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What do people here think of Germans?
muman613:
t_h_j,
I just checked wikipedia {we know that their statistics are questionable, but lets assume they are correct}...
DateVotesPercentageSeats in ReichstagBackgroundMay 19241,918,3006.532Hitler in prisonDecember 1924907,3003.014Hitler is released from prisonMay 1928810,1002.612September 19306,409,60018.3107After the financial crisis
July 193213,745,80037.4230After Hitler was candidate for presidencyNovember 193211,737,00033.1196March 193317,277,00043.9288During Hitler's term as Chancellor of Germany
According to this chart it seems the maximum popular vote was 43.9 percent in 1933 . I am not a big fan of Germany and it seems anti-semitism is once again on the rise there. I hope that this is not something about the German people as a whole. As others have said, there is evil everywhere.
muman613
PS: I used to drive a VW bus... Even though VW was Hitlers car company.
George:
;-) :-(
muman613:
More on this issue:
CF may have a point, at a certain time Hitler recieved 84.6% of the electorate. Though at this time he was already using his paramilitary squads to eliminate his opposition.
Again from Wikipedia:
President Paul von Hindenburg died on 2 August 1934. Rather than holding new presidential elections, Hitler's cabinet passed a law proclaiming the presidency dormant and transferred the role and powers of the head of state to Hitler as Führer und Reichskanzler (leader and chancellor). Thereby Hitler also became supreme commander of the military, whose officers then swore an oath not to the state or the constitution but to Hitler personally.[48] In a mid-August plebiscite, these acts found the approval of 84.6% of the electorate.[49] This action technically violated both the constitution and the Enabling Act. The constitution had been amended in 1932 to make the president of the High Court of Justice, not the chancellor, acting president until new elections could be held. The Enabling Act specifically barred Hitler from taking any action that tampered with the presidency. However, no one dared object. With this action, Hitler effectively removed the last remedy by which he could be dismissed from office—and with it, all checks and balances on his power.
I dont know if this was a fair election as at the time his use of violence was well established.
muman613
--- Quote ---However, some people have referred to Hitler's legacy in neutral or favourable terms. Former Egyptian President Anwar El Sadat spoke of his 'admiration' of Hitler in 1953, when he was a young man, though it is possible he was speaking in the context of a rebellion against the British Empire.[257] Louis Farrakhan has referred to him as a "very great man".[258] Bal Thackeray, leader of the right-wing Hindu Shiv Sena party in the Indian state of the Maharashtra, declared in 1995 that he was an admirer of Hitler.[259] Friedrich Meinecke, the German historian quotes of Hitler, "It is one of the great examples of the singular and incalculable power of personality in historical life".[260]
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Ulli:
t_h_j
Don't let us debate about the exact numbers. Here are the election results of 1932:
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei - Hitlerbewegung (NSDAP) 37,3 % Nationalist Socialist Antisemites
Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands (SPD) 21,6 % Socialists
Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands (KPD) 14,3 % Socialists
Deutsche Zentrumspartei (Zentrum) 12,4 % Catholic civically
Deutschnationale Volkspartei (DNVP) 5,9 % Nationalist Socialist Antisemites
Bayerische Volkspartei (BVP) 3,2 % Civically
Deutsche Volkspartei (DVP) 1,2 % Real liberal
Deutsche Staatspartei (DStP) 1,0 % liberal perhaps a little bit leftist, but ok
Christlich-Sozialer Volksdienst (CSVD) 1,0 % protestant christian mixed up with socialism and nationalism
Reichspartei des deutschen Mittelstandes 0,4 % national liberal
Deutsche Bauernpartei (DBP) 0,4 % Farmer party
Landbund 0,3 % rightwing farmer party
Deutsches Landvolk 0,3 % center Farmer Party
Reichspartei für Volksrecht und Aufwertung (Volksrechtpartei) 0,1 % Anti inflation Party
If I have added the numbers rightly, the parties a sane person could vote for got under 20% of the whole votes.
I think I would have voted for DVP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_People%27s_Party
But they only got 1,2 % of the vote :-(
muman613:
I found this entry on Wikipedias page on Hisler about his religious beliefs. It is very interesting and conflicts with the popular notion that he was an occultist or atheist...
Hitler was raised by Roman Catholic parents, but after he left home, he never attended Mass or received the sacraments,[261] In private (not in public) Hitler made at least one attack against Catholicism that "resonated Streicher's contention that the Catholic establishment was allying itself with the Jews."[262] However, as Richard Steigmann-Gall points out when explaining the institutional particularities of religion in Nazi Germany; In Germany, a country in which the Catholic and the Protestant church are largely financed through a church tax collected by the state, Hitler (like Goebbels) never "actually left his church or refused to pay church taxes. In a nominal sense therefore [he] can be classified as Catholic."[263]
Hitler often praised Christian heritage, German Christian culture, and professed a belief in Jesus Christ.[264] In his speeches and publications Hitler spoke of Christianity as a central motivation for his antisemitism, stating that "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."[265][266] His private statements, as reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious man but critical of traditional Christianity.[267] However, in contrast to early Nazi ideologues, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or Ariosophy,[267] and ridiculed such beliefs in Mein Kampf.[268][269] Rather, Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity",[268][270] a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and which reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews.
Hitler believed in Arthur de Gobineau's ideas of struggle for survival between the different races, among which the "Aryan race"—guided by "Providence"—was supposed to be the torchbearers of civilization. In Hitler's conception Jews were enemies of all civilization.
Hitler, despite his native Catholicism, favored aspects of Protestantism if they were more amenable to his own objectives. At the same time, he adopted some elements of the Catholic Church's hierarchical organization, liturgy and phraseology in his politics.[271][272]
Hitler expressed admiration for the Muslim military tradition. According to one confidant, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness..."[273]
I think the man was messed up no matter what religion he professed. He had no morals and would seem to be a descendant of Amalek himself. Amalek believed that he had a job to make life miserable for the Jews. Hisler made this his same goal.
muman613
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