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MARTIAL LAW IN OCTOBER? NEW WORLD ORDER MAKES ITS MOVE ON YOU!
muman613:
--- Quote from: Mishmaat on September 28, 2008, 11:41:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: GodGunsAndGlory on September 28, 2008, 03:47:23 PM ---If its economic why would you have cash, considering the US has fiat money.
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Great point. Fiat money that is based entirely upon debt! I think the majority of Americans are clueless as to why our economy is literally in shambles. Our economic problems really started in 1913 with the establishment of the Federal Reserve. It's not a conspiracy to say that the Federal Reserve is deliberately screwing over countless Americans for their own profit. The situation is very complex. But most people prefer simple answers. It's not a Republican issue, it's not a Democrat issue. And neither party has the fortitude to truthfully address these problems and solve them adequately. In fact, the Democrat's messiah Barack Obama will only make things much, much worse. His economic plan consists mainly of wealth redistribution. He's a complete socialist demagogue.
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Our economy has been excellent from my perspective for most of my adult life. I work in the computer industry and have since the 80s. I have worked in the defense industry, the video game industry, the dvd industry amongst many strong technologies I have worked in. This economy has been extremely good to me and I even survived the turbulence when the Internet bubble burst. I had the wisdom to avoid working in the internet instead concentrating on the digital video solution.
I realize not everyone works in the industry but generally I have seen an increase in wealth and seldom have I seen much discomfort. The worst in my life was during the Carter administration when we had rampant inflation and a depressed international image {also the oil crisis was terrible}. We survived that and are much more resistant to that kind of problem. I dont think that things are that bad for most people.
muman613
~Hanna~:
--- Quote from: muman613 on September 28, 2008, 11:47:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mishmaat on September 28, 2008, 11:41:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: GodGunsAndGlory on September 28, 2008, 03:47:23 PM ---If its economic why would you have cash, considering the US has fiat money.
--- End quote ---
Great point. Fiat money that is based entirely upon debt! I think the majority of Americans are clueless as to why our economy is literally in shambles. Our economic problems really started in 1913 with the establishment of the Federal Reserve. It's not a conspiracy to say that the Federal Reserve is deliberately screwing over countless Americans for their own profit. The situation is very complex. But most people prefer simple answers. It's not a Republican issue, it's not a Democrat issue. And neither party has the fortitude to truthfully address these problems and solve them adequately. In fact, the Democrat's messiah Barack Obama will only make things much, much worse. His economic plan consists mainly of wealth redistribution. He's a complete socialist demagogue.
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Our economy has been excellent from my perspective for most of my adult life. I work in the computer industry and have since the 80s. I have worked in the defense industry, the video game industry, the dvd industry amongst many strong technologies I have worked in. This economy has been extremely good to me and I even survived the turbulence when the Internet bubble burst. I had the wisdom to avoid working in the internet instead concentrating on the digital video solution.
I realize not everyone works in the industry but generally I have seen an increase in wealth and seldom have I seen much discomfort. The worst in my life was during the Carter administration when we had rampant inflation and a depressed international image {also the oil crisis was terrible}. We survived that and are much more resistant to that kind of problem. I dont think that things are that bad for most people.
muman613
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I won't tell you about my life, so you won't get depressed :laugh:
jaime:
--- Quote from: firster555 on September 28, 2008, 01:50:18 PM ---Bailout destroying the soviergnty of America.
Bailout putting us in debt to foriegn nations.
Bailout that has high chances of destroying Social Security, Pensions, retirement accounts.
Millions of muslims already inside that are sleeper cells.
Millions of illegal hordes already destroying us from within.
Corruption in politics rampantly out of control.
The most dangerous man to ever run for President on the verge of winning.
Almost sure riots if this man loses.
The military is being deployed here to maintain order in case of riots and rampage in the streets.
Runs on banks, murders on Wall Street, obama losing, terrorist attack.
Massuh's overall scenario might, and I repeat, might, go a little to far, but he is on the right track.
Though running is not the answer. If America turns into a Stalinist martial state does anybody believe this will not have seriously dreadful effects on other free nations worlwide.
Look how our economic crisis is affecting the rest of the world now.
I am not going anywhwere, but most definetly, be prepared.
As far as obeying the law, the law will be relevant to who is making them, they can change fast.
Is this bailout legal.
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i have read more posts on this thread and now see the threat. furthermore, I can't find the stinkin email I rec'd today that said how in the US, we'd be more like Canada, in that, you can't say anything. i posted a few days ago, the horrendous repeal of 4 California judges, wherein, if you say anything against gay marriage, gays in general, it is illegal. what happens if some idiot overhears your conversation and decides to get you in trouble. the movement, which is funded by very wealthy gay activists, are trying to get this law passed in R.I., 4 or 5 other East Coast states. Massachusetts didn't even go for this because it is so outrageous. It is Prop 22 on the ballot in California and is equated with racism. i found the post but can't get the thread ??? this movement is AGAINST MAN AND WOMAN being married. it is taught to children in school that gay marriage is normal. we will be living w/martial law. here is the original post but i can't pull up the thread:
Rick Santorum spoke at the RNC and is on Fox TV often. I like him. He wrote this thing and it very alarming and disgusting. Men marrying men and women marrying women legally.
Rick santorum states, "I've never come to you with a more urgent message: Unless we act today, we will lose the battle for marriage--not a decade from now, not "someday," but quite possibly in the next few months."
*This is scary. Look at these whacko judges! See next paragraph:
How? Just weeks ago, a handful of out-of-touch judges overturned the will of the people in California by repealing Proposition 22, which defined marriage as a union between one man and one woman and was overwhelmingly approved by the voters in 2000.
*More on these insane judges. Not even Massachusetts or New Jersey could stomach the idea. Please read this paragraph:
Four California judges endorsed two big, very bad ideas. First, they extended the internationally recognized human right to marry to include same-sex marriage. Not even in Massachusetts or in New Jersey could the courts stomach the idea that same-sex marriage is deeply rooted in our foundational American traditions of human rights.
*Okay, if Protestants, Catholics, Jews and Muslims don't agree with the way these crazy judges wrote this idea/amendment/or whatever the h*ll it is, we are discriminating, all the while being under "strict scrutiny," does that mean we will be eavesdropped....The Marshall Law in effect?! So in California, if you don't agree, you are put in the category "exact position of racists under the California law." Isn't that nice? Maybe I can't talk to my friend at a cafe or restaurant because someone will overhear us and you know the probable outcome. Here it is:
"The second big idea endorsed by the California court is even less promising: sexual orientation should be treated just like race under the California equal protection amendment, subject to "strict scrutiny." This is a ruling which, if left undisturbed, means that Protestants, Catholics, Jews and Muslims who see marriage as the union of husband and wife, and view sexual activity as best confined to marriage so defined, are in the exact position as racists under California law."
*We know Hollywood is accepting of the breakdown of the traditional male and female marital laws. See this and of course, there are the private doctors who are so PC, having gay employees flit about the office or if you know your doctors well enough, they will give you their liberal views on gay marriage:
"Hollywood, academia and some in the medical profession launched a huge offensive over the past decade to change the attitude of Americans about the homosexual community."
This is outrageous. When they say "young people" they are talking about students. They are teaching this in schools and colleges. Anyone speaking of traditional marriage is intimidated, punished and probably "shouted down," as Obama said to do last week during his event at University of Miami, if anyone disagrees with liberal voters.
"They have succeeded in shaping the minds of young people against traditional marriage and intimidating and punishing anyone who offers a defense of marriage."
*This is the scariest part of this newsletter. They are very rich and look at their tactics please:
"A sophisticated network of wealthy gay activists are now trying to exploit this change in attitudes by spending millions on stealth campaigns to defeat pro-family state legislators and pass gay marriage laws."
*I never thought I would see these states go for this legislation in my lifetime:
"They are pushing the battle first where the secular left is the strongest: deep in "blue states" including New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Vermont, Rhode Island, Maryland and now even in my home commonwealth, Pennsylvania."
Does anyone see the same tactics used as in the Obama campaign: loads of money for their cause that is replenished when needed; must whisper and not get caught if you see a flamer who looks and acts ridiculous...no laughing or you may be punished to the full extent of the law, which looks like they will charge you, indict you, incarcerate, if necessary, etc. it's all there to see. this is Prop 22 in California, however, look at all the East Coast states that are being effected by this legislation. i don't feel like being under "strict scrutiny," do you?
no the bailout is not legal. it is unconstitutional in 2 areas. see below:
Bailout Unconstitutional Judge Andrew Napolitano
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9/25/08, Judge Andrew Napolitano, who we often see as a commentator, spoke about constitutional law. Specifically, there are 2 clauses in the constitution that are being violated should the bailout go forward. I dvr'd this and got every word he said. Here goes:
"Someone would have to challenge it before a judge but this is absolutely inconsistent with the constitution. There are a couple of clauses in the constitution that prohibit this. The constitution requires the gov't treat everyone equally.So, if one business is failing and the Congress wants to bail it out, it has to bail out other businesses that are failingand there's not enough money to do that.
There's another clause in the constitution that says that you have to do things not specifically to benefit individuals, but to benefit everyone. It is called The General Welfare clause. These 2 clauses were intended to prevent the United States Treasury from becoming a public trothand when people go to Congress with their hat in hand and Congress gives away taxpayer money, that's exactly the opposite of the restraints built into the constitution.
[Fox News 9/25/08 w/Neil Cavuto]
Any thoughts on this please? Does anyone understand why Geraldo Rivera disagrees with Judge Andrew Napolitano?
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,26697.0.html
jaime:
Here is an alternative solution to the bailout:
MCCAIN'S TRUMP CARD
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN
Published in the The New York Post on September 28, 2008
THE DEBATE ARGUMENT HE DIDN'T MAKE - BUT COULD STILL HELP HIM WIN
During Friday's debate, John McCain assiduously and inexplicably avoided using the issue that might have won him the debate and the presidency: opposition to a taxpayer-funded bailout of the financial crisis.
Congress is about to pass - and the president is about to sign - a bill that the American people detest by 2:1 margins. When Americans realize that there is, indeed, an alternative to handing over $700 billion to financial institutions as a reward for their failure, opposition to the idea will swell even further.
The bailout ideas proposed by the House Republicans and trumpeted by former Speaker Newt Gingrich make eminent sense. Indeed, they make so much sense that it is as if the roles of the parties have been reversed. It is the Republicans who are demanding that the banks and financial institutions pay for their own bailout, granting them only a mixture of loans and premium-paid insurance, while the Democrats want to pass the hat among the taxpayers to buy their dirty paper.
In an unusual act of political foresight and skill, the normally dead-headed House Republican leadership has crafted a platform that can carry the party to victory in November. All that remains is for the Party's candidate - and perhaps even its president and Treasury Secretary - to get on board. McCain can recover at the negotiating table the economy issue he lost in Friday's debate. He needs to have the courage of his convictions and insist on a bailout without requiring taxpayer-funded purchase of defunct mortgages from failing institutions.
The difference in the bailout plans is, of course, largely cosmetic. Dead paper is dead paper whether it is on the books of the government, purchased from banks, or on the books of the banks, insured by the government. The game is the same: Through loans or grants fund the deficient debt service on the defaulted mortgages until homes can recover their value in the cyclical real estate market.
But it makes all the difference in the world politically if this task is accomplished by buying bad debt or by lending the bankers the money to cover their current losses while they keep their bad debts on their books and by insuring them against future losses.
Loans are politically viable. Purchase of bad debt with tax money is not.
The Democrats and our politically-challenged president have failed to appreciate the difference between spending and lending. Treasury Secretary Paulson can be excused for not realizing it. Politics is not his thing.
But John McCain must realize the crucial distinction and must use his leverage to stop a taxpayer-funded bailout, insisting instead on loans and insurance.
If McCain stands firm, the Democrats will either have to pass the bailout package on their own, without Republican votes, and rely on Bush's signature on the bill to provide a fig leaf of bipartisanship - or they will have to cave in and pass the Republican package.
Either way, McCain comes out ahead.
If he gets his way, he gets credit for the bailout. If he doesn't, he can spend the campaign attacking Obama and the Democrats for spending $700 billion of taxpayer money.
If the Democrats don't adopt either course and play a game of chicken with the Republicans, their Congressional status as the majority party dooms them to taking the blame for any ensuing collapse.
Voters can count.
They know that Reid and Pelosi are Democrats and that they control Congress. With this power comes responsibility.
And if the Democrats do nothing - that is they fail to use their majorities to pass a bailout or to cooperate with the Republicans in adopting the GOP version of the package - it is they who will get the blame for the catastrophe which will follow.
The Democrats don't dare take that chance.
The cards are dealt for John McCain. All he has to do is have the guts to do what he didn't have the courage to do in the debate: Play the hand.
http://www.vote.com/mmp_printerfriendly.php?id=1115
~Hanna~:
Did you see what Nancy Pelosi said today???
She made a speech about this...
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