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Nazi Buchanus (ys"vz): Jews Responsible for Financial Crisis
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
No, I don't think that any U.S. soldier who kills the Nazi enemy should be executed for doing such. As for the particulars of what he was accused of, if you had paid a little more attention to that thread, you'd see that I wrote that any soldier who is that mentally compromised by PTSD should be institutionalized, but I suspect that you did and didn't want to acknowledge that. In any event, the man you work so hard to defend (Pat Buchanan) spent a lot of time of his own defending proven Nazi war criminals like John Demjanjuk ("Ivan the Terrible", an SS guard at the Sobibor extermination center) and Arthur Rudolph. Isn't it hypocritical of you to argue that a U.S. soldier who had a complete mental breakdown on the battlefield and was accused of killing ENEMY SYMPATHIZERS should be executed, while supporting an infamous anti-Semite who defended REAL war criminals--the most vile and satanic human beings who ever walked the face of the earth?
muman613:
Shalom,
Stop this bickering please...
C.F. I do think you are wrong in your position regarding this criminal soldier who raped and murdered a girl and her family. It was patently wrong and criminal. There is no excuse as you are trying to make. This man commited a serious and capital offense and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. The claim that he was mentally incapacitated is not born out by the facts as this was a premeditated murder.
I dont like Buchanan but I dont think it is worth it to make a big deal about this topic. Goldman Sachs has made a big mistake and should be rebuked for their financial disaster. I certainly understand your sensitivity but things like this are difficult to prove by the evidence.
I will once again ask you, C.F. to reserve such terrible curses for the most deserving and not every person who does evil.
muman613
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
Muman, we agreed to disagree on the former issue, pending whether Iraqis who aren't actual combatants, but merely support combatants, qualify as Amalek. I thought that they did; you weren't sure. Let's continue to agree to disagree. I brought this up because t_h_j said in that thread that he didn't want to stick around here. Sorry if it caused you distress.
Anyhow, of the Buchanan issue, I am quite sure that it's acceptable to curse him. Chaim himself curses him many times per week in Ask JTF. You can disagree with that, I suppose, but that is why I curse him.
Chaimfan.
George:
--- Quote from: muman613 on September 25, 2008, 02:34:15 AM ---Shalom,
Stop this bickering please...
C.F. I do think you are wrong in your position regarding this criminal soldier who raped and murdered a girl and her family. It was patently wrong and criminal. There is no excuse as you are trying to make. This man commited a serious and capital offense and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. The claim that he was mentally incapacitated is not born out by the facts as this was a premeditated murder.
I dont like Buchanan but I dont think it is worth it to make a big deal about this topic. Goldman Sachs has made a big mistake and should be rebuked for their financial disaster. I certainly understand your sensitivity but things like this are difficult to prove by the evidence.
I will once again ask you, C.F. to reserve such terrible curses for the most deserving and not every person who does evil.
muman613
--- End quote ---
The soldier should be punished but not executed. There was recently a Nigerian ape wearing the us military uniform who murdered an elderly Japanese cab driver because he couldn't pay the fare. He won't get the death penalty so this guy shouldn't either. I don't think the Iraqi family deserved to die even if it's proven they aided the insurgents because it's possible Al-Qaeda threatened them that if they didn't assist them they would be executed. This is a common tactic that Al-Qaeda uses. What do you think?
muman613:
--- Quote from: C.F. on September 25, 2008, 02:59:53 AM ---<snip>
Anyhow, of the Buchanan issue, I am quite sure that it's acceptable to curse him. Chaim himself curses him many times per week in Ask JTF. You can disagree with that, I suppose, but that is why I curse him.
Chaimfan.
--- End quote ---
CF,
Here is a list of Rabbi Nachmans sayings concerning Cursing:
http://www.breslov.org/torah/rabbeinu/alef_bet/midos19.html#k'lalah
CURSING
A
1)
Cursing brings to mourning, God forbid.
2)
A person may not curse another unless he can forsee the future generations of the one he curses.
3)
The curse of an ordinary man should not be taken lightly.
4)
It is the intention behind the curse that matters.
5)
There are times when a Tzaddik's curse lasts only as long as he's alive and no longer has any effect once he's died.
6)
An undeserved curse eventually turns back on the curser.
7)
The wise man's curse, even if undeserved or conditional, takes effect.
8 )
Even the gentile who blesses a Jew will be blessed.
B
1)
A person who is always cursing comes from the World of Void, while the person who is wont to bless is from the World of Rectification.
2)
Investigating the world of emptiness - namely, what is above and below, what preceded this world and what follows it - brings a curse. The person who guards against such investigation brings about a blessing.
3)
A person who is accustomed to cursing will not have clothing for the Shabbat.
4)
A curse has no effect on a person of distinguished ancestry.
5)
Tending to the needs of the Tzaddik brings freedom and nullifies curses.
6)
Conducting one's business affairs faithfully nullifies curses.
7)
When a person curses his friend during a time of panic, the curse proves very damaging.
Regarding the fairness of the imposition of the death penalty, it is a difficult call. In general I support the death penalty for barbarous murders. What this means is premeditated and hateful murder. For instance I believed that OJ Simpson should have gotten the death penalty for killing his ex-wife and the Goldman man.
As I said I dont really know the facts in this case and because of this I can only have an opinion based on what I have read. From what I read it seemed like the accused had targeted this young girl and followed her to her home to commit sordid acts and to ultimately kill her family.
Good morning,
muman613
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