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For some reason, I'm not scared of Obama (yet)
SavetheWest:
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SavetheWest:
--- Quote from: Daleksfearme on November 11, 2008, 11:40:30 AM ---Hello all,
Science has proven that all humans are 99.9 percent the same at our most basic genetic level. The remaining differences are minor variations based solely on geography. (people from different areas of the world have different resistance to certain diseases, or a tendency toward the same hair color etc as that trait is commen in that area.) It is also a commen misconception that modern science postulates that humans, or any other organism, adapt to their environment. Change is the result of random mutations that occur over very Long periods of time. Most of the time, these random changes are lethal, and the new trait is not passed on to the next generation. Every once in a while, one of these changes is of benefit, and thus passed on to the next generation.
African Americans or any other of the black population are therefore by no means a separate race. Any difference in worldview then becomes a social and cultural issue. Cultural issues are a learned behavior, It is not hard wired into our genes. There fore I agree with Dr Dan. Why not be pleased when children aspire to become productive members of society? Members of the black community such as Bill Cosby have been very Critical of certain aspects of black culture for years. Unfortunately, their voices have been drown out by the allure of money and "status" that is associated with the music industry, sports etc.
Perhaps now this will start to change
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Modern science has constantly proven old theories wrong even in recent years. We've heard for years about the evolutionary coming of man, where apes became the homo habilus and the homo erectus and so on. Just a few months ago they revealed that they found that the homo erectus and homo habilus lived at the same time. This knocked down the old theory of the ape becomes man chart because it stated that they had to have lived at different times.
I also always hear about the "random mutation" theory in science that says random mutations happen until those mutations suited best for the envirnoment are able to win out. It makes sense but when you talk about lethal traits, they are different in different environments. The traits that prove productive for the species seem to have some connection to that environment. Think of the billions of possibilities in color, weight and shape. Yet, somehow, animals that have not lived in certain areas for that long develop green in green environments, enormous ears and huge eyes in caves. I don't see people being born with many of these completely off the wall traits. They are born with defects that are already in the DNA, no matter how rare. This is one of the reason I believe in G-D because the "random mutations" very often have a correlation with the environment. Even if you count that a lizard may eat the green plant life in the area, there are many cases where they do not and still have the color of the environment. Just as with the random mutations with the AIDS virus, I believe that these will eventually be discovered as not random and will open up a larger can o scientific worms.
Just my .02
Daleksfearme:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on November 11, 2008, 12:03:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: Daleksfearme on November 11, 2008, 11:40:30 AM ---Hello all,
Science has proven that all humans are 99.9 percent the same at our most basic genetic level. The remaining differences are minor variations based solely on geography. (people from different areas of the world have different resistance to certain diseases, or a tendency toward the same hair color etc as that trait is commen in that area.) It is also a commen misconception that modern science postulates that humans, or any other organism, adapt to their environment. Change is the result of random mutations that occur over very Long periods of time. Most of the time, these random changes are lethal, and the new trait is not passed on to the next generation. Every once in a while, one of these changes is of benefit, and thus passed on to the next generation.
African Americans or any other of the black population are therefore by no means a separate race. Any difference in worldview then becomes a social and cultural issue. Cultural issues are a learned behavior, It is not hard wired into our genes. There fore I agree with Dr Dan. Why not be pleased when children aspire to become productive members of society? Members of the black community such as Bill Cosby have been very Critical of certain aspects of black culture for years. Unfortunately, their voices have been drown out by the allure of money and "status" that is associated with the music industry, sports etc.
Perhaps now this will start to change
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I heard homo sapience shares over 98% of Its DNA with the Chimpanzee. Of course Blacks constitute a human race. Nevertheless there is nothing wrong with Blacks aspiring for high achievements, the thing is they aspire to high status and expect it to handed to them with little or no effort. This is how Sadam Hussein Obama, a stupid pot head, got into Harvard, was elected as the chief editor of the Harvard law review and eventually cruised all the way to white house.
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--- Quote from: q_q_ on November 11, 2008, 02:28:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: Daleksfearme on November 11, 2008, 11:40:30 AM ---Hello all,
Science has proven that all humans are 99.9 percent the same at our most basic genetic level. The remaining differences are minor variations based solely on geography. (people from different areas of the world have different resistance to certain diseases, or a tendency toward the same hair color etc as that trait is commen in that area.) It is also a commen misconception that modern science postulates that humans, or any other organism, adapt to their environment. Change is the result of random mutations that occur over very Long periods of time. Most of the time, these random changes are lethal, and the new trait is not passed on to the next generation. Every once in a while, one of these changes is of benefit, and thus passed on to the next generation.
African Americans or any other of the black population are therefore by no means a separate race. Any difference in worldview then becomes a social and cultural issue. Cultural issues are a learned behavior, It is not hard wired into our genes. There fore I agree with Dr Dan. Why not be pleased when children aspire to become productive members of society? Members of the black community such as Bill Cosby have been very Critical of certain aspects of black culture for years. Unfortunately, their voices have been drown out by the allure of money and "status" that is associated with the music industry, sports etc.
Perhaps now this will start to change
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I doubt that science has proven that. Scientists do not yet even understand the entire DNA string of a banana. By the way, we share 50% of our DNA with bananas apparently.
Your post is really ridiculous.
You write-
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Science has proven that all humans are 99.9 percent the same at our most basic genetic level. The remaining differences are minor variations based solely on geography.
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Well, think of a classroom. You will see people from the same geographical location varying widely in intelligence, strength, morality, maturity, health..
And within the category of intelligence there is huge variation..
It's amazing how much of ourselves we are actually born with.
When people lack morality, maturity and intelligence, they can be easily influenced.. "Yes They Can". And when they fail they often cause trouble for others.
Now they want to be presidents and surgeons, they will fail to do that, like most people do. Maybe Barack with his positivity, will be a good influence and be a bit of a father figure to them, and keep them from going off the rails when they do fail.
Many Blacks do lack intelligence, morality and maturity..
They show this all over the world..
In America they blame slavery, but this excuse doesn't work in Britain.
They may try to blame poverty but enough people know that poor people can be decent people. They can blame fathers leaving - well, that's fairly unique to them, but alot of people have father's that unfortunately die young, and they don't turn to crime.
And the question then becomes, why is it that poverty, father leaving, crime e.t.c. all happen to black people so much.
We know that black people are often good at sports..
So maybe there are often less intelligent.
Don't discount the qualities and deficiencies that we inherit.
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Thank you for responding to my post.
It is not possable for me to fully respond to your comments in a forum setting. I know this sounds like a cop out, but entire genetics text books are devoted to this topic. If you are truly interested in Gentics and how it relates ti intelligence etc, The Cold Spring Harbor lab in Long Island N.Y. has a wonderfull on line DNA learning center.
Enjoy
SavetheWest:
I'm not claiming to know anything in detail about genetics, I just see so many times that what is taken as the truth often today in science, can tomorrow become disproven. I'm sure there are scientists who argue about genetics into eternity and I'm sure you also saw that breakthrough, with the find of that homo habilus specimen. It shows that we know so little and many people can take a position and tomorrow it can become irrelevant or take a different turn. Even models and ideas we have been taught as basic scientific principles have often been turned on their head.
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