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Re: Muslims behead three young girls for the crime of being Christian
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2007, 05:43:32 PM »
Allah is the name of an old Arabian Moon god, but Hashem (jehova) is being worshipped.

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Re: Muslims behead three young girls for the crime of being Christian
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2007, 05:44:35 PM »
Chaim said Allah is just G-d in Arabic. The G-d you believe in. The religion is the difference but not the monotheistic beliefs.


allah is god in arabic the pagan moon god
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Re: Muslims behead three young girls for the crime of being Christian
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2007, 06:51:42 PM »
A case of muddled verse numbers, what was posted as 9:71 by Marzutra is actually 9:73, the verse is still there though. 9:5 is one over which many people argue, so I will quote all the leading verses:
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1. A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:-

2. Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.

3. And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.

5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Bassically saying that if you have some treaty with a group of non-believers wait until the treaty is up before killing them...

For reference, FFS means "For F*cks Sake", not an expression I like personally...
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Re: Muslims behead three young girls for the crime of being Christian
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2007, 09:25:53 PM »
Chaim said Allah is just G-d in Arabic. The G-d you believe in. The religion is the difference but not the monotheistic beliefs.

That is a very good question Sarah.  Actually there is dispute on this fact.  Many say, including the Rambam, that Allah is the same G-d as HaShem but Mohammad molested the Torah so severely in his quest to create a new war religion to dominate the world and please his own lusts for sex, power and wealth that it is a bigger sin, or blight to G-d, by promulgating such a bastardization. 

The Torah, which is far older than the Qur'an, relates the story about HaShem creating the Earth and man in six days (Genesis, 1) and that HaShem rested on the seventh day: (Genesis, 1-3). The Qur'an also mentions that the Creation takes place within "six days" but never says that G-d had rested on the seventh day. (Al-Sajdah: 4, Al-A�raf: 54)  Therefore one can logically assume, for right or for wrong, that Allah is not the same as HaShem because the Torah clearly states that HaShem/G-d rested on the seventh day.....

This is one clear difference which either Chaim is right or he maybe wrong.  Personally, considering the savagery, imperialism and darkness of Islam, I am inclined to believe that HaShem is not Allah....HaShem wouldn't want any of his faithful acting in such an evil manner... 

The belief that Allah is the ancient moon god is very accurate as well if one wishes to delve into the history of Islam and the various pagan tribes wandering the sands of Arabia and Mesopotamia during the days of Mohammad.  That in mind, it was very logical for the Christians and the Jews to turn Mohammad away as they did...and they certainly didn't deserve to be massacred...of which Arabia today is totally Judenrein and Christianrein...
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Re: Muslims behead three young girls for the crime of being Christian
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2007, 11:09:30 PM »
Sarah, I take extreme offense at the notion that Allah is in any way assosciated with my God. I once posted this on another forum. This is from my perspective as a christian and I hope no offense is taken by my Jewish brothers on this board.



                                                 The Facts: ALLAH VS Hashem

ALLAH = Moon god-----------------------------------------------------------Hashem = I AM
Allah is ONE------------------------------------------------------------------God is ONE (we have observed 3 expressions of himself thus far)
A god of Power---------------------------------------------------------------God of Love
Unreachable------------------------------------------------------------------Reaches out to man
He is Unknowable-------------------------------------------------------------God wants us to know him and He wants to know us
Allah has no personality-------------------------------------------------------God is a person. He think, talks, listens, sees etc
Allah creates evil-------------------------------------------------------------God doesn’t create evil. He hates it!
Allah only "loves" the sinner when he repents-----------------------------------God loves the sinner, hates the sin
Allah does not care or grieve about sin-----------------------------------------Sin grieves God
Allah forgives sin if he wills----------------------------------------------------God can’t wait to forgive. He desires and longs to forgive us!
99 Names – Not one is LOVE---------------------------------------------------606 names - God = LOVE
Allah has NO JOY--------------------------------------------------------------God has plenty of Joy
Allah is not peaceful (although muslims claim he is)------------------------------Yeshua is the prince of Peace... nuff said
Allah does not fellowship with man----------------------------------------------The only thing God wants to do IS fellowship with man
Allah is Master over man-------------------------------------------------------God is our Father, our Dad
Allah is not a god of healing----------------------------------------------------All that God has done so far is about healing and restoration
Allah calls the Muslim his slave--------------------------------------------------God calls EVERYONE His child
Allah is too High & Lifted up to care about people---------------------------------God loves us & cares about us. He wants to be part of our lives
Muslims are nothing as a person, just a slave-------------------------------------You are precious and wonderful in God’s sight whether you believe in him or not
Muslims are still slaves of sin----------------------------------------------------By Yeshua's sacrifice, we are set free
Muslims do good deeds because they have to------------------------------------We do good deeds because we want to
Allah is not a Omniscient Being--------------------------------------------------God is Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent
Quran is full of Historical and scientific errors-------------------------------------Historical and scientific facts consistently confirm the Bible as true
Quran spoken (not written) by one man & it contradicts itself---------------------Bible written by 40 different people – No Contradictions
Islam is religion-----------------------------------------------------------------Christianity is a relationship
Allah swears by his Quran, the pen, creation…------------------------------------God swears by Himself because nothing is more truthful than Him
Islam says DO DO DO – Do works------------------------------------------------Yeshua has already done everything. All that is needed is faith.

I do not post this as a slap in the face to you, Sarah. But I am extremely hurt that my God/Father/Savior/Hero is being associated with Allah. I realize you are probably taught this from your youth but I want you to know that such a view is very hurtful to others. Thanks for your time.

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Re: Muslims behead three young girls for the crime of being Christian
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2007, 12:00:31 AM »
The muslim god is not the same god as christians and jews believe in. Muslims always say that they worship the same god as chrisitans what a disgusting lie.
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Re: Muslims behead three young girls for the crime of being Christian
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2007, 08:14:10 AM »
Sarah, It is true that Muslims pray, similar to the Jews and some Christians, (the exception being the foreign Concept of The Trinity (formerly Juno, Jupiter and Minerva as one example from the former Roman faith..) in 325AD when Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine held the First Council of Nicea to unite all of the various gnostic and pagan religions under one Roman faith: Christianity.), to one sole G-d, although I'm shaky on the subject dealing with the other Ilah Ar Rahman.  Allah seems to enjoy evilness by so many Muslims committing terrorism, rape, murder etc. against innocent men women and children while praying, reading their passages from their bible to/for Allah. 

HaShem hates evilness and evil people.  As a matter of fact it is Kiddush HaShem (a national blessing) to eliminate evil people/Amalek or killing of an evil person/Amalek before he murders you (Yahuda haMaccabbee and Dr. Baruch Goldstein are very good examples).  This is very logical and moral in that if one eliminates evilness in the World all that is left is good.  A good example of how Evil people should be dealt with in HaShem's eyes is in Genesis 34 with the Rape of Dinah by Shechem or Moses killing the Egyptian who was attacking the Jew: Lev. 19:16.  As you know, there is a very big difference between killing and murder.  We are all to be Judged on our deeds and not on faith/prayer alone.  The Jerusalem Talmud: Haggigah comments on Jeremiah 16:11 - "Better that they (The Jew) abandon Me (HaShem) and continue to observe My Laws,"..."Through observance of The Law they will return to Me: (HaShem)."  People choose to do evil deeds, this is free will upon which your savage Muslofascist brethren freely practice through out the world and then work with our/their "progressive" media to promulgate the lie of "Islam is a religion of peace".

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009890

SENSE OF UMMAH

The Trouble With Islam
Sadly, mainstream Muslim teaching accepts and promotes violence.


BY TAWFIK HAMID
Tuesday, April 3, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT

Not many years ago the brilliant Orientalist, Bernard Lewis, published a short history of the Islamic world's decline, entitled "What Went Wrong?" Astonishingly, there was, among many Western "progressives," a vocal dislike for the title. It is a false premise, these critics protested. They ignored Mr. Lewis's implicit statement that things have been, or could be, right.

But indeed, there is much that is clearly wrong with the Islamic world. Women are stoned to death and undergo clitorectomies. Gays hang from the gallows under the approving eyes of the proponents of Shariah, the legal code of Islam. Sunni and Shia massacre each other daily in Iraq. PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi mothers teach 3-year-old boys and girls the ideal of martyrdom. One would expect the orthodox Islamic establishment to evade or dismiss these complaints, but less happily, the non-Muslim priests of enlightenment in the West have come, actively and passively, to the Islamists' defense.

These "progressives" frequently cite the need to examine "root causes." In this they are correct: Terrorism is only the manifestation of a disease and not the disease itself. But the root-causes are quite different from what they think. As a former member of Jemaah Islamiya, a group led by al Qaeda's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, I know firsthand that the inhumane teaching in Islamist ideology can transform a young, benevolent mind into that of a terrorist. Without confronting the ideological roots of radical Islam it will be impossible to combat it. While there are many ideological "rootlets" of Islamism, the main tap root has a name--Salafism, or Salafi Islam, a violent, ultra-conservative version of the religion.

It is vital to grasp that traditional and even mainstream Islamic teaching accepts and promotes violence. Shariah, for example, allows apostates to be killed, permits beating women to discipline them, seeks to subjugate non-Muslims to Islam as dhimmis and justifies declaring war to do so. It exhorts good Muslims to exterminate the Jews before the "end of days." The near deafening silence of the Muslim majority against these barbaric practices is evidence enough that there is something fundamentally wrong.

The grave predicament we face in the Islamic world is the virtual lack of approved, theologically rigorous interpretations of Islam that clearly challenge the abusive aspects of Shariah. Unlike Salafism, more liberal branches of Islam, such as Sufism, typically do not provide the essential theological base to nullify the cruel proclamations of their Salafist counterparts. And so, for more than 20 years I have been developing and working to establish a theologically-rigorous Islam that teaches peace.

Yet it is ironic and discouraging that many non-Muslim, Western intellectuals--who unceasingly claim to support human rights--have become obstacles to reforming Islam. Political correctness among Westerners obstructs unambiguous criticism of Shariah's inhumanity. They find socioeconomic or political excuses for Islamist terrorism such as poverty, colonialism, discrimination or the existence of Israel. What incentive is there for Muslims to demand reform when Western "progressives" pave the way for Islamist barbarity? Indeed, if the problem is not one of religious beliefs, it leaves one to wonder why Christians who live among Muslims under identical circumstances refrain from contributing to wide-scale, systematic campaigns of terror.

Politicians and scholars in the West have taken up the chant that Islamic extremism is caused by the Arab-Israeli conflict. This analysis cannot convince any rational person that the Islamist murder of over 150,000 innocent people in Algeria--which happened in the last few decades--or their slaying of hundreds of Buddhists in Thailand, or the brutal violence between Sunni and Shia in Iraq could have anything to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Western feminists duly fight in their home countries for equal pay and opportunity, but seemingly ignore, under a façade of cultural relativism, that large numbers of women in the Islamic world live under threat of beating, execution and genital mutilation, or cannot vote, drive cars and dress as they please.

The tendency of many Westerners to restrict themselves to self-criticism further obstructs reformation in Islam. Americans demonstrate against the war in Iraq, yet decline to demonstrate against the terrorists who kidnap innocent people and behead them. Similarly, after the Madrid train bombings, millions of Spanish citizens demonstrated against their separatist organization, ETA. But once the demonstrators realized that Muslims were behind the terror attacks they suspended the demonstrations. This example sent a message to radical Islamists to continue their violent methods.

Western appeasement of their Muslim communities has exacerbated the problem. During the four-month period after the publication of the Muhammad cartoons in a Danish magazine, there were comparatively few violent demonstrations by Muslims. Within a few days of the Danish magazine's formal apology, riots erupted throughout the world. The apology had been perceived by Islamists as weakness and concession.

Worst of all, perhaps, is the anti-Americanism among many Westerners. It is a resentment so strong, so deep-seated, so rooted in personal identity, that it has led many, consciously or unconsciously, to morally support America's enemies.

Progressives need to realize that radical Islam is based on an antiliberal system. They need to awaken to the inhumane policies and practices of Islamists around the world. They need to realize that Islamism spells the death of liberal values. And they must not take for granted the respect for human rights and dignity that we experience in America, and indeed, the West, today.

Well-meaning interfaith dialogues with Muslims have largely been fruitless. Participants must demand--but so far haven't--that Muslim organizations and scholars specifically and unambiguously denounce violent Salafi components in their mosques and in the media. Muslims who do not vocally oppose brutal Shariah decrees should not be considered "moderates."

All of this makes the efforts of Muslim reformers more difficult. When Westerners make politically-correct excuses for Islamism, it actually endangers the lives of reformers and in many cases has the effect of suppressing their voices.

Tolerance does not mean toleration of atrocities under the umbrella of relativism. It is time for all of us in the free world to face the reality of Salafi Islam or the reality of radical Islam will continue to face us.

Dr. Hamid, a onetime member of Jemaah Islamiya, an Islamist terrorist group, is a medical doctor and Muslim reformer living in the West.

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"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2007, 06:01:00 PM »
Just on the topic of quranical quotes, here are another few:

Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness
Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

These ones don't really seam very ambiguous to me...

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Re: Muslims behead three young girls for the crime of being Christian
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2007, 08:14:12 PM »
Just on the topic of quranical quotes, here are another few:

Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness
Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

These ones don't really seam very ambiguous to me...
Come now FTF.  You must be "tolerant" to their religious beliefs.  All religions lead to G-d as Dr. Michael Savage stated quite clearly.  We are all loved and created in the image of G-d, even these heavenly individuals will sit with G-d in Heaven for doing such worthy deeds, only they will be greeted by 72 virgins in G-d's rewards for such righteous examples to the world of tolerance.  Cutting off the heads, murdering, raping, robbing and deceiving the un-believer is a cultural thing which you must be more accepting of and tolerant to.  Don't the Universities teach that it is a progressive chemical imbalance caused by the increased levels of C02 destabilizing the atmospheric pressures of hydrofluoric carbon vapors initiating man made global warming instigating the hemoglobin within the frontal lobe of the brain to become highly active which attain higher levels of eco-friendly electro magnetic activity leading the remote, but highly possible, cases of acute mental instability dictating temporary insanity of the cultured Islamic practitioner?  All of the aforementioned are now clearly legal defenses to be used by the ACLU, CAIR and other "progressive" organizations dictating that the Muslims are not responsible for their actions but you are responsible for their actions due to not being "open minded" to embracing diversity leading to the root cause of these remote instances....as Islam is a religion of peace..don't you know? ;)
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"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2007, 08:30:42 PM »
Very nice Marzutra.