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WHAT'S SO IMPORTANT ABOUT HITLER'S WAR ON THE JEWS?
Din Rodef:
--- Quote from: Beitar on April 07, 2007, 02:33:13 AM ---"Hashem will make sure that Jewish presence in Gentile lands won't be tolerated for much longer. Hashem will send another Holocaust. Don't believe me....Ask Chaim Ben Pesach what he thinks?
Why don't you elaborate on this instead of falsely attributing such controversial quotes to Chaim?
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Why don't you ask Chaim yourself?
Do it on the "Ask JTF" segment....
Ask him this..."Chaim, do you think Hashem will send another Holocaust against the Jews if they don't leave the Gentile Nations and return to Israel?"
I already know his answer...but maybe you need to hear it from him
Trumpeldor:
--- Quote from: Din Rodef on April 07, 2007, 02:35:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: Beitar on April 07, 2007, 02:33:13 AM ---"Hashem will make sure that Jewish presence in Gentile lands won't be tolerated for much longer. Hashem will send another Holocaust. Don't believe me....Ask Chaim Ben Pesach what he thinks?
Why don't you elaborate on this instead of falsely attributing such controversial quotes to Chaim?
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Why don't you ask Chaim yourself?
Do it on the "Ask JTF" segment....
Ask him this..."Chaim, do you think Hashem will send another Holocaust against the Jews if they don't leave the Gentile Nations and return to Israel?"
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Since you believe this and presumably that G-d sent the original Holocaust, I'd love to hear your rationale for it. Chaim has his own opinions; I don't agree with everything he says. But since you supposedly share the same belief, I'd like to hear you defend it.
The Holocaust did not happen because Jews lived in the Galut (exile). While, it is true that it would have been avoided if Jews lived in the Land of Israel, you seem to be steadfast in deliberately confusing correlation with causality.
Din Rodef:
--- Quote from: Beitar on April 07, 2007, 02:37:52 AM ---Since you believe this and presumably that G-d sent the original Holocaust, I'd love to hear your rationale for it.
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Hashem allowed it to happen otherwise it never would have occured. Hashem never does anything without a reason.
The whole point of this thread is that Christian perspective will be different than Jewish perspective. OF course, I already know that most Jews would reject my Christian reasons for believing that Hashem allowed the Holocaust. It is not my intention to change Jewish thinking about their own identity and history. I want Jews to maintain their uniquely Jewish perspective. My point is...I WANT THAT JEWISH PERSPECTIVE TO BE MADE FROM ISRAEL...not the Gentile nations.
--- Quote from: Beitar on April 07, 2007, 02:37:52 AM ---Chaim has his own opinions; I don't agree with everything he says. But since you supposedly share the same belief, I'd like to hear you defend it.
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Chaim is closer to Hashem than any of us are.
--- Quote from: Beitar on April 07, 2007, 02:37:52 AM ---
The Holocaust did not happen because Jews lived in the Galut (exile). While, it is true that it would have been avoided if Jews lived in the Land of Israel, you seem to be steadfast in deliberately confusing correlation with causality.
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You just answered your own question. It could have been avoided if the Jews lived in the Land of Israel. Hashem sent many signs and gave European Jewry many years of warning. Unfortunately, most did not listen.
Sadly, I fear the same thing is happening today.
Din Rodef:
--- Quote from: Beitar on April 07, 2007, 02:33:13 AM ---
You're right, I'm a Jew living in the Diaspora and I'm going to be here for a while. True, I don't 'belong' here, but you're going to have to get used to it.
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You don't belong in the Gentile Nations...
and you are the one that is going to have to "get used to it"
Reflect on the tone of your post...and then ask yourself..."Why would a Gentile want to share his nation with such a hostile guest?"
Din Rodef:
BTW - If I were to get banned for my beliefs.
Then that would only be proving my point that Jews in Diaspora view all opposition as Nazi.
Unfortunately, If Jews are to live in Gentile Lands then they must also consider Gentile opinions. If those opinions are repulsive to them...then they should MOVE TO ISRAEL.
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