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Offline SavetheWest

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Obama signed a hideous law today
« on: January 29, 2009, 10:39:40 PM »
As if we don't have enough law suits, now women and minorities can go back 30 years and sue for pay discrimination. This law was written by evil feminists and trial lawyers and think about the implications!   Think about pension money they can sue for and people who are horrible at their job but never got fired.  Now they can subpoena your pay records and pay Laquisha the same as you because you did your job and got a raise and she didn't. 

This gets me so angry!!!

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http://www.wowowow.com/post/will-ledbetter-fair-pay-act-do-more-harm-good-187498

Will Ledbetter Fair Pay Act Do More Harm Than Good?

Lilly Ledbetter won a huge victory in her years-long battle for pay equity for women, but is it possible this long-awaited achievement may have more damaging consequences than she anticipated? Some say "yes."

Congress has approved a civil rights bill providing women, blacks and Hispanics with new tools to challenge pay discrimination at work. Ledbetter was a longtime supervisor at a Goodyear tire plant in Alabama, who for years worked for men who were getting paid more than her — a fact she didn’t realize until much later. Upon the revelation, Ledbetter filed a lawsuit for her back pay, but the Supreme Court rejected her lawsuit and said she should have filed her claim earlier. What the court didn’t address, however, is that many people — not just Ledbetter — don’t realize they’re victims of discrimination until far after their legal window has closed.Ledbetter kept fighting, though, and her efforts invited mounds of criticism.

Lawrence Z. Lorber, a labor law specialist who represents employers, told The New York Times the bill "causes horror among some pension lawyers." He said even retirees will be able to argue that their pension benefits are based on wages that were depressed by unlawful discrimination. Plus, there are others who say the new Ledbetter law will make sex discrimination even worse, and that it punishes supervisors, company directors and shareholders who bear no fault. Republicans and some in the business community also think it could cause an explosion of lawsuits based on old claims and discourage employers from hiring women, among other things.

But those arguments aren’t convincing everyone that Ledbetter isn’t a step in the right direction, particularly women’s groups that pushed hard for the legislation.

"Just getting us back to even is not nearly enough to overcome that stubborn wage gap," co-founder of the Center for Advancement of Public Policy, Martha Burk, writes in The Huffington Post. "Women still make only 77 cents to the dollar a man makes for full-time year-round work. We need more — much more." President Obama will reportedly sign the bill into law today, and said that he’s doing so "for my daughters."


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Re: Obama signed a hideous law today
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 12:15:02 AM »
Now all of the left-wing special interest groups want a piece of the Obama pie.
Such as the 'Society of Hispanic Immigrant Tradesmen' or the 'Coalition of United Negro Teachers'
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Re: Obama signed a hideous law today
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 12:35:15 AM »
He's setting the stage for his relection.  He has to make sure he gets all the groups behind him.  He can only do this for so long.  When he suffers failure, he'll realize he's not as smart as all the white people around him told him he was. 

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Re: Obama signed a hideous law today
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 12:41:59 AM »
It's a little disturbing, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it.  It's a bad law and difficult (thankfully) to enforce.  There will be a great divergence between the law as it is in the books and precedent.

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Re: Obama signed a hideous law today
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 12:54:56 AM »
It's a little disturbing, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it.  It's a bad law and difficult (thankfully) to enforce.  There will be a great divergence between the law as it is in the books and precedent.

They have so many lawsuits already in the US.  People are constantly suing everything from the FBI to the cafe down the street because there are not enough Forest Nenets people working there.  They always win if they have less blacks women, etc, than in the local population.  This will let someone who works now, sue in 20 years because they just realized that they were discriminated.  The US economy can't take this right now and no one is talking about it. 

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Re: Obama signed a hideous law today
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 03:17:38 AM »
I really have not looked into all the particulars on this issue but I have a problem when companies pay hourly employee's at different rates of pay that are doing the same work. Over the years I have seen companies low ball good non union workers on their starting salary and the person never catches up to people doing the same job. If the person is a good worker they should be paid the same as other workers doing the same work. Why should a woman be paid less then a man? This is one of the few arguments for unions and collective bargaining. Once a contract is set people working for the company know what they are going to get its all in black and white. A reasonable union contract not only is good for the worker but the company as well. Its when unions become unreasonable or poor management exists that give the company away that unions become a problem.
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Re: Obama signed a hideous law today
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2009, 04:15:01 AM »
I really have not looked into all the particulars on this issue but I have a problem when companies pay hourly employee's at different rates of pay that are doing the same work. Over the years I have seen companies low ball good non union workers on their starting salary and the person never catches up to people doing the same job. If the person is a good worker they should be paid the same as other workers doing the same work. Why should a woman be paid less then a man? This is one of the few arguments for unions and collective bargaining. Once a contract is set people working for the company know what they are going to get its all in black and white. A reasonable union contract not only is good for the worker but the company as well. Its when unions become unreasonable or poor management exists that give the company away that unions become a problem.

No one is hired on the exact same date and does the exact same work as other people.  I've worked at companies where they hired me at one pay rate and it was different from people who already worked there, and different from people hired later.  Some people are lazy and don't wok as hard so they don't get as much of a raise.  If a bunch of blacks for instance, don't work hard, the employer has the right not to pay them as much.  If he pays them less because they are black, that would be completely wrong.  The fact they could sue, just because they may have different pay from some other person, is crazy.  These lawsuits are already being abused and are one reason companies movie overseas.  If people think it's bad now, you haven't seen anything yet.  They don't need to deal with these liabilities.