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Iran plans to knock out U.S. with 1 nuclear bomb
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Iran plans to knock out U.S. with 1 nuclear bomb

Joseph Farah - Aug 25, 2008
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WASHINGTON -- Iran is not only covertly developing nuclear weapons, it is already testing ballistic missiles specifically designed to destroy America's technical infrastructure, effectively neutralizing the world's lone superpower, say U.S. intelligence sources, top scientists and western missile industry experts.

The radical Shiite regime has conducted successful tests to determine if its Shahab-3 ballistic missiles, capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, can be detonated by a remote-control device while still in high-altitude flight.

Scientists, including President Reagan's top science adviser, William R. Graham, say there is no other explanation for such tests than preparation for the deployment of electromagnetic pulse weapons – even one of which could knock out America's critical electrical and technological infrastructure, effectively sending the continental U.S. back to the 19th century with a recovery time of months or years.

Iran will have that capability – at least theoretically – as soon as it has one nuclear bomb ready to arm such a missile. North Korea, a strategic ally of Iran, already boasts such capability.

The stunning report was first published over the weekend in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter published by WND's founder.

Just last month, Congress heard testimony about the use of such weapons and the threat they pose from rogue regimes.

Iran has surprised intelligence analysts by describing the mid-flight detonations of missiles fired from ships on the Caspian Sea as "successful" tests. Even primitive Scud missiles could be used for this purpose. And top U.S. intelligence officials reminded members of Congress that there is a glut of these missiles on the world market. They are currently being bought and sold for about $100,000 apiece.

"A terrorist organization might have trouble putting a nuclear warhead 'on target' with a Scud, but it would be much easier to simply launch and detonate in the atmosphere," wrote Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz., in the Washington Post a week ago. "No need for the risk and difficulty of trying to smuggle a nuclear weapon over the border or hit a particular city. Just launch a cheap missile from a freighter in international waters – al-Qaida is believed to own about 80 such vessels – and make sure to get it a few miles in the air."

The Iranian missile tests were more sophisticated and capable of detonation at higher elevations – making them more dangerous.

Detonated at a height of 60 to 500 kilometers above the continental U.S., one nuclear warhead could cripple the country – knocking out electrical power and circuit boards and rendering the U.S. domestic communications impotent.

While Iran still insists officially in talks currently underway with the European Union that it is only developing nuclear power for peaceful civilian purposes, the mid-flight detonation missile tests persuade U.S. military planners and intelligence agencies that Tehran can only be planning such an attack, which depends on the availability of at least one nuclear warhead.

Some analysts believe the stage of Iranian missile developments suggests Iranian scientists will move toward the production of weapons-grade nuclear material shortly as soon as its nuclear reactor in Busher is operative.

Jerome Corsi, author of "Atomic Iran," told WorldNetDaily the new findings about Iran's electromagnetic pulse experiments significantly raise the stakes of the mullah regime's bid to become a nuclear power.

"Up until now, I believed the nuclear threat to the U.S. from Iran was limited to the ability of terrorists to penetrate the borders or port security to deliver a device to a major city," he said. "While that threat should continue to be a grave concern for every American, these tests by Iran demonstrate just how devious the fanatical mullahs in Tehran are. We are facing a clever and unscrupulous adversary in Iran that could bring America to its knees."

Earlier this week, Iran's top nuclear official said Europe must heed an Iranian proposal on uranium enrichment or risk a collapse of the talks.

The warning by Hassan Rowhani, head of the Supreme National Security Council, came as diplomats from Britain, France and Germany began talks with their Iranian counterparts in Geneva, ahead of a more senior-level meeting in London set for April 29. Enrichment produces fuel for nuclear reactors, which can also be used in the explosive core of nuclear bombs.

"The Europeans should tell us whether these ideas can work as the basis for continued negotiations or not," Rowhani said, referring to the Iranian proposal put forward last month that would allow some uranium enrichment. "If yes, fine. If not, then the negotiations cannot continue," he said.

Some analysts believe Iran is using the negotiations merely to buy time for further development of the nuclear program.

The U.S. plans, according to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, to allow the EU talks to continue before deciding this summer to push for United Nations sanctions against Iran.

Last month, the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security chaired by Kyl, held a hearing on the electromagnetic pulse, or EMP, threat.

"An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack on the American homeland, said one of the distinguished scientists who testified at the hearing, is one of only a few ways that the United States could be defeated by its enemies – terrorist or otherwise," wrote Kyl "And it is probably the easiest. A single Scud missile, carrying a single nuclear weapon, detonated at the appropriate altitude, would interact with the Earth's atmosphere, producing an electromagnetic pulse radiating down to the surface at the speed of light. Depending on the location and size of the blast, the effect would be to knock out already stressed power grids and other electrical systems across much or even all of the continental United States, for months if not years."

The purpose of an EMP attack, unlike a nuclear attack on land, is not to kill people, but "to kill electrons," as Graham explained. He serves as chairman of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse Attack and was director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy and science adviser to the president during the Reagan administration.

Graham told WorldNetDaily he could think of no other reason for Iran to be experimenting with mid-air detonation of missiles than for the planning of an EMP-style attack.

"EMP offers a bigger bang for the buck," he said. He also suggested such an attack makes a U.S. nuclear response against a suspected enemy less likely than would the detonation of a nuclear bomb in a major U.S. city.

A 2004 report by the commission found "several potential adversaries have or can acquire the capability to attack the United States with a high-altitude nuclear weapons-generated electromagnetic pulse (EMP). A determined adversary can achieve an EMP attack capability without having a high level of sophistication."

"EMP is one of a small number of threats that can hold our society at risk of catastrophic consequences," the report said. "EMP will cover the wide geographic region within line of sight to the nuclear weapon. It has the capability to produce significant damage to critical infrastructures and thus to the very fabric of U.S. society, as well as to the ability of the United States and Western nations to project influence and military power."

The major impact of EMP weapons is on electronics, "so pervasive in all aspects of our society and military, coupled through critical infrastructures," explained the report.

"Their effects on systems and infrastructures dependent on electricity and electronics could be sufficiently ruinous as to qualify as catastrophic to the nation," Lowell Wood, acting chairman of the commission, told members of Congress.

The commission report went so far as to suggest, in its opening sentence, that an EMP attack "might result in the defeat of our military forces."

"Briefly, a single nuclear weapon exploded at high altitude above the United States will interact with the Earth's atmosphere, ionosphere and magnetic field to produce an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) radiation down to the Earth and additionally create electrical currents in the Earth," said the report. "EMP effects are both direct and indirect. The former are due to electrical systems, and the latter arise from the damage that 'shocked' – upset, damaged and destroyed – electronics controls then inflict on the systems in which they are embedded. The indirect effects can be even more severe than the direct effects."

The EMP threat is not a new one considered by U.S. defense planners. The Soviet Union had experimented with the idea as a kind of super-weapon against the U.S.

"What is different now is that some potential sources of EMP threats are difficult to deter – they can be terrorist groups that have no state identity, have only one or a few weapons and are motivated to attack the U.S. without regard for their own safety," explains the commission report. "Rogue states, such as North Korea and Iran, may also be developing the capability to pose an EMP threat to the United States and may also be unpredictable and difficult to deter."

Graham describes the potential "cascading effect" of an EMP attack. If electrical power is knocked out and circuit boards fried, telecommunications are disrupted, energy deliveries are impeded, the financial system breaks down, food, water and gasoline become scarce.

As Kyl put it: "Few if any people would die right away. But the loss of power would have a cascading effect on all aspects of U.S. society. Communication would be largely impossible. Lack of refrigeration would leave food rotting in warehouses, exacerbated by a lack of transportation as those vehicles still working simply ran out of gas (which is pumped with electricity). The inability to sanitize and distribute water would quickly threaten public health, not to mention the safety of anyone in the path of the inevitable fires, which would rage unchecked. And as we have seen in areas of natural and other disasters, such circumstances often result in a fairly rapid breakdown of social order."

"American society has grown so dependent on computer and other electrical systems that we have created our own Achilles' heel of vulnerability, ironically much greater than those of other, less developed nations," the senator wrote. "When deprived of power, we are in many ways helpless, as the New York City blackout made clear. In that case, power was restored quickly because adjacent areas could provide help. But a large-scale burnout caused by a broad EMP attack would create a much more difficult situation. Not only would there be nobody nearby to help, it could take years to replace destroyed equipment."

The commission said hardening key infrastructure systems and procuring vital backup equipment such as transformers is both feasible and – compared with the threat – relatively inexpensive.

"But it will take leadership by the Department of Homeland Security, the Defense Department, and other federal agencies, along with support from Congress, all of which have yet to materialize," wrote Kyl, so far the only elected official blowing the whistle this alarming development.

Kyl concluded in his report: "The Sept. 11 commission report stated that our biggest failure was one of 'imagination.' No one imagined that terrorists would do what they did on Sept. 11. Today few Americans can conceive of the possibility that terrorists could bring our society to its knees by destroying everything we rely on that runs on electricity. But this time we've been warned, and we'd better be prepared to respond."

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Re: Iran plans to knock out U.S. with 1 nuclear bomb
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2008, 01:47:38 AM »
That's nice, apparently the US gov't isn't worried. So.... ::)

The problem is, us normal people know that Iran is a threat. Now, tell that to the gov't.

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Re: Iran plans to knock out U.S. with 1 nuclear bomb
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2008, 01:55:56 AM »
That's nice, apparently the US gov't isn't worried. So.... ::)

The problem is, us normal people know that Iran is a threat. Now, tell that to the gov't.

The government knows, but are they willing to strike first? I wonder.

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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2008, 09:18:54 AM »
Nope....  They'll use Israel as their proxy like Iran and Hizbollah.  Once Israel, G-d willing, nukes Iran off the map....all the Jew haters will be at our throats as we are again showing our control of the world and our expansionist intentions towards the poor Mohammadans... 

Either that or the Establishment will use this Iranian "threat" as a pretext to "justify" the division and parceling up Israel to the Mohammadan, Vatican and Russians in the name of "Peace"....and Middle East "Prosparity"....

my two cents...
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Re: Iran plans to knock out U.S. with 1 nuclear bomb
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2008, 05:29:48 PM »
What kind of atom bomb do the Iranians have? And what is required for a EMP bomb? 10 kton TNT or mega ? giga? ??
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2008, 06:10:49 PM »
What kind of atom bomb do the Iranians have? And what is required for a EMP bomb? 10 kton TNT or mega ? giga? ??

Shalom Ambiorix, I do not know what kinds of bombs the Iranain's have, however I do know that Muslims lie as easily as they breath.
When the Iranians have the bomb, they will not tell us, but they will send it over STAT to the USA or Israel.
No warning will be given, just like on 9/11.
Best to get rid of Iran first, if not we will be the victims.

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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2008, 08:51:35 AM »
ONCE again :  how powerful can their bombs be, and, in the event of a atmosferical blast, how much of the USA can really "de-electronify"?

Do they need plutonium to make an A-bomb? Do they have this?
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2008, 09:16:51 AM »
ONCE again :  how powerful can their bombs be, and, in the event of a atmosferical blast, how much of the USA can really "de-electronify"?

Do they need plutonium to make an A-bomb? Do they have this?
I honestly do not believe one bomb could take out America.  If anything, one would wake America up from its "politically correct" multicultural "globalist" stupor. 

They need uranium to make an atomic bomb.  I don't believe the Plutoniam bombs of the past are as powerful as the Atomic...  Than again, I'm no Einstein.  I believe that they have the capabilities via their Chinese/Russian Shehab 3 billistic missile to deliver a punch to Israel and any of the surrounding "American Friendly" Turd World nations.  I do not believe that they've the capacity to send one that will reach American shores.  If anything, It will be smuggled in via one of Bush's inept sellout deals via the ports or some shipping company....  Or perhaps an airline showing their tolerance for embracing diversity....if it will be an American/Western airline.  Hell, with our total capitulation to the Mohammadan and Communist, I'd not be surprized if Saudi Air, Air Afganistan or even Iranian Air flies direct into JFK...

Oh, to answer your question about the plutonium or uranium needed to make a bomb was, will be, supplied by one of the Communist nations like China, Russia or North Korea albeit I will not be surprized at all if France aids them or via third party America/Britian themselves. 

Those who have studied history and don't want it to be repeated will ask why America has funded, aided, armed and fed all of their enemies since around 1914....?  Why has Clinton not gone to jail or executed for Chinagate when the Rosenbergs were executed for akin?  Why isn't Bush been tried for treason or impeached for his open border policy and his staunch advocation for Dubai Ports World...naming only a few?

All a sad treasonous sham imo...
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2008, 05:07:18 PM »
ONCE again :  how powerful can their bombs be, and, in the event of a atmosferical blast, how much of the USA can really "de-electronify"?

Do they need plutonium to make an A-bomb? Do they have this?
I honestly do not believe one bomb could take out America.  If anything, one would wake America up from its "politically correct" multicultural "globalist" stupor. 

They need uranium to make an atomic bomb.  I don't believe the Plutoniam bombs of the past are as powerful as the Atomic...  Than again, I'm no Einstein.  I believe that they have the capabilities via their Chinese/Russian Shehab 3 billistic missile to deliver a punch to Israel and any of the surrounding "American Friendly" Turd World nations.  I do not believe that they've the capacity to send one that will reach American shores.  If anything, It will be smuggled in via one of Bush's inept sellout deals via the ports or some shipping company....  Or perhaps an airline showing their tolerance for embracing diversity....if it will be an American/Western airline.  Hell, with our total capitulation to the Mohammadan and Communist, I'd not be surprized if Saudi Air, Air Afganistan or even Iranian Air flies direct into JFK...

Oh, to answer your question about the plutonium or uranium needed to make a bomb was, will be, supplied by one of the Communist nations like China, Russia or North Korea albeit I will not be surprized at all if France aids them or via third party America/Britian themselves. 

Those who have studied history and don't want it to be repeated will ask why America has funded, aided, armed and fed all of their enemies since around 1914....?  Why has Clinton not gone to jail or executed for Chinagate when the Rosenbergs were executed for akin?  Why isn't Bush been tried for treason or impeached for his open border policy and his staunch advocation for Dubai Ports World...naming only a few?

All a sad treasonous sham imo...

Shalom MarZutra, I have heard on the News that Iran is 1 or 2 years away from having a nuclear bomb. I do not believe everything I hear on the news because Muslims lie.
The Iranians may or may not have ( the bomb ) but I am most certain they will not tell us when they get it or if they have it, and they will most certainly use it without warning. You know how Islam works....

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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2008, 08:53:19 PM »
When the North Koreans detonated their first bomb, thanks to Bill, the Draftdodger, Clinton, it should have been a wake-up call.  We should have wiped their military off the face of the earth along with their government.  The bomb was low yield.  But that doesn't matter one bit when it comes to nuclear weapons.  One the size they tested if set off about 30 miles or more above the center of AMERICA would be devastating.  Everything not protected from EMPs (electromagnetic pulse) would have all circuits destroyed.  Our country would be crippled.  Our commo would cease to exist and the only thing that could move would be a few select military vehicles.  Planes would fall from the sky for thousands of miles from ground zero.  It would be disastrous.  I hope it never comes to that.  May God bless AMERICA and ISRAEL!!!!!
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2008, 10:48:13 PM »
When the North Koreans detonated their first bomb, thanks to Bill, the Draftdodger, Clinton, it should have been a wake-up call.  We should have wiped their military off the face of the earth along with their government.  The bomb was low yield.  But that doesn't matter one bit when it comes to nuclear weapons.  One the size they tested if set off about 30 miles or more above the center of AMERICA would be devastating.  Everything not protected from EMPs (electromagnetic pulse) would have all circuits destroyed.  Our country would be crippled.  Our commo would cease to exist and the only thing that could move would be a few select military vehicles.  Planes would fall from the sky for thousands of miles from ground zero.  It would be disastrous.  I hope it never comes to that.  May G-d bless AMERICA and ISRAEL!!!!!

Shalom, I saw a video clip of the USA and what would happen if we were hit with a bomb. Your post described exactly what I saw on the film. Half or more of America's grids would go out instantly, power failure of the worst magnitude. What chaos and utter destruction there would be, loss of life and contamination. I suspect that the invention of nuclear bombs may have been invented by Satan. Now our dilema is this: Do we kill them first, or do we let them kill us first?
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2008, 12:00:21 AM »
Shalom Rob and good post.  I honestly don't know about Iran and their nuclear program.  I've been hearing for about 5 years now that "Iran is months away from nuclear capabilities". Of course this is simply deception on par with Sun Tzu's "Art of War".

I'm pretty sure that the Mossad is very knowledgeable on the truth of this as you remember a few months back they distroyed a train load of nuclear assets in Syria as well utilized their radar jamming divices that, in essence made Russias most sophisticated defence systems, for which they sold to Iran, utterly useless. 

I do know that there are possibly two synerios that must be considered re: Iran and their Communist/Islamic/Turd World cohorts and that is A. If they do get nuclear bombs they will simply launch it within hours of attainment at one of their goals: Israel. B. On the other hand, this entire situation may be an orchestrated ploy to use as "justification" for a "peace" agreement with the "Palestinians" awarding the Mohammadan another "Palestinian" State.  Thus dividing Israel and futher agreements made between Perez and Rome and Olmert with Russia.   

Geo-Poitiks is a chess game where the goal is a global oligarchy.  The last thing these people want is a powerful Jewish State in the center of the world's largest access to cheep oil... 

My two cents... ;)
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2008, 08:04:40 AM »
Does Israel have an H-bomb?
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2008, 08:18:31 AM »
Does Israel have an H-bomb?
Yes, Israel has many different types.  Their largest is named Samson. I believe Israel has between 200 and 300 nuclear tipped warhead/billistic missiles.  Funny enough I beleive it was Shimon Perez with his connections in France that made Israel a nuclear power: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2008, 12:29:38 PM »
Does Israel have an H-bomb?
Yes, Israel has many different types.  Their largest is named Samson. I believe Israel has between 200 and 300 nuclear tipped warhead/billistic missiles.  Funny enough I beleive it was Shimon Perez with his connections in France that made Israel a nuclear power: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons

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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2008, 01:24:15 PM »
Yes and we Jews are "Sodom" as we are about to be bent over again.....  by our "Jewish" leaders in Israel. 
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2008, 04:46:24 PM »
Yes and we Jews are "Sodom" as we are about to be bent over again.....  by our "Jewish" leaders in Israel. 

Are most Israelis liberal? I can't think of any other reason why the Israelis would tolerate this ( suicide ) on Israel.
The Israeli Government has bent over backwards for these Evil Muslims.
Liberals Jews are spitting on G-d by throwing Israel into the hands of Satan's ( Muslims ) helpers.



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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2008, 05:30:21 PM »
No, I don't believe so.  As a matter of fact the religious Jew now out numbers the secular Jews within the school system. 

The sad problem with Israel is that you've got the situation of "put two Jews in a room you get 5 arguments."  Israel's Knesset is set up in such a way that one cannot attain a majority vote for any single party.  There are just too many parties and therefor it always becomes a minority government.

Sadly, most of the religious Jews in Israel are not organized like their "ultra-Orthodox" and non-Zionist brethren that rather capitulate than fight for our land.  This messianic idea that HaShem will take all synagogues and Jews out of the Diaspora and bring them to Israel, my well be right, but why the hell not defend yourself now? 

I'd rather be 5 minutes late leaving this world than 10 min early for the next... ;)
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Re: Iran plans to knock out U.S. with 1 nuclear bomb
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2008, 06:09:44 PM »
No, I don't believe so.  As a matter of fact the religious Jew now out numbers the secular Jews within the school system. 

The sad problem with Israel is that you've got the situation of "put two Jews in a room you get 5 arguments."  Israel's Knesset is set up in such a way that one cannot attain a majority vote for any single party.  There are just too many parties and therefor it always becomes a minority government.

Sadly, most of the religious Jews in Israel are not organized like their "ultra-Orthodox" and non-Zionist brethren that rather capitulate than fight for our land.  This messianic idea that HaShem will take all synagogues and Jews out of the Diaspora and bring them to Israel, my well be right, but why the hell not defend yourself now? 

I'd rather be 5 minutes late leaving this world than 10 min early for the next... ;)

Very well put!  O0  I do agree that they must become organized. Perhaps their religious belief's are in a state of controversy regarding the idea of a full blown war.
I hope the Ultra Orthodox and other Conservative Jews in Israel find the courage to make this decision for a full blown war against their government and the surrounding Muslim Countries. Their very survival depends on this.

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Re: Iran plans to knock out U.S. with 1 nuclear bomb
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2008, 10:58:46 AM »
Now I 100% agree with you...  And love your car... ;)
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Re: Iran plans to knock out U.S. with 1 nuclear bomb
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2008, 11:07:53 AM »
Now I 100% agree with you...  And love your car... ;)

Shalom Mar...thank you.      :)

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