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WHAT'S SO IMPORTANT ABOUT HITLER'S WAR ON THE JEWS?
Maccabi:
--- Quote from: Din Rodef on April 04, 2007, 01:55:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fruit of thy loins on April 04, 2007, 10:45:53 AM ---
What is your opinion on that? I don't agree but I think it's always fair to criticize Anglos.
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The thread starter's opinion is very healthy from a Jewish perspective...especially if that Jew happens to live in Israel.
But, if that Jew happens to live in a Gentile nation...then the Gentiles certainly have the right to criticize the opinion of that Jew.
Unfortunately, most Gentile criticism of Jewish accepted Holocaust teaching/interpretation within Gentile Nations is met with, "YOU'RE A NAZI!"
This knee-jerk reaction by Jews to Gentile criticism is a very serious driving force behind recruitment for groups like StørmFrønt. Most White kids have been called racist Nazis so much...that they start to think..."Why don't I become a racist Nazi since I'm going to be accused of being one anyway?"
This is only a conflict because Jews are still living amongst the Gentile Nations.
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Have they been called Nazi's so much? I maybe accused 2 or 3 people out of thousands of people I have met and they had to really [censored] me off. I don't think most white kids have been called racist Nazis...unless they shave their head and discuss racialism all the time, talk bad and act bad.
I think it is fair to look at the Holocaust from a logical perpective. It is not 'blasphemy' to question the holocaust and the Jewish account of what happened. It's perfectly fine to ask questions and want proof and to see resources. The problem is, that the sites and sources mentioned (like the one mentioned by TruthTyper in another thread) are pure garbage. See http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/
Even a 5th grader can see the huge gaps in logic that their arguments make. So most Holocaust deniers come up with proofs and reports which are completely fallible, even by the lowest of the low academic standards. There are huge gaps in the logic, and kids do look at these sites and say see, here is proof, I knew those Jews were lying. Then it just becomes twisted. And then we start to get into relativism arguments like comparing it to any other event like the Indians or whatever.
I think the evidence is pretty damning. They set up train tracks to crematoriums. Even the deniers usually admit this in their models. That shows the intent right there. If that alone isn't foul beyond comprehension, we also have hundreds, maybe thousands of eye-witness accounts of what went down there as well as pictures of stacks of dead bodies.
If you want to look further, you could probably look at government census data for Jewish populations then and now.
It comes down to what Chaim talked about on the show this week about looking at it as a judge and not a lawyer.
From a judge looking at this you can't draw to many other conclusions. The evidence is damning.
Then you have the deniers who get a book from the library and circle one or two questionable passages from a book about the Holocaust and say, see it's all a Jewish propoganda lie.
To me it's not about making kids feel guilty, it's about seeing the truth. Calling a duck a duck instead of a monkey. It's a sin to aquit the guilty so easily...Let alone allow them to go on to try similar deeds or to influence children.
If someone was on trial for shoving 5 of your relatives into a woodchipper, and all the evidence points to show that he did it (machines on their property, remains of bodies etc...) would you get pretty pissed when someone says,
"Well, some Indians got shot once' so it's all relative and uh, they would have needed an extension chord to make the machine work, and there wasn't a hardware store within 30 miles!"
I also think it is sorta ironic how guys like 'Ernst Zundel' worked to free Germany from the 'blood libel' of the Holocaust. When it was actually their 'blood libel' against Jews which was used to rationalize the Holocaust.
I don't believe in calling anyone who questions the Holocaust a Nazi, but I don't believe that a Nazi should be aquitted with sham arguments. Someone who readily believes weak arguments against the Holocaust (with so much evidence that all did occur as accounted) probably is either mentally retarded, a Nazi or has Nazi leanings, or has future Nazi desires.
Nazis are a dirty bunch of treachorous faggots, may every last one of them be obliterated forever.
jsullivan:
Din Rodef, I'm getting tired of seeing your ignorant anti-Semitic comments about how a majority of European Jews tried to undermine Christianity and so on.
The majority of European Jews were NOT leftists. The majority of European Jews lived in countries like Poland and Hungary and were either religious or at least traditionalist. The Jewish leftists were the elitist, assimilated, intermarried Jews who were a distinct MINORITY of the Jewish people.
The Jews undermined Christianity!? You would not have Christianity if not for the Jews! ALL of the original Christians were Jews.
European Jews lived in ghettoes where they had little or no contact with their Christian neighbors. It was not the Jews who sought to convert Christians, it was ALWAYS the other way around.
THE EUROPEANS WHO UNDERMINED CHRISTIANITY WERE NOT THE JEWS, IN FACT, THE EUROPEANS WHO CONVINCED MOST CHRISTIANS TO ABANDON THEIR FAITH WERE THE ANTI-SEMITES LIKE VOLTAIRE, WAGNER AND THE NAZIS. THE UNIVERSITIES WITH "HIGHER CRITICISM" OF THE BIBLE WERE GENTILE INSTITUTIONS THAT GENERALLY DID NOT ADMIT JEWISH STUDENTS.
The Nazis were fanatically anti-Christian, and wanted to restore ancient German paganism. One of the main reasons for European anti-Semitism was that anti-Christian Europeans hated Christianity and blamed the Jews for the religion.
The Jew-hating Nazis, Communists, anarchists and other haters of morality succeeded in persuading the vast majority of Europeans to abandon religion, the Bible and all morals which were condemned as "Jewish weaknesses". The new amoral Europeans - the Nazis, the fascists, the Communists - were all ferociously anti-Semitic, and they were the ones who destroyed Europe, which is now an immoral cesspool.
Before that happened, Europe became the world's dominant continent because of the Jews. The Jews civilized Europe.
When most European Jews were murdered, the largest number of Jews left in the world lived in America, and then America became the world's dominant nation.
One final point to the Jewish writers here who keep saying that the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust is subject to dispute and is not important. You couldn't be more wrong on all counts.
AT LEAST 6 MILLION JEWS WERE MURDERED IN THE HOLOCAUST, AND THE NUMBER IS PROBABLY HIGHER BECAUSE MANY JEWS WHO WERE MURDERED IN SOVIET TERRITORIES WERE NEVER COUNTED. THE NUMBER IS PROBABLY BETWEEN 6.5 MILLION AND 7 MILLION. BUT THE WIMPY JEWS ALWAYS HAVE TO BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO SHOW HOW "OBJECTIVE" AND "FAIR" THEY ARE AND SO JEWISH "SCHOLARS" USE THE MINIMAL NUMBER OF 6 MILLION.
ANYONE WHO CLAIMS THE NUMBER IS LOWER THAN 6 MILLION IS A HOLOCAUST-DENYING NAZI. PERIOD. AND I WILL BAN ANYONE WHO MAKES SUCH A NAZI STATEMENT IMMEDIATELY.
WE IN JTF DO NOT DEBATE NAZIS. WE SMASH THEIR FACES IN. NAZIS HAVE NO RIGHTS. NO RIGHT TO SPEAK AND NO RIGHT TO LIVE. THIS IS A KAHANIST TORAH ORGANIZATION, WHICH MEANS WE ARE AT WAR WITH AMALEK.
Maccabi:
Yes you are right.
It is a huge, huge sin to make light of any of these numbers.
Especially for me.
I feel sick talking about the topic and don't think I'll comment on it for a while
lest I become like those self-hating kikes who bargain with the memories of fellow Jews
for politics or other purposes.
I'll just say this:
May every last drop of blood be avenged.
sat_chit_anand:
How do we create a right-wing interpretation of the holocaust which does not demonize all forms of ethnocentrism and nationalism?
This is what the left have done with it.
Holocaust denial is generally (probably always) politically motivated, and nearly always against Israel.
MassuhDGoodName:
Chaimfan ponders: "...I do not know why your obvious facts aren't more commonly known..."
Actually, Chaimfan, you do know all too well why such is the case!
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