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Rhuan:

--- Quote from: yephora on October 19, 2006, 11:08:29 AM ---Oh, these stupid, stupid, suicidal, insanely self-hating Jewish Knesset liberals! What on earth is to be done about them??
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Quick.  Name the only country on earth where loyalty and
patriotism to that country are regarded by that country's own legislature
as a form of racism!

Well, if you said Israel, you win two points and a two-fer-one coupon to
Wonderland.

--- End quote ---
I'm afraid I have to disagree, at the very least add England as a second.

adam613:
I wonder if this would happen if it was Noam Federman. if Israel will continue to make up charges against him. From my own research I don't see that anybody see's women in green as a real threat to the Israeli government. 

I may be in the minority but why does women in the green not join the kahanist. I think it is a fair question to ask? Arutz Sheva won't interview any Kahanist. If they are so concerned about Israel they should support the Kahanist. I don't see anywhere on the website that they do. They also do seem to feel that everything can be achieved through protest which I know Chaim doesn't agree with and I don't either. 

They do seem like thiey have some good intention but they may be another group that is more of a distraction then really doing what needs to be done. I also think that men and women should be working together not seperately on the issue of "survival of Israel" and this group fosters seperation on an issue that men and women should be working together.

If I am wrong please correct me and inform me because from my limited research and my own experience with people that support this group (some men too by the way) from other message boards I belong to that support Kahane "Jewish Club Maoz" (many of them do not support JTF.) Also some don't care about right wing men and their families that are making sacrifices simply because the most public role is by a male. And they support women that aren't bad but are just not at the same level and I think it is wrong to support a women who has does less just because she is a women. According to Chaim that is affirmative action isn't it. They support Caroline Glick who writes for the Jersulam POst and she is not a bad women at all. But what has she done that is so great relative to some of the other people other then being a women. Honestly tell me.  Thanks.

 

Shlomo:

--- Quote from: adam613 on October 23, 2006, 10:39:54 PM ---Arutz Sheva won't interview any Kahanist.
--- End quote ---

Really??? I didn't know that... what do they have against Kahanists?

adam613:
To clarify I don't know if they are against the kahanist but they don't seem to mention them.  My big issue with them is I know JTF has some people that have some issues and some who are frauds. Nevertheless, the people I have had contact with who support women in green may be right wing regarding Israel but my experience has been as are extremely left wing when it comes to feminism. Some support no fault divorce when women divorces men and giving them nothing in return (this of course is equality in divorce)and some support  this "gender feminism" of equality in results regardless of the fact that  men and women have different strengths and weaknesses and have different area's that they naturally have more control in.

The other issue is Ruth Matar's daughter in law Nadia Matar is married to a doctor (don't remember his first name.) Does he do anything? If it is just women doing these right wing activities and the husbands of these women do nothing I really believe it sends the WRONG MESSAGE AND SENDS HARMFUL MESSAGES TO WOMEN WHO MAY BE LEGITIMATELY CONCERNED ABOUT ISRAEL. Family is a very important part of Judaism (and any society)and the Federman's do it as a family. Noam's brave wife is involved and so are his two eldest children both girls. A lot of women want to marry obedient men that they control everything. It is just nature that when a family fights as a family the one that assumes the most public role is the father. We also know the prohibition of men wearing women clothing and women wearing men's cothing and it being called an abomination. (I would think this would apply to behavior as well.)  How far this goes I don't know as obviously certain clothrs and certain behaviors are needed by both sexes. But JTF is very militant on may issues and like I said the women in green have to suppress men to be the most public people in the organization. Of course JTF doesn't do that. It allows women to be part of the group which there have been people like Sara who was a speaker for JTF. What are men suppose to do if their wives are involved with women in green. Especially since some of the groups led by men are banned and don't even have arutz sheva.  I think there is this issue here of women really trying to act like men and showing they can do everything men can do and be as effective in these area's as men would be and this attitude harms the delicate balance that men and women need to love each other, to create healthy children, and to create another generation in which both men and women respect the opposite sex. 

Shlomo:
It almost sounds like feminism.

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