King Cyrus Of Persia's Universal Declaration Of Human Rights"

[Lisa]

Over a Shabbat dinner, my Iran loving brother in law was talking about KingCyrus's Universal Declaration Of Human Rights.  He said that Yeshivas should teach the subject of King Cyrus, since he was the one that allowed the Jews to go back to Israel and rebuild the Holy Temple.  My brother in law said that without King Cyrus granting that right, there would be no Jewish people. 

Personally, I find that hard to believe. 

Also, does anyone here know about what that Universal Declaration of Human rights really says?  How is it different from the American Bill Of Rights, or the Constitution?  (Sorry if I sound ignorant.)

But what do you guys all think of this? 

[Dnew]

Great question Lisa.
Truth is I don\'t know.
What I do know is that the Persians tolerated the Jews
And allowed them to practice the religion without any problems.

[Lisa]

Maybe I should ask Chaim in the next Ask JTF.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

He said that Yeshivas should teach the subject of King Cyrus, since he was the one that allowed the Jews to go back to Israel and rebuild the Holy Temple.  

I believe this is a reference to the Jewish texts which say so explicitly.  Nothing wrong with teaching about this subject in yeshivot, but there is plenty else to teach, and it seems not a very large subject.

  My brother in law said that without King Cyrus granting that right, there would be no Jewish people. 

Ridiculous.

[Roadwarrior]

Below is what was translated.
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http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Cyrus-Charter-of-Human-Rights
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I am Cyrus, king of the world, great king, mighty king, king of Babylon, king of the land of Sumer and Akkad, king of the four quarters, son of Cambyses, great king, king of Anshan, grandson of Cyrus, great king, king of Anshan, descendant of Teispes, great king, king of Anshan, progeny of an unending royal line, whose rule Bel and Nabu cherish, whose kingship they desire for their hearts' pleasures.
When I, well-disposed, entered Babylon, I established the seat of government in the royal palace amidst jubilation and rejoicing. Marduk, the great God, caused the big-hearted inhabitants of Babylon to ... me. I sought daily to worship him. My numerous troops moved about undisturbed in the midst of Babylon.
I did not allow any to terrorize the land of Sumer and Akkad. I kept in view the needs of Babylon and all its sanctuaries to promote their well-being. The citizens of Babylon ... I lifted their unbecoming yoke. Their dilapidated dwellings I restored. I put an end to their misfortunes.
At my deeds Marduk, the great Lord, rejoiced, and to me, Cyrus, the king who worshipped, and to Cambyses, my son, the offspring of my loins, and to all my troops, he graciously gave his blessing, and in good spirit is before him we/glorified/exceedingly his high divinity.
All the kings who sat in the throne rooms, throughout the four quarters, from the Upper to the Lower Sea, those who dwelt in ... all the kings of the West Country who dwelt in tents, brought me their heavy tribute and kissed my feet in Babylon. From ... to the cities of Ashur and Susa, Agade, Eshnuna, the cities of Zamban, Meurnu, Der, as far as the region of the land of Gutium, the holy cities beyond the Tigris whose sanctuaries had been in ruins over a long period, the Gods whose abode is in the midst of them. I returned to the places and housed them in lasting abodes. I gathered together all their inhabitants and restored to them their dwellings. The Gods of Sumer and Akkad whom Nabonidus had, to the anger of the Lord of the Gods, brought into Babylon, I at the bidding of Marduk, the great Lord made to dwell in peace in their habitations, delightful abodes.
May all the gods whom I have placed within their sanctuaries address a daily prayer in my favour before Bel and Nabu, that my days may long, and may they say to Marduk my Lord, May Cyrus the King who reveres thee, and Cambyses his son .."

[mord]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great   





Cyrus was praised in the Tanakh (Isaiah 45:1-6), though he was also criticized for believing the false report of the Cuthites, who wanted to halt the building of the Second Temple. They accused the Jews of conspiring to rebel, so Cyrus in turn stopped the construction of the temple, which would not be completed until 516BCE, during the reign of Darius the Great, the grandson[citation needed] of Queen Esther.[/u]

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

According to many, (I think about him)- he was Jewish. - The son of Ester the queen (from Purim).

 And anyway the hearts of Kings is in G-d's hands. Their would not be an end to Judaism and Jews no matter what he would have done.

[Lisa]

According to many, (I think about him)- he was Jewish. - The son of Ester the queen (from Purim).

 And anyway the hearts of Kings is in G-d's hands. Their would not be an end to Judaism and Jews no matter what he would have done.

I agree.  So what should I say to my brother in law? 

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

According to many, (I think about him)- he was Jewish. - The son of Ester the queen (from Purim).

 And anyway the hearts of Kings is in G-d's hands. Their would not be an end to Judaism and Jews no matter what he would have done.

I agree.  So what should I say to my brother in law? 

 G-d contols the world. If what he said about this situation was true then we would perish a very long time ago, with the many persecutions, crusades, holocausts, conversions and assimilation, etc. In every generation their are those who rise up agains't us to destroy us. Because of our many sins, we are diminished, hurt, but NEVER to be destroyed entirely becuase of the promise of G-d who said I will chastise you for your sins, but I shall not abandon you, and I will restore you to your land in glory. I will turn the hearts of the children to their fathers and I shall dwell within you.

 - Also direct him to learn some Toroh. Show him the new video's put up, that talks about faith (at least introduces it, etc.). - Maybe start with the New movie of Rabbi Mizrachi (in english, second to last down the list).

[Lisa]

Do you have a link to Rabbi Mizrachi's website?

[muman613]

Do you have a link to Rabbi Mizrachi's website?

Look in Tzvis signature.. its on TorahAnyTime.com

http://www.torahanytime.com/Rabbi/Yossi_Mizrachi/

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Do you have a link to Rabbi Mizrachi's website?

http://www.torahanytime.com/Rabbi/Yossi_Mizrachi/

 Watch and tell other's to watch this video first "Amazing New Movie IN ENGLISH" - Found All the way down, second to last video (the last one is in Hebrew, you can show those who speak Hebrew that one).
 I'm sure afterwards they would want to explore more, soo they can see the many video's above that one. Good luck. You can even gather a few people together (gather your family, friends) in your house and link it to your T.V. and watch it together. Do what you can, good luck, may G-d help you fulfill this awsome Mitzva.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Bless the Almighty G-d. Lisa, somehow I got to listining to this guy now, and the specific question from the Toroh, is adressed right here also (but show the Rav Mizrachi video also, with G-d's help).

 Its a short video,

[Lisa]

Tzvi, is that young man in the video Rabbi Mizrachi?  He looks so young. 

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Tzvi, is that young man in the video Rabbi Mizrachi?  He looks so young. 

lol, no, someone else. But please show the Rav Mizrachi video to your *brother in law(watch it yourself also). Its very important.


Correction- I mean your brother in law, sorry about that. Let me know how it went, ill be waiting.

[Zelhar]

According to many, (I think about him)- he was Jewish. - The son of Ester the queen (from Purim).

 And anyway the hearts of Kings is in G-d's hands. Their would not be an end to Judaism and Jews no matter what he would have done.

I agree.  So what should I say to my brother in law? 

No way, by all accounts (including Jewish tradition) Ahasuerus is clearly a later ruler than Cyrus. What can you tell your in-law: Someone who believes in the bible should know that God has an eternal covenant with his people Israel, and that God wouldn't allow the annihilation of his people. Now the bible praises Cyrus and says God has 'awakened his spirit' and in Yeshaia 45 Cyrus is actually titled Meshiach. There is little point in guessing a 'what if' situation but actually we do have in Jewish history a sort of 'what if' that may answer your in-law. I mean as it happened, some 500 years after Cyrus the second temple was destoryed and Israel went to exile that lasted 1878 years and yet we survived without a second Cyrus.

[Lisa]

Thanks Zelhar!  Great answer.