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Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
Hello,

I am curious--is it possible for a Jew to lose his Judaism and be excommunicated, in effect, for monstrous or disloyal actions? I was chatting online with a Jewish friend this summer regarding Olmert and his Kadima monstrosity, and she pretty much said that anyone supporting Kadima should lose the honor of being considered Jewish from there on. What would rabbinic law say on this?

jdl4ever:
Once a Jew always a Jew.  You can't leave.  Even if you are excommunicated you don't leave judaism, you are isolated from the community.

kahaneloyalist:
There is a specific status called Cherem whereby a Jew is excommunicated. But they are still considered Jewish. There is also the status of Rodef, which means a pursuer who is coming to commit murder so they are to be killed, and a Moser, a traitor, which is not as severe as Rodef but still deserves death.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
Well, couldn't the Israeli surrender monkeys be rightfully classed as mosers then since they are in fact traitors?

My friend and I did not really get into what exactly should be done with Kadima members. We (I, who am Gentile, and she, who is Jewish) just agreed completely that they ought to lose their status as Jews or the right to be counted as Jews. We did not at all get into what should be done with them, though it was implied they should lose their Israeli citizenship.

Do you think Chaim would support revoking the Israeli citizenship of pro-handover Israelis and exiling them back to their most recent country of personal or familial origin?

kahaneloyalist:
Rambam Hilchot Chovel uMazik Perek Ches Halacha Yud
"A Jew who surrenders Jewish property to Goyim is a Moser with no place in the world to come, it is a Mitzvah to kill such a Jew."

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