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please need some help with the Torah/Bible
q_q_:
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--- Quote from: q_q_ on October 15, 2008, 09:18:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: zachor_ve_kavod on October 15, 2008, 09:06:06 PM ---Also, Isaac was the favorite to Abraham, and Jacob was the favorite to Isaac.
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actually the text suggests that Avraham cared alot for Yishmael, and Isaac. And G-d told him to send Yishmael away. G-d told him that his seed would continue through Isaac. Yitzchak's mother Sarai, naturally favoured Yitzchak. Avraham when he sent Ishmael away, was - I vaguely recall - reluctant, but G-d told him to listen to his wife.
the text does not suggest that avraham had a favourite. What is your evidence from the text that suggests he did?
Regarding Jacob
Jacob was not Isaac's favourite. If Isaac had a favourite, the text suggests that he favoured Esau. It was Isaac's wife Rivka that favoured Jacob, and had to fool Isaac into giving Jacob the better blessing.
So you certainly have it backwards there.
The text if it suggests that Isaac had a favourite, certainly suggests Esau was the favourite, not Jacob.
So I would say we see a similarity there. In that the wife favoured the son that would become father of the jewish people.
Also, it's not esaf!!!!! not in english or hebrew ESAV or perhaps ESAV/ESAW. OR Esau in english.
The F, is like saying Taf instead of Tav or Taw. Because W/V/F can become confused. W/V may have become confused. But let's not add F to the mix. I think some do say Taf but I doubt they claim that is correct.. It's certainly not esaf!!!
The reason these accidents can happen is because the letter is formed from the same part of the mouth.
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Wow, that's pretty embarassing. I'm going to review this right now!
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And that.
Since "embarrass" is spelt with 2 Rs and 2 Ss.
(your spelling prob doesn't exist, but interestingly, Embarras, is a river in E Illinois)
Your post is not that embarrassing, since the last paragraph of correction that I wrote refers to a mistake Yonathan made, not you.. though you didn't correct him.
muman613:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on October 16, 2008, 05:04:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on October 15, 2008, 09:36:46 PM ---Shalom,
q_q_ is right in most of what he wrote here...
Abraham was very fond of Ishmael and had to be told by Sarah to put him and his mother out of Abrahams house. Only because Hashem told Abraham to listen to Sarah did he do so.
Also regarding Essau it is true that Yitzak loved Essau. And Rivka was involved with the fact that Yaakov got the birthright.
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I know you don't care for facts, but if you are going to say somebody is wrong, you should have the decency to state where.
You should care for facts regarding the Torah.
You should at least want accuracy in that area.
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q_q_,
Once again I edited this posting removing some of the feelings I had. I think this was a simple misunderstanding.
I was not saying you were incorrect in this posting. We have disagreed on other topics and yet I continued to be gracious with you.
I tried to help the original poster and support what you were saying about the relationship between the fathers and the sons.
muman613
PS: I am sorry if I said 'most of what he wrote here'. I realize it implies you are saying something which is not true. I apologize for that but it is not what I meant.
q_q_:
You wrote "q_q_ is right in most of what he wrote here..."
What was it in that post that was not right?
muman613:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on October 16, 2008, 05:46:21 AM ---You wrote "q_q_ is right in most of what he wrote here..."
What was it in that post that was not right?
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q_q_,
I am sorry I wrote most of what he wrote here. I agree 100% with what you said here...
I am sorry.
muman613
q_q_:
--- Quote from: muman613 on October 16, 2008, 05:46:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on October 16, 2008, 05:46:21 AM ---You wrote "q_q_ is right in most of what he wrote here..."
What was it in that post that was not right?
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q_q_,
I am sorry I wrote most of what he wrote here. I agree 100% with what you said here...
I am sorry.
muman613
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Why are you sorry?
What a silly thing to be sorry for.
No wonder you run from debate. You get deeply upset if you get something wrong.
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