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Re: Obama: US did not sanction Israeli strike on Iran
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2009, 10:42:39 AM »
Biden meant the same thing that Israel can go of its own and shall not depend upon traditional friends.
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Re: Obama: US did not sanction Israeli strike on Iran
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2009, 10:48:21 AM »
I think it's entirely possible with this and the swine flu comment from Biden, that the Democratic establishment might find a way to have Biden find the door to the White House.  There is obviously a rift between him and Obama but more likely this is just to secure the Jewish vote so people think the Obama administration cares about Israel. 

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Re: Obama: US did not sanction Israeli strike on Iran
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2009, 12:18:29 AM »
I don't think Obama and Biden are in a diagreement. What is happening here is the following: USA is economicaly and militarillly and diplomatically weakened, thay don't want to afford another war with Muslims. But, even if Obama is a leftist and pro-Muslim, he is a politician and his career is more important to him than his feelings, and surelly as a leftist liberal he also fears Iran (Most leftists hypocritically support those regimes but, if they are clever, they won't wish the danger spread to the rest of the world). USA has realised that Muslims cannot be apeassed by any means, so they just want to show Obama as a peacenik, and Biden as a hardliner just for political correctennes and balance. That way USA's image is not damaged before leftist Europeans.
Israel attacks Iran with no poltical cost for USA, while America is free to attack North Korea if neccessary. They would have the support of nearly all capitalist countries in Asia.
And Muslims... what shall they do? Perhaps blame USA anyway, but do nothing. They know very well that they have no development and depend on oil, but they cannot eat oil!!! So they will never boycott the West.
Perhaps, in this specific situation, Obama is better than the Republicans both for USA and Israel. A Republican would press on Israel to appease leftist anti-Israeli media, Obama does not need to do so. Nobody doubts he is a Leftist and the world media with be with him no matter what he does. He can simply state that he disagrees with the Israeli attack on Iran, and stay quiet.

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Re: Obama: US did not sanction Israeli strike on Iran
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2009, 12:20:15 AM »
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Re: Obama: US did not sanction Israeli strike on Iran
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2009, 12:59:26 AM »
I really believe that Biden's comments are nothing more than his usual gaffes.
Plain and simple.
He is just an ill-chosen figurehead with no real clue of what his superior wants, believes, and/or cares about.

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Re: Obama: US did not sanction Israeli strike on Iran
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2009, 02:42:05 AM »
I wouldn't say that Biden spoke on his own. The US has many reasons to be worried about Iran. They are already planning an anti-missile programme to protect Europe. And Iran is not only harmfull because of the nuke, they are causing trouble to US interests in Latin America. A nuclear Iran could lead to a world cold war similar to the one with Russia, with the difference that, in this case, Iran would be truly ready to use the nuke.
On the other side, Muslims may be more angry at Obama than they were at Bush. While Bush aproached conflicts with Arabs countries separately and tried to ignore the religious component, Obama openly spoke "to the Muslim world". He was quite favourable to them but he also implied that peace must be approached from the prespective that there is a religious background. And certainly Muslims don't want any peace. They might have felt more comfortable with Bush discussing each conflict separately and playing Taqiyya.
Obama is perhaps pro-Muslim, and surely a leftist, but he is in, no way, willing to to accept an islamic world domination. The alliance between leftists and Muslims is only about far away countries but it comes to an end when the real issue is aproached.
Even more, Obama is from Muslim background and quite far from American traditional majoritarian culture.There will probably never be another American president with such conditions. And he did not grant Arabs all they really want. Muslims may be admitting to themselves what they always knew: No mattter who governs the powers in the West, Islam will not be able to conquer the world without violence. And pehaps America (they have a good intelligence service and know better than us) is considering that fact also.


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Re: Obama: US did not sanction Israeli strike on Iran
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2009, 04:06:10 AM »
I don't think Obama and Biden are in a diagreement. What is happening here is the following: USA is economicaly and militarillly and diplomatically weakened, thay don't want to afford another war with Muslims. But, even if Obama is a leftist and pro-Muslim, he is a politician and his career is more important to him than his feelings, and surelly as a leftist liberal he also fears Iran (Most leftists hypocritically support those regimes but, if they are clever, they won't wish the danger spread to the rest of the world). USA has realised that Muslims cannot be apeassed by any means, so they just want to show Obama as a peacenik, and Biden as a hardliner just for political correctennes and balance. That way USA's image is not damaged before leftist Europeans.
Israel attacks Iran with no poltical cost for USA, while America is free to attack North Korea if neccessary. They would have the support of nearly all capitalist countries in Asia.
And Muslims... what shall they do? Perhaps blame USA anyway, but do nothing. They know very well that they have no development and depend on oil, but they cannot eat oil!!! So they will never boycott the West.
Perhaps, in this specific situation, Obama is better than the Republicans both for USA and Israel. A Republican would press on Israel to appease leftist anti-Israeli media, Obama does not need to do so. Nobody doubts he is a Leftist and the world media with be with him no matter what he does. He can simply state that he disagrees with the Israeli attack on Iran, and stay quiet.

Last EU elections showed Europe as mainly conservative and leftists have severely lost ground! So this cannot be one of the concerns!

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Re: Obama: US did not sanction Israeli strike on Iran
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2009, 08:41:41 PM »
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Last EU elections showed Europe as mainly conservative and leftists have severely lost ground! So this cannot be one of the concerns!


Does it matter? Obama belongs to the most leftist wing of the Democratic Party in USA, no matter whether the Left is losing power or not, he will always try to look well before leftists in Europe and America. He knows conservatives will never support him.

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Re: Obama: US did not sanction Israeli strike on Iran
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2009, 12:40:55 PM »
Ah, okay. You are right. I know about German leftists who made pro-Obama campaigns in Germany. And I wondered how many Germans would (or COULD) vote for him and how all this hysteria about him would make sense!  :::D :::D It would just be as someone making a campaign in Los Angeles for our German chancellor!  :::D