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Trumpeldor:
--- Quote from: Chaimfan on February 27, 2007, 10:23:13 PM ---Jabo,
I completely understand you and in principle you are certainly right, but in the history of human slavery the slavery of blacks in the South was really not all that terrible. I'm sure the Jews under Pharaoh or the Africans under the Sudanese/Libyan Arabs today would love to trade places with plantation hands. (Also keep in mind the virtual slavery that Irish, Chinese, Japanese, etc. immigrants lived under, not to mention poor, landless native-born whites, in this country.)
I am not saying Southern slavery was right, just that it was not quite the same as Roman slavery or the other examples you speak of.
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Chaimfan,
I think you are drawing a necessary distinction and one that I should have elaborated on. The slavery in the South was relatively humane. Not that it should be excused, but it was humane. The typical negro family lived on a massive plantation and was not at the beck and call of the master. The typical negro male worked from sunrise to sunset 6 days per week and attended Church on Sunday- a far cry from today's negro. He was basically a sharecropper, being provided with food, clothing, and shelter in exchange for (forced) labor. He would be beaten when he slacked off or if the taskmaster was exceptionally cruel. He had sex with his wife at night and the wife was not allowed to work when pregnant. The slave did not have to work on Christmas and other such holidays such as MLK day.
And no, this is not a romanticized/sanitized view of American slavery. There are many scholarly sources and works of historical fiction from that period that paint this picture. You just have to look beyond the Toni Morisson psychobable.
Fruit of thy loins:
--- Quote from: Jabo on February 27, 2007, 10:35:55 PM --- He had sex with his wife at night and the wife was not allowed to work when pregnant. The slave did not have to work on Christmas and other such holidays such as MLK day.
And no, this is not a romanticized/sanitized view of American slavery. There are many scholarly sources and works of historical fiction from that period that paint this picture. You just have to look beyond the Toni Morisson psychobable.
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So you are saying that back in the 18th and 19th centuries the blacks would get a day off for 'Martin Luther King' (MLK) celebrations?
Okay, so you are poking fun. ???
The Babylonian Talmud says, 'Respect the law of the land.' Religious Jews are not meant to be social activists. In fact there were Jewish slave owners. People did well out of it, including the negroes. So long as the negroes were humanely treated, it was proper and decent. Their alternative was to be slaves in Africa, which would mean a worse life by far.
Which negro leader has gone on record to say that he'd rather have been on the ship that landed with the first slaves in North America as opposed to staying at home in Africa?
Also, the wives of the slave-owning families liked to sneak in and make love to the handsome, well-endowed, well-built negro men when their husbands weren't looking. If it hadn't been for the negro presence the American white woman would have been beside herself with repressed sexual libido. Many white women would have killed themselves but for the love and devotion the negro offered her.
Trumpeldor:
--- Quote from: Fruit of thy loins on February 28, 2007, 01:33:05 AM ---
--- Quote from: Jabo on February 27, 2007, 10:35:55 PM --- He had sex with his wife at night and the wife was not allowed to work when pregnant. The slave did not have to work on Christmas and other such holidays such as MLK day.
And no, this is not a romanticized/sanitized view of American slavery. There are many scholarly sources and works of historical fiction from that period that paint this picture. You just have to look beyond the Toni Morisson psychobable.
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Also, the wives of the slave-owning families liked to sneak in and make love to the handsome, well-endowed, well-built negro men when their husbands weren't looking. If it hadn't been for the negro presence the American white woman would have been beside herself with repressed sexual libido. Many white women would have killed themselves but for the love and devotion the negro offered her.
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This is true. If discovered, the woman would simply cry 'rape'. This happened until the 1960's.
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