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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2009, 11:33:11 AM »
those babas, mutilations stuff are not part of Hinduism, What the babas want to do, they are free do it.. Hindu's do not object to people having faith in G-d in any way they can. What you had written in my youtube profile was that only Christianity leads to heaven and G-d, which i dont think any Jewish member on this board will ever support. If you think what we are doing is wrong, then thats your problem, not ours.

But anyways, You havent answered my earlier question.

Many famous Rabbi's have come to India and appreciated the spirituality they have seen here in India with their own eyes, Care to read reports of Hindu-Jewish summits. So i dont want certificates issued from evangelists about our culture. We will gladly accept any thing coming from the Jewish Rabbis, since they have the original message of the G-d, and hence much closer to him.
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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2009, 11:33:43 AM »
Superstitions are common in every uneducated class .
Rubystars, I think you ignore some other trends going on in India, such as producing huge numbers of high quality engineers and scientist every year.

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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2009, 12:09:43 PM »
Rubystarts, You have a valid point about protecting Christians' rights in India, but  I think you are patronizing over the Hindus. Moreover there is no point entering into religious debates. Now the fact is that India is steadily progressing and in a generation it will become an economic and technological superpower on par with Japan and Germany.

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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2009, 12:15:46 PM »
Rubystarts, You have a valid point about protecting Christians' rights in India, but  I think you are patronizing over the Hindus. Moreover there is no point entering into religious debates. Now the fact is that India is steadily progressing and in a generation it will become an economic and technological superpower on par with Japan and Germany.

Japan maybe, Germany is unfortunately dying unless it pushes back against the Muslim hordes.

As I said there is a MASSIVE population in India. I think this is why Chaim is determined to ally with them, plus the fact that the world would be more secure if India were to swallow Pakistan. To get all the Hindu nationalists to ally with JTF would give JTF a massive numbers boost, and I understand that. I just don't think we can trust them to be real allies.

They're better than Muslims, but only slightly in my opinion. In many ways they look exactly the same to me, degenerate and third world.

I know that Pakistan being taken over by Hindus would be better than the current situation, but a much better solution would be for both countries to embrace the Bible.
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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2009, 12:22:10 PM »
Rubystars:
"In a population as large as that of India, there are bound to be a lot of geniuses just by the odds of probability. It doesn't mean their culture is a good one or especially conducive to producing geniuses"

So with such huge population there is also a probability that there will also be a lot of people being superstitious, isnt it? And hence you cant term the culture bad and evil.

Rubystars:
"I think if everyone in India, Pakistan, and other countries outside of Israel followed the Biblical G-d that we'd have a truly wonderful worldwide society of peace and prosperity and high civilization. I don't think Pakistan should be Hindu, it should be Christian! Why transfer from one degenerate evil third world culture to another?"

The Roman Catholic church was saying it was following the Bible, and we saw the result of increase in Fascist forces who started anti-semitism, killed and butchered thousands of Serbian Orthodox Christians who themself were following bible. And please dont even get be started on the conflict between Protestants and Catholic institutes. Also please stop the rubbish of calling India a third world, the fascist colonial british forces who ruled us for 200 yrs and Muslims who ruled for 800 yrs robbed us of our wealth. You have more problems in the west rather than the third world. Mexico, South America..etc Most of the third world problem is attributed to Islamic countires here. Only Hindu Nationalists have shown the will to fight them.

Rubystars:
"I don't think there should be a "Christian political party" because everyone in the country should be a Christian anyway so all the political parties by default would be Christian"

this was your post on my channel "There ought to be a government of Indian Christians in India with the population converting en masse to a Bible-based religion. Hinduism is evil and shouldn't be anyone's religion. Christianity is the way to heaven. Christianity is the way that India can step away from horrific mutilation practices and give up sickness such as drinking urine and worshipping monkeys and rats. Such practices are degrading to human beings. Christianity is uplifting to human beings"


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"If you want the world to take you seriously as a first world nation maybe you can tell your people to stop hanging off the outside of moving trains and stop drinking cow pee and worshipping animals."

We dont want any body to take us seriously, we want every one to recognize that we all are facing the same evil, that is Islam.



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« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2009, 12:30:40 PM »
This forum is not an online meat market.  If you want to get to know Rubystars, ask her questions that aren't so personal.  And then if the two of you want to take it a step further, you can private message each other or email each other, and then exchange pictures if you like.  But asking women on the internet whom you've never met about their weight is not nice. 

That is why I am scared to stat one of these threads. lol.
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« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2009, 12:30:55 PM »
Japan maybe, Germany is unfortunately dying unless it pushes back against the Muslim hordes.

As I said there is a MASSIVE population in India. I think this is why Chaim is determined to ally with them, plus the fact that the world would be more secure if India were to swallow Pakistan. To get all the Hindu nationalists to ally with JTF would give JTF a massive numbers boost, and I understand that. I just don't think we can trust them to be real allies.

They're better than Muslims, but only slightly in my opinion. In many ways they look exactly the same to me, degenerate and third world.

I know that Pakistan being taken over by Hindus would be better than the current situation, but a much better solution would be for both countries to embrace the Bible.
Please read the recent surveys conducted in Israel, and not surveys conducted by Missionary organisations. India is presently the most supportive country in the world to Israel. Isnt it a shame that none of the Bible believing nation topped the chart when it came to supporting Israel?

"They're better than Muslims, but only slightly in my opinion. In many ways they look exactly the same to me, degenerate and third world"
Ok thank you, It is not in my culture to make statements against any ones race..

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« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2009, 12:33:06 PM »
This forum is not an online meat market.  If you want to get to know Rubystars, ask her questions that aren't so personal.  And then if the two of you want to take it a step further, you can private message each other or email each other, and then exchange pictures if you like.  But asking women on the internet whom you've never met about their weight is not nice. 

That is why I am scared to stat one of these threads. lol.

You don't have to answer anything you don't want to. I think that person was just joking with me anyway so it was ok.
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« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2009, 12:39:07 PM »
This forum is not an online meat market.  If you want to get to know Rubystars, ask her questions that aren't so personal.  And then if the two of you want to take it a step further, you can private message each other or email each other, and then exchange pictures if you like.  But asking women on the internet whom you've never met about their weight is not nice. 

That is why I am scared to stat one of these threads. lol.

You don't have to answer anything you don't want to. I think that person was just joking with me anyway so it was ok.

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« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2009, 12:43:28 PM »
HZ Thanks for reposting my message so people can see what I actually wrote.

Yes there have been Christian atrocities through history. Nobody is denying that. However on the other hand Christian philosophy itself says to share the gospel with people, not to force them to accept it, and not to kill people who disagree on doctrine. In fact the Scriptures speak against that kind of thing.

All missionaries in India are supposed to do is to share the message of the Bible. Then the people should have the choice to embrace or reject it. Many people have never really heard what it's all about though, so they haven't even been given a real choice. I think India would be better off as a Christian nation, and so would Pakistan. I don't want to force people to accept it though. I do think they would be better for it though.

I disagree with coercive techniques or immoral behavior.

You say the practices of different types of Hindus have nothing to do with Hinduism, so I think it's fair for me to say that some of the crazy things done by the RCC and other churches have nothing to do with real Christianity since you deny the rat temple and babas.Christianity is supposed to spread brotherhood and love and not destruction and murder.

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So with such huge population there is also a probability that there will also be a lot of people being superstitious, isnt it? And hence you cant term the culture bad and evil.

What portions of Hinduism do you consider superstitious? What about the idea that cow urine has benefits? You seem to believe in that one.


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Also please stop the rubbish of calling India a third world, the fascist colonial british forces who ruled us for 200 yrs and Muslims who ruled for 800 yrs robbed us of our wealth. You have more problems in the west rather than the third world. Mexico, South America..etc Most of the third world problem is attributed to Islamic countires here. Only Hindu Nationalists have shown the will to fight them.

When the British ruled India they considered Indians as savages, and I'm sure it's because of some of the horrible things they saw at the time in India such as widow burning, which they very righteously put a stop to. They dressed strictly in stifling British clothing despite the heat of India because they didn't want to associate themselves with the degenerate and primitive culture they found there. To "go native" was shameful.

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We dont want any body to take us seriously, we want every one to recognize that we all are facing the same evil, that is Islam.

Islam is worse, I'll agree with that much.
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« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2009, 01:29:18 PM »
By the way HZ I wanted to apologize for being unclear in one of my posts. When I said Hindus and Muslims looked the same to me in many ways, I wasn't referring to race or actual appearance. I was referring to the degenerate nature of the religions and the cultures that accompany them. If I had something racially against Indians then why would I care what was being done to Indian Christians? I love Indian Christians.
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« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2009, 01:30:25 PM »
Amazed to know that you consider RCC's mass murder with Baba's and rat temples as same thing.. Kudos to you!

Missionaries in India come from Church bodies in America and Europe, but its actually a shame that they cannot do anything to stop a Sin City from blooming in America and not able to save Europe from thousands of Christian youths who have applied for debaptization. When one cannot even convince their own people with the message of gospel, how will they convince others.

widow burning happened among those without any religious values, The cases were all exaggerated by the British to convince the world that Indians require British rule. Hindus have produced many Warrior women and Women have ruled many Kingdoms in India alone in our epic historical heritage. Colonial Britishers brought liquors,opium,strip clubs,prostitution..etc. Many other British indologists who started learning Indian culture, fell in love with it.

Thousands of years of history between the Jews and Hindus, Never did the Jews call us savages, nor did they saw anything savage in us. It is only the missionaries with their lie,cheat,money,claims of miracles.. tried to lure the poor tribal hindus of India.

abt Cow urine, if some one drinks it and says it helps him/her.. Then its upto him. People have some thing called free will. Unless we dont force it upon others, i think it is alright.

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« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2009, 01:34:49 PM »
By the way HZ I wanted to apologize for being unclear in one of my posts. When I said Hindus and Muslims looked the same to me in many ways, I wasn't referring to race or actual appearance. I was referring to the degenerate nature of the religions and the cultures that accompany them. If I had something racially against Indians then why would I care what was being done to Indian Christians? I love Indian Christians.
I am glad you like Indian Christians. I hope you know that Indian Christians do celebrate Hindu festivals, and lot of Indian Churches also put up things like "Best Wishes for Everyone for the Festival of Lights during Diwali" , Also i hope you know that Christians in India support Muslims in India and a Pro-Arab government in India.

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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2009, 01:43:43 PM »
Amazed to know that you consider RCC's mass murder with Baba's and rat temples as same thing.. Kudos to you!

On JTF I've spoken many times about how I am also angry at the RCC for what they had done. I'm not a Catholic, and I don't agree with the majority of the things the RCC has done in history. I don't think most Catholics today are bad people, in fact I think most of them are good. However, the RCC I do have a big problem with and this is something that both of us could agree on.

Their atrocities of the past also murdered many good Christian people as well as those of other faiths. I don't believe that these types of things are in line with real Christian values which are supposed to be about love.

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Missionaries in India come from Church bodies in America and Europe, but its actually a shame that they cannot do anything to stop a Sin City from blooming in America and not able to save Europe from thousands of Christian youths who have applied for debaptization. When one cannot even convince their own people with the message of gospel, how will they convince others.

There are also groups working in America and but right that there have been a lot of major failures here. I think Americans are becoming degenerate too and giving up their Biblical values and I hate to see it.

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widow burning happened among those without any religious values, The cases were all exaggerated by the British to convince the world that Indians require British rule. Hindus have produced many Warrior women and Women have ruled many Kingdoms in India alone in our epic historical heritage. Colonial Britishers brought liquors,opium,strip clubs,prostitution..etc. Many other British indologists who started learning Indian culture, fell in love with it.

Indians also were the original "thugs".

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Thousands of years of history between the Jews and Hindus, Never did the Jews call us savages, nor did they saw anything savage in us. It is only the missionaries with their lie,cheat,money,claims of miracles.. tried to lure the poor tribal hindus of India.

I don't agree with coercive tactics. I think people should share the gospel in an honest way and let people decide what to follow.

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abt Cow urine, if some one drinks it and says it helps him/her.. Then its upto him. People have some thing called free will. Unless we dont force it upon others, i think it is alright.

It's disgusting.

I am glad you like Indian Christians. I hope you know that Indian Christians do celebrate Hindu festivals, and lot of Indian Churches also put up things like "Best Wishes for Everyone for the Festival of Lights during Diwali" , Also i hope you know that Christians in India support Muslims in India and a Pro-Arab government in India.

They need to give up all those Hindu festivals if they're going to be Christians. I've heard of this, the hardship in getting them to actually follow Christianity once they "convert". Apparently some just add Jesus as one more avatar in the pantheon and go right on being Hindu otherwise. If they continue to celebrate the festivals they ought to at least attach Christian meaning to it.

Maybe they hook up with the Muslims because Hindus try to kill them both. Of course I wish they wouldn't do this, as Muslims are horrible.
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« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2009, 01:56:29 PM »
Ok so you have to understand here Rubystars, that the RCC works round the clock to promote Christianity in India. People who have blood on their own hands cannot preach the gospel. I would accept a Christian body in India on two conditions, First i want them to fix their own nations, then they can come here. What is wrong in this statement of mine? I only want those missionaries to concentrate their energies more on saving those nations which require its help the most. Secondly they should not call out destruction of Temples in India.

Infact BJP have had a Catholic Politician in their ministry, look for "George Fernandes" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Fernandes
He was a Defence Minister of India under the ruling coalition of BJP.

There are many Christians in India who like BJP, but due to Socialist political party - Islamic propaganda, the numbers maybe be falling.


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« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2009, 03:34:02 PM »
Interesting discussion.

Personally I couldn't care one jot whether Indians are Christians or Hindus, it's their business not mine, and unlike our Muslim friends they have no designs whatsoever on my life style.

However, the viciousness of the Indian caste system was the equal of anything imposed by the British, and was the reason why they fitted so well into S. Africa as an administrative class, imported from India into the sugar plantations of Natal, to be positioned between the British and the blacks. It is also the reason why in later years they were for the most part content enough under Apartheid. It is also a fact that the most serious of racial feelings in Africa have traditionally been not between whites and blacks, but between Indians and blacks.

Let's not generalise about the British. The British Empire, despite being the largest the world has ever known, and second only to the Roman Empire in terms of developing and spreading European culture, was in fact run by only about 30 upper-class families. I can confidently state that my UK ancestors in the first half of the 1800's probably included six-year old child labourers working night and day down mines, deep underground from where I am sitting in comfort writing this, while shackled by their shoulders to coal trucks. They never exploited anyone.

There is a lesson here also for our poor exploited black brethren, with their absurd claims for compensation for slavery. They also should learn a little history, preferably in simple terms so they can understand.
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« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2009, 10:55:06 PM »
Ok so you have to understand here Rubystars, that the RCC works round the clock to promote Christianity in India. People who have blood on their own hands cannot preach the gospel.

I think that you have a point that the way they go about doing things is wrong. If what you say is true about coercive methods and such (and I believe you because you're there and I'm not) then I think that they should stop doing it that way.

I don't think it's loving or kind to anyone to try to trick people into changing their religion or to hurt people in any way if they decide not to. Each person's religion is something that they should choose freely and without coercion.

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I would accept a Christian body in India on two conditions, First i want them to fix their own nations, then they can come here.

I want that more than you know.

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What is wrong in this statement of mine? I only want those missionaries to concentrate their energies more on saving those nations which require its help the most. Secondly they should not call out destruction of Temples in India.

I agree with you that they shouldn't destroy temples in India. They should follow their own religion and not hurt people who choose to follow a different one. Of course I believe they should share the gospel with them but if they reject it then that should be the end of the discussion.

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Infact BJP have had a Catholic Politician in their ministry, look for "George Fernandes" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Fernandes
He was a Defence Minister of India under the ruling coalition of BJP.

There are many Christians in India who like BJP, but due to Socialist political party - Islamic propaganda, the numbers maybe be falling.

I've got to give you a lot of credit HZ. Any time I've agitated a Muslim this much, they've pulled out the death threats, but you're still being gentlemanly and speaking in an intelligent way. So I think that you at least are much better than a Muslim. I'm worry about some of the fanatics though.
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« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2009, 10:58:04 PM »
Carreg during the Industrial revolution I think conditions for the poor were especially horrible and definitely were comparable to slavery in severity. On the other hand the Industrial revolution eventually led to the conveniences of modern life. Maybe that was an example of God taking something bad and turning it around for good in the end.
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« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2009, 01:17:16 PM »
They cannot share the gospel and at the same time support a socialist government which is against the biblical land of Israel. It is just insane.

About Hindu nationalists being fanatic, well you say that India should become a Christian Nation, which tells me you want all Hindus,Buddhists,Sikhs,Parsis,jains to convert to Christianity...as you think we all are immoral and savages. So who is being fanatic?

Again, the theory of India must become a Christian nation, is completely flawed. There is not one christian denomination in India which can prove its worth. what RCC does is opposed by Protestants and what Protestants do is brushed aside by followers of RCC. Anyways, hasnt Jesus himself told his disciples "Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division."



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« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2009, 04:13:55 PM »
They cannot share the gospel and at the same time support a socialist government which is against the biblical land of Israel. It is just insane.

About Hindu nationalists being fanatic, well you say that India should become a Christian Nation, which tells me you want all Hindus,Buddhists,Sikhs,Parsis,jains to convert to Christianity...as you think we all are immoral and savages. So who is being fanatic?

Again, the theory of India must become a Christian nation, is completely flawed. There is not one christian denomination in India which can prove its worth. what RCC does is opposed by Protestants and what Protestants do is brushed aside by followers of RCC. Anyways, hasnt Jesus himself told his disciples "Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division."

Jesus knew that his ideas were radical, and that Christians would be hated and persecuted.

From what you tell me about Christians in India the whole thing seems really messed up and not a lot like the Christianity I know.

Here's the thing, to me, I think Hinduism is a false religion, so I can't really be expected to support a Hindu India.
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« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2009, 04:18:10 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2009, 04:22:06 PM »
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I like your posts Rubystars.
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« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2009, 06:33:49 PM »
Thanks PZ and Carreg. I might have gone a little overboard in some posts though. Not all Hindus are savages. I just think that it's degrading to honor animals like cows when you could honor the one who created all the animals and people.

I provoked HZ by posting on his Zootube page so that's why the conversation came here.
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« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2009, 09:15:45 PM »
I honor cows every time I go to Wendy's.

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I honor cows every time I go to Wendy's.