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wonderfulgoy:
Come on folks, I have not read much discussion of this in the forums.

I mean, you'd think that someone would have to be very messed up in the head to want to take on the burden of Jewish alienation among gentiles.  Then again, the establishment of Israel is a place where many proselytes have gone and feel welcome in their own nation.

'It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship.

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traditional Judaism maintains that a person is a Jew if his mother is a Jew, regardless of who his father is. The liberal movements, on the other hand, consider a person to be Jewish if either of his parents was Jewish and the child was raised Jewish. Thus, if the child of a Jewish father and a Christian mother is raised Jewish, the child is a Jew according to the Reform movement, but not according to the Orthodox movement. On the other hand, if the child of a Christian father and a Jewish mother is not raised Jewish, the child is a Jew according to the Orthodox movement, but not according to the Reform movement! '

http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

Shlomo:
A convert is just as Jewish as any born Jew. Some of our greatest Torah sages were descended from converts, including the legendary Rabbi Akiva. King David would not have been Jewish if his grandmother, Ruth, had not been a convert.

Furthermore, the Midrash contends that a genuine convert is more precious in G-d's eyes than one who was born Jewish. Why? Because one born of a Jewish mother had no choice in the matter. Says the Midrash, one who does make that conscious, deliberate choice to embrace the G-d of Abraham despite the unique unpopularity of the Children of Abraham, is someone worthy of G-d's special love.

[more info]
http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article.asp?AID=385671
http://www.jewishmag.com/10MAG/DT/dt.htm

Shlomo:

--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on September 04, 2006, 09:35:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: jeffguy on September 04, 2006, 09:33:07 PM ---A convert is just as Jewish as any born Jew. Some of our greatest Torah sages were descended from converts, including the legendary Rabbi Akiva. King David would not have been Jewish if his grandmother, Ruth, had not been a convert.
--- End quote ---


Not true. Ruth was the mother of his grandfather. King David's mother is not from Ruth.


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Interesting... you are very knowlegable, Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim. I trust what you say.

Why do they always say she was his grandmother then?

El Cabong!:
Why do you say that Judaism is a religion so disdained by gentiles that they would only consider it in order to marry a Jewish woman?
Why are you saying that we disdain the Jewish religion. What kind of stupid statement is that?

MassuhDGoodName:
Re:  "Converts to Judaism"

My favorite is Sammy Davis Jr.

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