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Ethiopian Jews are pro-Israel!
Fruit of thy loins:
The Talmud is Mishnah and Gemara. One can obtain single-volume editions of the Mishnah in English very easily. It is the collection of laws which existed at the time of the Written Torah. The Gemara are commentaries on the Mishnah. Correct me if I am wrong.
dawntreader:
--- Quote ---Oral Torah existed before The Talmud. It was only written down in The Talmud but existed since Mount Sinai.
--- End quote ---
Yacov,
This is just a belief with no direct proof that a majority of we Jews believe today. You must know that the Saducees and Karaite Jews as well (Both legitimate Jewish sects) do not and did not believe in the Oral Tradition for the following reasons:
(I personally, since I found this out...find worth in their arguments.)
1. If the law as it is in the Mishnah, was intended to be oral, then how would it be permissible to be written?
2. The Mishnah quotes many different opinions that contradict one another. IF the Oral Law came from HaShem to Moshe on Sinai, shouldn't there be only ONE opinion? That of G-d?
3. The Mishnah doesn't go on to say in which opinion the truth lies. Rather the Mishnah sometimes says "Others say" agreeing with neither one nor the other, contradicting both. (Since the Bible says that G-d is the same yesterday, today and forever, one would think that G-d would lay down one set of rules...clearly...with no grounds for argument...no room for a "majority opinion, or minority opinion...or "other" opinions.)
4. If the Oral Law came directly to Moshe from HaShem on Sinai, why does it not solely speak in the name of Moshe? Or, more directly, why does it not speak directly in the name of HaShem...saying...This is what the Most High says?
kahaneloyalist:
--- Quote from: dawntreader on April 08, 2007, 04:32:59 AM ---
--- Quote ---Oral Torah existed before The Talmud. It was only written down in The Talmud but existed since Mount Sinai.
--- End quote ---
Yacov,
This is just a belief with no direct proof that a majority of we Jews believe today. You must know that the Saducees and Karaite Jews as well (Both legitimate Jewish sects) do not and did not believe in the Oral Tradition for the following reasons:
(I personally, since I found this out...find worth in their arguments.)
1. If the law as it is in the Mishnah, was intended to be oral, then how would it be permissible to be written?
2. The Mishnah quotes many different opinions that contradict one another. IF the Oral Law came from HaShem to Moshe on Sinai, shouldn't there be only ONE opinion? That of G-d?
3. The Mishnah doesn't go on to say in which opinion the truth lies. Rather the Mishnah sometimes says "Others say" agreeing with neither one nor the other, contradicting both. (Since the Bible says that G-d is the same yesterday, today and forever, one would think that G-d would lay down one set of rules...clearly...with no grounds for argument...no room for a "majority opinion, or minority opinion...or "other" opinions.)
4. If the Oral Law came directly to Moshe from HaShem on Sinai, why does it not solely speak in the name of Moshe? Or, more directly, why does it not speak directly in the name of HaShem...saying...This is what the Most High says?
--- End quote ---
Dawn, I will try to answer your questions as best I can
1. Rebbe Yehuda HaNasi leader of Jewry at the time saw that the Torah SheBaal Peh was in danger of being lost, so he changed the Halacha in this regard so that the Torah Shebaal peh could be written down.
2. True there was origianally only one opinion but questions and disagreements began to arise, the very reason that the law had to be written down.
3. Hashem set down the rule that the Sanhedrin would decide new questions that arise and arent answered directly in the Torah through a majority. There were different opinion on various issues and it would often take many years of debate to decide a issue. If a issue couldnt be decided the question was left open and it was agreed Eliyahu HaNavi would answer the questions when he returned.
4. Moshe was the one who spoke though he did speak in the name of Hashem, so since it was heard from Moshe we say Moshe said. Interestingly the Ethiopian Jews bring their Halachot down like this Hashem spoke to Moshe who spoke to Yehoshua who spoke to the Zikanim who said....
I understand that you are attracted to the Kairites but you must understand that the Sadducem were similiar to Reform in that the movement was created by people who didnt want to follow the stringincies of the Torah so they created a philosophy that allowed them to do what they wanted. Which was primarily to live up Roman "culture".
MassuhDGoodName:
Re: "...That is why there are some American Indians who claim to be lost tribes..."
The most famous of them -- Ed Ames!
I vote to "claim" the ones who own casinos as "our long-lost tribal brethren".
There is also a Black American Indian Tribe who claim to be the lost tribes!
The Ni-ga-ho's!
solomon7:
Shalom all
I have been visiting the www.britam.org for several months now. What i have found on the website is somewhat disturbing bordering on racism. For instance Mr Davidy refuses to condemn the brutal oppressive Apartheid regime that existed in South Africa, he also REFUSES condemn the European enslavement of Africans. To add to this he claims that the original children of Israel were mainly Nordic in appearance.To sum up Britam it is an elitist organisation that borders on white supremacy- the Torah teaches against racism AVOID BRITAM
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