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Should outsourcing jobs to friendly countries be legal?

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Outsourcing Jobs
« on: November 05, 2007, 10:58:07 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2007, 11:01:45 PM »
Yes with some limits, the US can't outsource certain things to certain countries even though they are allies, but generally I think it's fine
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Re: Outsourcing Jobs
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2007, 11:23:54 PM »
I think outsourcing should be allowed if the outsourced products are to be sold at the market rate in the nation where they were made: i.e. jeans that cost 5 cents to make in Guatemala and would be sold for 50 cents in Guatemala should be sold at that price in America.


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Re: Outsourcing Jobs
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2007, 11:27:07 PM »
I think outsourcing should be allowed if the outsourced products are to be sold at the market rate in the nation where they were made: i.e. jeans that cost 5 cents to make in Guatemala and would be sold for 50 cents in Guatemala should be sold at that price in America.



You're saying the corps shouldn't make a big profit on foreign made products. Lot's of people feel that way but this is government intervention which I oppose.

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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2007, 11:31:31 PM »
I think yes, only if the skilled labour can not be found within the country in the first place.

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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2007, 11:52:45 PM »
Yes, but with limits.

Costly, labour intensive, low skilled jobs should be (if for no other reason than to shut the mouths of the Chamber of Commerce who keep crapping on about us having to 'compete' with 10 cents/ hour countries).

High tech, defense/ national security related manufacturing should not.

Also, flag of convenience, rust bucket ships should be barred from our ports. First world, properly surveyed and maintained, first world crewed ships only in our waters.

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Re: Outsourcing Jobs
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2007, 12:50:57 AM »
NO.  NO.  AND NO.

This is the reason we are facing a total meltdown of the American economy.

When profits a/k/a "the bottom line" are one's sole criteria for business, irregardless of the fact that one's actions damage national economy and erode national sovereignty, then I deem those individuals and corporations who make this their practice as traitorous and mentally ill.

All of you who think there is nothing wrong with "globalism" had better wake up and do it fast...read Time To Go Home by Rabbi Meir Kahane Nash Publishing Los Angeles 1972.

Notice the date of publication...1972.  Rabbi Kahane gave a detailed description of "globalism", "free trade", and "fiat currency"; succinctly predicting the total collapse of the United States, resulting in chaos and a new wave of Jew hatred which would quickly develop into the Final American Holocaust of the Jews.

If any of you are scoffing by now, perhaps thinking how much more you know about "business" than do I, all I can say is that you will be the last one laughing.

It's simple.
What is being "sold" to gullible people worldwide as "globalism", is nothing more than 21st Century Global Feudalism.
Businesses must constantly grow and show net profits, or go out of business.
When a business is unable to show profits, and rather than fold up, chooses to have Communist slave laborers do all their manufacturing for mere pennies in labor cost, and then import their production to sell at home, a chain reaction ensues...

The labor force and most of sub-management is forcibly unemployed.
These hard working and loyal people support local communities, pay the taxes necessary to maintain school systems and infrastructure, as well as buy items which sustain their other community members.  Their communities lose their tax base, resulting in slumping local economy and less ability to maintain standard amenities.
Some of the unemployed lose their homes, or their families split up from the stresses.

The "Outsourcers" bring back cheaply made Communist goods, and put them on the market, caring not a whit that their former employees no longer can afford to buy such things.

As the "outsourcing" trend continues, short-term profits skyrocket into the pockets of only the company owners.
All others are put out into the streets to fend for themselves.

Eventually this reaches a point (which is the point the U.S. finds itself in now) where a tiny minority have pocketed all of the nation's wealth, forcing into a permanent poverty and lower standard of living the entire labor force of a nation.

Today, the Federal Government releases reports on the state of our economy and GNP showing that "everything's great"...it is all lies and deceit.
The term "U.S. economy" now means only 1% of our population who have moved all of our machinery and production assets to a Communist Slave State, made obscene profits, and bankrupted the rest of their own nation.

Our government today calculates American GNP growth by factoring in all Communist Slave labor production as "American production and manufacturing!", then reports it as if America has grown its wealth and economy!
All a sham and a traitorous deceit.
In actual reality America is sinking as low as any filthy third world state, and the 1% who profited from causing it, have no love for their country, its people, history, or its values.

Soon the country is going to completely collapse from within.

The fat cats know it's coming, but they just plan on having their pilots fly them to another country in their private jets.

That's globalism...how do you like it?

End Result:  Feudal Corporate CEO Warlords with private armies living in total unparalleled luxury on walled estates, while 99% of the country is fighting, stealing, prostituting, selling drugs, and being imprisoned in the new global fiefdom where only the CEO has rights and all others are peons to be let die of violence, famine, and disease.

p.s.--oh!...and by the way...the same situation results whether jobs are outsourced to "friendly" nations, or "less friendly" nations...the country where jobs are outsourced becomes an impotent third world toilet state with no democracy and no freedoms, and those whose people receive what were once good American jobs rapidly grow their national economy (ex:  China).

Within five years China, thanks to American stupidity and treason, will rule the globe, and noone will be able to question or resist the Greatest Economic Power and Greatest Military Power in the history of the world--CHINA!

Communist Marxist Dictatorship China.

Brought to you courtesy of the Rockefellers, the CFR, and the Trilateral Commission.


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Re: Outsourcing Jobs
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2007, 01:03:19 AM »
NO.  NO.  AND NO.

This is the reason we are facing a total meltdown of the American economy.

When profits a/k/a "the bottom line" are one's sole criteria for business, irregardless of the fact that one's actions damage national economy and erode national sovereignty, then I deem those individuals and corporations who make this their practice as traitorous and mentally ill.

All of you who think there is nothing wrong with "globalism" had better wake up and do it fast...read Time To Go Home by Rabbi Meir Kahane Nash Publishing Los Angeles 1972.

Notice the date of publication...1972.  Rabbi Kahane gave a detailed description of "globalism", "free trade", and "fiat currency"; succinctly predicting the total collapse of the United States, resulting in chaos and a new wave of Jew hatred which would quickly develop into the Final American Holocaust of the Jews.

If any of you are scoffing by now, perhaps thinking how much more you know about "business" than do I, all I can say is that you will be the last one laughing.

It's simple.
What is being "sold" to gullible people worldwide as "globalism", is nothing more than 21st Century Global Feudalism.
Businesses must constantly grow and show net profits, or go out of business.
When a business is unable to show profits, and rather than fold up, chooses to have Communist slave laborers do all their manufacturing for mere pennies in labor cost, and then import their production to sell at home, a chain reaction ensues...

The labor force and most of sub-management is forcibly unemployed.
These hard working and loyal people support local communities, pay the taxes necessary to maintain school systems and infrastructure, as well as buy items which sustain their other community members.  Their communities lose their tax base, resulting in slumping local economy and less ability to maintain standard amenities.
Some of the unemployed lose their homes, or their families split up from the stresses.

The "Outsourcers" bring back cheaply made Communist goods, and put them on the market, caring not a whit that their former employees no longer can afford to buy such things.

As the "outsourcing" trend continues, short-term profits skyrocket into the pockets of only the company owners.
All others are put out into the streets to fend for themselves.

Eventually this reaches a point (which is the point the U.S. finds itself in now) where a tiny minority have pocketed all of the nation's wealth, forcing into a permanent poverty and lower standard of living the entire labor force of a nation.

Today, the Federal Government releases reports on the state of our economy and GNP showing that "everything's great"...it is all lies and deceit.
The term "U.S. economy" now means only 1% of our population who have moved all of our machinery and production assets to a Communist Slave State, made obscene profits, and bankrupted the rest of their own nation.

Our government today calculates American GNP growth by factoring in all Communist Slave labor production as "American production and manufacturing!", then reports it as if America has grown its wealth and economy!
All a sham and a traitorous deceit.
In actual reality America is sinking as low as any filthy third world state, and the 1% who profited from causing it, have no love for their country, its people, history, or its values.

Soon the country is going to completely collapse from within.

The fat cats know it's coming, but they just plan on having their pilots fly them to another country in their private jets.

That's globalism...how do you like it?

End Result:  Feudal Corporate CEO Warlords with private armies living in total unparalleled luxury on walled estates, while 99% of the country is fighting, stealing, prostituting, selling drugs, and being imprisoned in the new global fiefdom where only the CEO has rights and all others are peons to be let die of violence, famine, and disease.

p.s.--oh!...and by the way...the same situation results whether jobs are outsourced to "friendly" nations, or "less friendly" nations...the country where jobs are outsourced becomes an impotent third world toilet state with no democracy and no freedoms, and those whose people receive what were once good American jobs rapidly grow their national economy (ex:  China).

Within five years China, thanks to American stupidity and treason, will rule the globe, and noone will be able to question or resist the Greatest Economic Power and Greatest Military Power in the history of the world--CHINA!

Communist Marxist Dictatorship China.

Brought to you courtesy of the Rockefellers, the CFR, and the Trilateral Commission.



To add to Massuh's points:

The "average national income" (currently 50K + per year) is a fraud. It makes us think the "average person" is earning 50K. It actually means that Bill Gates $100 mil' , plus G W Bush's 400K plus all the regular folks 10K, 15K and 25K incomes divided by the population = 50K!

Try earning 50K in a factory, retail store or wharehouse!

Finally, all the politicians focus solely on the economy and leave everything up to "market forces". This is OK except that we are a SOCIETY, not an economy. Market forces don't educate children, instill morals, care for the elderly or defend our culture.

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Re: Outsourcing Jobs
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2008, 04:21:30 AM »
I think some people on this web site are a tad lost about laissez faire capitalism.

sellers can charge whatever they want and buyers are free to choose to buy or walk away. America is about capitalism and the bottom line. there is nothing wrong with making a profit. it's this mentality that made the US the best country ever.

If I'm not mistaken America is the biggest beneficiary of outsourcing. By that I mean the the US gets more outsourced jobs then any other country.

Chaim Fan: there is alot to prices besides greed. the property tax a store owner pays and all the wonderful tariffs and taxes on items before they even reach the shelf are scary. if a pair of jeans sold for 50 cents in a 3rd world and they were selling for $50 here, then why haven't you or someone else undercut the greedy people by selling the jeans for 10 dollars?

This so called free trade is anything but free and globalism does suck. we are heading to the world government and the collectivists will have their way. hell on earth here we come :-(   

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2008, 11:39:32 PM »
Dealing with china is insane.

bill clinton is a piece of excrement for opening trade with the communist pigs. From what I've red though george bush has allowed for even more technological trade. total suicide.

true laissez faire capitalism has never existed in reality. The United States is the closest any country has come to it. The results speak for themselves. 

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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2008, 12:04:56 AM »
Patriot:  "...bill clinton is a piece of excrement for opening trade with the communist pigs..."

It was Republican President Richard M. Nixon and his Republican Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who first opened trade with Communist China.

Their policy was greatly expanded by Republican President George H.W. Bush, himself a former U.S. Ambassador to Red China, as well as a former CIA Chief.

Prior to that policy, the U.S. had long carried on trade with the U.S.S.R. and the Communist Eastern Bloc countries.

Under Republican President Ronald Reagan, the U.S.A. moved from being the world's #1 Creditor Nation, to being the world's #1 Debtor Nation, during which time Japan's industries decimated the American industrial base.

By the time of the Clinton Presidency, the only Communist nation left to "open" was Cuba.  Clinton merely expanded on the policies of his predecessors, moving from insanity and suicide to outright treason.

Credit should be given where credit is due.

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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2008, 03:07:35 AM »
Fair enough MassuhDGoodName.

I'm somewhat more knowledgeable about economic theory then outright political history.

I'm a big Reagan fan so dont diss my hero too much please.

The typical response about the Reagan budget is that he was hamstrung with a democratic congress. The prez can veto but not spend a dime. I'm thank full for the gippers exuberant spending on national defence.


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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2008, 07:19:36 AM »
Patriot:  "...I'm a big Reagan fan..."

President Reagan restored America's belief in its own vision.

He was optimistic, straightforward in his statements, a great humorist, and commanded respect.

To become an executive with limited powers, saddled with 200 years of previous ongoing policies, it is simply not possible to remake the entire nation as one might prefer; at best such a leader can only make changes which help to steer the ship of state in a different direction. 

Compared to the idiots in Washington now, we sure could use a truly "Presidential" Presidency again.

I think that being President of the U.S.A. is possibly the worst possible job employment situation.  There are "no days off", prolonged unbearable stress, and the unrewarding task of somehow holding together thousands of political factions, each with their own agendas.

Reagan, the former ultra-liberal and "B"-Grade Hollywood actor, more than rose to the occasion.

Achieving success in show business is one of the most difficult career paths in which to succeed.  Those who do generally (at least in times past) have learned a great deal about the flaws and evils inherent in human nature, understand group behavior, and value charisma, image, and reputation.  They also recognize that  their "stardom" depends on the quality of their personal management, staff, and public relations.  Ronald Reagan utilized his background, personality, and charisma to great success.

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2008, 07:49:48 AM »
Yes, but only under three conditions:

1: The same labor laws apply overseas as they do here. This includes minimum wage.
2: The same taxes plus a labor export tax apply to foreign employees.
3: An equal number of jobs are outsourced from that country back here to compensate for the loss of work.

A company should be able to outsource for quality if they don't want affirmative action morons running their shop, but should not be able to outsource just for price so they can reduce American jobs.
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2008, 08:07:31 PM »
I'll tell you though, for people in L America and SE Asia who are supposed to lean socialist they do care little about their workers.

   This is a right for American workers and not foreign workers. The whole purpose of this clause is to discourage companies from cutting American jobs just because foreigners can be paid less. If they need to outsource for quality, that is a different story. Sadly enough, we are faced with the choice of affirmative action vs. loss of American jobs. In both cases, decent human beings lose their jobs.
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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2008, 12:55:48 AM »
i liked Hunter but didnt agree with his protectionism.

not dealing with china at all would be great. it would also mean the mexicans can stay where they are for low paying jobs :-)

placing tarrifs on imports to match the ones those countries have on American exports is not a good idea. Protectionism is bad news.

If American companies can lower costs by having another country provide a good/service this good for the US. lower costs is either lower prices or money to grow with.

The scope of this subject goes well beyond a few post in a thread. sorry if I'm doing a poor job explaining myself.



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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2008, 02:47:28 AM »
i liked Hunter but didnt agree with his protectionism.

not dealing with china at all would be great. it would also mean the mexicans can stay where they are for low paying jobs :-)

placing tarrifs on imports to match the ones those countries have on American exports is not a good idea. Protectionism is bad news.

If American companies can lower costs by having another country provide a good/service this good for the US. lower costs is either lower prices or money to grow with.

The scope of this subject goes well beyond a few post in a thread. sorry if I'm doing a poor job explaining myself.






STOP CALLING HUNTER'S POSITION PROTECTIONISM.  SIMILARLY TO LOU DOBBS, HE'S FOR FAIR TRADE.

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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2008, 03:28:19 PM »
Maybe the strong stable currency was a result of no federal reserve. hoovers time was about 10 years after the fed came and stole Americas sovereignty.

What kind of pro protectionist stuff are you reading Cherubim?

I'm an Austrian economics type of guy and have been led to believe protectionism is detrimental. 

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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2008, 06:12:46 PM »
Maybe the strong stable currency was a result of no federal reserve. hoovers time was about 10 years after the fed came and stole Americas sovereignty.

What kind of pro protectionist stuff are you reading Cherubim?

I'm an Austrian economics type of guy and have been led to believe protectionism is detrimental. 

Doing any trade deal without regarding what the argrement involves is dumb.

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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2008, 09:42:34 AM »
I believe hitler was for fair trade too lol

sorry I couldnt resist that


i liked Hunter but didnt agree with his protectionism.

not dealing with china at all would be great. it would also mean the mexicans can stay where they are for low paying jobs :-)

placing tarrifs on imports to match the ones those countries have on American exports is not a good idea. Protectionism is bad news.

If American companies can lower costs by having another country provide a good/service this good for the US. lower costs is either lower prices or money to grow with.

The scope of this subject goes well beyond a few post in a thread. sorry if I'm doing a poor job explaining myself.






STOP CALLING HUNTER'S POSITION PROTECTIONISM.  SIMILARLY TO LOU DOBBS, HE'S FOR FAIR TRADE.

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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2008, 02:54:57 PM »
I think you mean "free trade."