08:53:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: DownwithIslam on May 27, 2008, 07:26:52 PM ---But Yackov, if you yourself aren't completely religious yet, why do you expect a very religious girl to be interested. Most will get nervous if they know you dont keep shabbos totally. I feel I have to point this out. I also think you are narrowing down the list of qualified females to drastically.
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She doesn't have to be "very" religious. She can be Modern Orthodox Liberal (A term Frumster uses.) and still be a virgin and be okay for me. I call myself Modern Orthodox Liberal too. The other kind of Modern Orthodox is Machmir. I'm very strict on hugging, kissing, and sex, but I will still listen to female singers and if I see an attractive woman, I will still look at her. I also am not opposed to watching TV or other modern things.
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This is a tricky one!
My view is if wearing a kippa, then I would almost certainly not look.. Because I would think it is a chillul hashem..
But if I was wearing a hat, then I wouldn't be quite as strict with where my eyes go.. But I tend to keep them lowered. In normal walking - Head up usually .. Fedor keeps his head up and (respectfully keeps his ) eyes down in the stare down against his opponent! I think the RAMBAN(with a Nun) writes in a letter that one should walk like that.
There was one instance where the woman with the most unbelievable legs anybody has ever seen, she was wearing a short skirt and no tights and was walking down quite a religious jewish road. The friend I was with, started slurring his speech, and said(afterwards) He has -NEVER- seen anything like that before in his life. And BTW, He is not jewish and doesn't live a sheltered life.
The whole street stood still watching, including a guy with a beard. Standing still, staring behind him in amazement with his mouth hanging open - not drooling, but open in suprise/disbelief..
It was an uncontrollable stillness, like a UFO had landed..
It happened once or twice in school, a stunning girl would appear, and because we were all 17, she could stun people into slurry silence. And we'd stare into space even after she had gone, until somebody would wake up and wake up his colleagues, out of the daze.
But for that to happen on a busy public street, to guys in their 20s, 30s 40s. I have never seen anything like that before or since..
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