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A Message to JTF from Din Rodef

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Shahar Adom:
To JTF,

Alliances are formed when two parties are able to forge a bond based on common interest and mutual understanding. A true union only happens when both sides feel that they are equally represented and their positions are equally considered. Alliances are NOT formed when one side is perceived to dominate and force submission of the other. Alliances are not formed when one side is percieved to censor, slander or demonize the perspective of the other.

At JTF, I believe that Christians and Jews have a common interest in supporting the Biblical Jewish right to the Land of Israel. But, I do not believe that they share a common understanding when it comes to the internal politics of the Gentile Nations.

At the JTF forum, most Jewish positions in regards to Gentile politics are spoken of freely and without censorship. I absolutely support the free expression of Jewish perspective and political opinion. But, I do not believe that there is a balance between the Jewish perspective and the Gentile perspective in regards to Gentile politics. Many Gentile beliefs are NOT permitted at JTF and will result in ridicule or banning. This censorship of thought does not lead to a healthy exchange of ideas and understanding between the two sides. On the contrary, it leads to suspicion and possibly even anger between the parties. There are many Gentiles at JTF that have opinions about Gentile politics that they don't share for fear of "offending" the Jews in the forum. Many of these Gentiles feel that they must "appease" the Jews in order to show their support for Israel.

Censorship of thought cannot lead to a true alliance between Christians and Jews in America. On the contrary, it can only lead to a false alliance. This false alliance would be based on the quiet submission of the White Christian American Gentile perspective to the Jewish perspective.

Gentiles should NEVER feel that they have to appease Jews in regards to Gentile politics. As long as Jews continue to live in Diaspora amongst Gentile Nations, then Jews must be willing to accept differing opinions and even criticism from the Gentiles. If Diaspora Jews are not willing to understand or consider the Gentile perspectives then they might be more comfortable living in Israel.

I would like to thank the moderators and members of the JTF forum for helping me learn a very important lesson. I now understand that a true Christian/Jewish alliance in America is NOT possible. Therefore, I am no longer going to devote my time to pursuing such a union.

Chaim Ben Pesach is a brilliant man and a beautiful Jew. But I discovered that many of his followers at JTF are nothing like him. I do not hold Chaim responsible for the vile slurs that were directed at me by certain self-hating Diaspora Jews and culturally-confused Noahide Gentile members of the JTF forum.

I support the Biblical Jewish right to the Land of Israel, because Hashem commands it.

I will continue to support Chaim Ben Pesach and his goal of establishing a Torah government in Israel. However, I will NOT support the presence of Jews within the Gentile Nations. The Diaspora ended in 1948, and now there are few Biblical reasons for Jews to remain living outside of their promised land. Chaim is not allowed to enter Israel because of the current Bolshevik dictatorship, so he has my full support to remain in the United States until he is able to make Aliyah in the future. (G-d willing)

I would like to remind the members of JTF that it is a SIN for Jews to continue living outside of Eretz Israel now that the Diaspora has ended. The exile was intended to be punishment. All Jews that remain living in the Gentile Nations MUST make Aliyah. If Jews continue to defy the commandments of Hashem then they will suffer the wrath of Hashem. (G-d forbid)

Christian Gentiles will also suffer the wrath of Hashem if they continue to support the presence of Jews within the Gentile Nations. Christians must give their Jewish friends some "tough love" by firmly telling them that they must make Aliyah. Christians must tell their Jewish friends that they were welcome as guests during the Diaspora, but now that the exile has ended it is time for Jews to fulfill their destiny by returning to Eretz Israel.

During my short time at the JTF forum, many members falsely accused me of being a "Nazi" for my statements. Both of my grandfathers were US soldiers and they were shot fighting the Nazis in World War II. My grandfather on my father's side was a paratrooper in the 101st Airborne. He parachuted into occupied Europe on D-Day. My grandfather on my mother's side fought deep into the heart of Germany as an infantryman. He was one of the first US soldiers to meet the Russians at the Elbe River. I will not allow the memory and sacrifices of my grandfathers to be defiled. They did not courageously fight Hitler's army in Europe so that their grandson could grow up to be visciously insulted by ungrateful Jews. I will NEVER again put myself and my family in a position to be insulted by Jews, and that is the defining reason as to why I will no longer support a Christian/Jewish alliance in America.

Finally, I would like to send a message to the specific JTF members that slurred the memory of my grandfathers' sacrifices during World War II. "YOU CAN F'IN BURN IN HELL!"

This is my final post at JTF.

Shahar Adom (formerly known as Din Rodef)

ftfl:
Just to clear things up, i your reading this, I never had annything against you, if you belived I was directing any negative comments towards you, you were misinterpreting my posts, I did make a lot of negative comments yesterday, but they were aimed at the holocaust denier "truth"typer, not you.

genteelgentile:
 It really is a damn shame it got to this point.  I hate the fact that Din Rodef felt the way he did, as I liked most of what he wrote.  I hope everybody takes into consideration what he pointed out, whether you agree with him or not.

Dr. Dan:

--- Quote from: Shahar Adom on April 08, 2007, 08:32:15 AM ---To JTF,

Alliances are formed ..................................................


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Well, I'm just going to have to disagree with your opinion, even though in principle you are right. Jews should live in Israel...But man, it's so absolutist and so black and white that i cannot accept it.  Please allow us still in exile to wander the Sinai desert for 40 years. Gd will help our children and grandchildren.

and also...take it easy, man.  No sense on being an angry Jew all the time. You are on this earth once. make the most of it and enjoy some of it, please.

cjd:

--- Quote from: genteelgentile on April 08, 2007, 09:50:28 AM --- It really is a damn shame it got to this point.  I hate the fact that Din Rodef felt the way he did, as I liked most of what he wrote.  I hope everybody takes into consideration what he pointed out, whether you agree with him or not.

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Yes you put it exactly right genteelgentile its a damn shame it got to this point. I too liked much of what Din Rodef said in other posts but as I said yesterday I think he painted himself into a corner with the Diaspora issue. The whole thread was upsetting on many levels. Debate is one thing but what went on in that thread between Din Rodef and a few other members was in the worse taste. I think that he was put into a position of defending a bad post because of some viscous personal attacks made on him in that thread. Maybe they have a better picture of what Din Rodef is like but they should have just left it to the administrators to ban him when they were able to. The thing that bothered me about Din Rodefs banning is that he honestly seemed to respect Chaim and JTF. Its to bad he had to be banned at the same time they banned TruthTyper II who was just an all out agitator. As always I respect the administrators decisions they have a tough job.

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