How much money is required to make JTF into a mass movement?

[The One and Only Mo]

My dad plays the NY mega million with the 245 million dollar (in that range) jackpot.  If he wins then Bli Neder I will give a very generous donation to JTF.

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

                                                                                                                                                             בס''ד

If we had $10 million, I believe that we would be a mass movement in Israel within a year.

[RanterMaximus]

Here in Virginia, our powerball is up to $325 million!  If I win it, JTF can count on a nice donation from me.  Just don't tell my ex-wife!

[Rubystars]

Instead of waiting for a lottery is there any way to get a donor list together that may actually add up to this amount? Can we get 80 people to give 125,000? There are many very successful Jewish people in the United States. It seems like there would be at least 80 of them that were righteous enough to be convinced to help JTF, especially if they knew what it would mean for Israel.

[patches]

I read somewhere that Rabbi Kahane raised up to $500,000 a year in contributions during the 1980's, and that's 1980's money. Talk about movers and shakers!

[Confederate Kahanist]

We ought to see if some of the very few right wing millionaire Jews in the United states would be willing to give a large sum to JTF.

[Moshe92]

One of the richest Jews in the United States is Sheldon Adelson who owns a lot of hotels in Las Vegas. He used to be the third richest person in the United States. He's now the 178th richest person in the United States because the economic crisis hurt his hotels, but he's still a billionaire. He gives a lot of money to Jewish causes, and it says on wikipedia that he's against the creation of a Palestinian state. It would be great if he knew about JTF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson

[FreedomFighter08]

Adelson gives $25 million each year to Birthright Israel. He would have no problem giving $10 million. Chaim needs to email him and describe the JTF and Meir Kahane. Tell him that it protects Jews everywhere and that we would like a donation so we can make JTF into a mass movement.

[Rubystars]

Adelson gives $25 million each year to Birthright Israel. He would have no problem giving $10 million. Chaim needs to email him and describe the JTF and Meir Kahane. Tell him that it protects Jews everywhere and that we would like a donation so we can make JTF into a mass movement.

If he balks at that large of an amount, maybe you could ask him to invest a smaller amount first, then see how it is used. Since Chaim and JTF wil use it well and there will be very little waste, then he will see a real value in investing in JTF. I hope this is a good potential donor.

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

We sent Adelson's foundation a letter in the mail about 2 years ago. He never responded. But it's very possible that he never even saw the letter.

[SW]

How will JTF become a mass movement if Chaim is not allowed to enter Israel?
It's like the US president is not allowed to enter the USA. I think it doesn't work. If JTF will become one day maybe a mass movement then only in the USA or with another chairman who is allowed to enter Israel.

[Zelhar]

Adelson is also very involved in Israeli affairs. He has a free daily newspaper "Israel Hayom", which is supporting Netanyahu. He is also supposed to be "friend" with Netanyahu and some other Israeli establishment persons.

I don't think there is even a remote chance that he would donate to JTF.

[Confederate Kahanist]

We sent Adelson's foundation a letter in the mail about 2 years ago. He never responded. But it's very possible that he never even saw the letter.

I guess someone from JTF can send him an email.

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

How will JTF become a mass movement if Chaim is not allowed to enter Israel?
It's like the US president is not allowed to enter the USA. I think it doesn't work. If JTF will become one day maybe a mass movement then only in the USA or with another chairman who is allowed to enter Israel.

If we have $10 million, we will become a mass movement even if I am not allowed to go to Israel. We can reach the people through the internet with that type of money.

[SW]

How will JTF become a mass movement if Chaim is not allowed to enter Israel?
It's like the US president is not allowed to enter the USA. I think it doesn't work. If JTF will become one day maybe a mass movement then only in the USA or with another chairman who is allowed to enter Israel.

If we have $10 million, we will become a mass movement even if I am not allowed to go to Israel. We can reach the people through the internet with that type of money.

Of course we will become a mass movement with $10 million or more. Hopefully!
Yes, we can reach people through the internet with that money. But does JTF want to be an internet mass movement or a real mass movement?
So the JTF would be first in the USA a mass movement (which is not wrong). But the goal is Israel, right?
Momently JTF is only an internet organization with websites and its forums.

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

How will JTF become a mass movement if Chaim is not allowed to enter Israel?
It's like the US president is not allowed to enter the USA. I think it doesn't work. If JTF will become one day maybe a mass movement then only in the USA or with another chairman who is allowed to enter Israel.

If we have $10 million, we will become a mass movement even if I am not allowed to go to Israel. We can reach the people through the internet with that type of money.

Of course we will become a mass movement with $10 million or more. Hopefully!
Yes, we can reach people through the internet with that money. But does JTF want to be an internet mass movement or a real mass movement?
So the JTF would be first in the USA a mass movement (which is not wrong). But the goal is Israel, right?
Momently JTF is only an internet organization with websites and its forums.

An internet mass movement is a real mass movement.

Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity only have radio shows. Does anyone doubt that they can influence millions of people with their programs?

The news media only have media outlets. Does anyone doubt their power to influence? The media elected a black Muslim president. They had no street organization and no chapters. Just media programs and that was enough to elect a president.

If we became a mass movement on the internet, we would also become a mass movement with chapters in Israel. But even on the internet, if we were influencing hundreds of thousands in a small country like Israel, we would change history.

[The One and Only Mo]

Are we looking to attract mostly Jews in Israel, or people anywhere?

[SW]

How will JTF become a mass movement if Chaim is not allowed to enter Israel?
It's like the US president is not allowed to enter the USA. I think it doesn't work. If JTF will become one day maybe a mass movement then only in the USA or with another chairman who is allowed to enter Israel.

If we have $10 million, we will become a mass movement even if I am not allowed to go to Israel. We can reach the people through the internet with that type of money.

Of course we will become a mass movement with $10 million or more. Hopefully!
Yes, we can reach people through the internet with that money. But does JTF want to be an internet mass movement or a real mass movement?
So the JTF would be first in the USA a mass movement (which is not wrong). But the goal is Israel, right?
Momently JTF is only an internet organization with websites and its forums.

An internet mass movement is a real mass movement.

Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity only have radio shows. Does anyone doubt that they can influence millions of people with their programs?

The news media only have media outlets. Does anyone doubt their power to influence? The media elected a black Muslim president. They had no street organization and no chapters. Just media programs and that was enough to elect a president.

If we became a mass movement on the internet, we would also become a mass movement with chapters in Israel. But even on the internet, if we were influencing hundreds of thousands in a small country like Israel, we would change history.

If you only want to stay in the internet then you are right and I agree. So I hope we can change fight Terrorism and our enemies through the internet. Let's wait and see what will happen with the JTF in the next few years. How fast we are growing and so on.

[RanterMaximus]

It's too bad that a Jewish man like Michael Savage, with all of his money and power, doesn't give JTF a voice on his show.  He should at least pay royalties from all of the material he has stolen over the years.

[patches]

I have a suggestion or two:

I recently read that during the classic JDL periods of the 70s and 80s a strong majority of Jews viewed the organization unfavorably. However as high as one third of Israeli youth viewed the JDL in a positive light. I'm sure many of us realize this translates to the JTF as well. A large portion of JTFers are younger in age.

Now, in my opinion the most popular videos on youtube are comedy videos. If they're really funny a lot of times they even put them on tv. Take the QPTV show, Drinking With Bob. Bob's comedy sketches are right-wing in nature, even racist sometimes, and his videos all have clicks of around 20,000 views. Some videos have around 100,000 to 200,000 views. And through this exposure he sells t-shirts and other merchandise, and himself as well.

I don't think it would be appropriate for Chaim to get into this himself, he should keep on doing what he's doing. But for other JTFers, I think instead of doing these slide-show propaganda films, that only get a few hundred clicks at most, JTFers should vier over into some JTF-style comedy. This would have a broader youth appeal. Just a suggestion.

Also, youtube has a Promote Video tool where you pay for the site to advertise your videos. I don't know how it works exactly, but it might be something to look into.

[Irish Zionist]

I have a suggestion or two:

I recently read that during the classic JDL periods of the 70s and 80s a strong majority of Jews viewed the organization unfavorably. However as high as one third of Israeli youth viewed the JDL in a positive light. I'm sure many of us realize this translates to the JTF as well. A large portion of JTFers are younger in age.

Now, in my opinion the most popular videos on youtube are comedy videos. If they're really funny a lot of times they even put them on tv. Take the QPTV show, Drinking With Bob. Bob's comedy sketches are right-wing in nature, even racist sometimes, and his videos all have clicks of around 20,000 views. Some videos have around 100,000 to 200,000 views. And through this exposure he sells t-shirts and other merchandise, and himself as well.

I don't think it would be appropriate for Chaim to get into this himself, he should keep on doing what he's doing. But for other JTFers, I think instead of doing these slide-show propaganda films, that only get a few hundred clicks at most, JTFers should vier over into some JTF-style comedy. This would have a broader youth appeal. Just a suggestion.

Also, youtube has a Promote Video tool where you pay for the site to advertise your videos. I don't know how it works exactly, but it might be something to look into.

What JTF is doing is NOT propaganda!!! It's the truth and if you can't see that then why did you join?

[patches]

No offense, wrong word choice. I was commenting more on the style of the films than the actual content.

[RanterMaximus]

How will JTF become a mass movement if Chaim is not allowed to enter Israel?
It's like the US president is not allowed to enter the USA. I think it doesn't work. If JTF will become one day maybe a mass movement then only in the USA or with another chairman who is allowed to enter Israel.

If we have $10 million, we will become a mass movement even if I am not allowed to go to Israel. We can reach the people through the internet with that type of money.

Of course we will become a mass movement with $10 million or more. Hopefully!
Yes, we can reach people through the internet with that money. But does JTF want to be an internet mass movement or a real mass movement?
So the JTF would be first in the USA a mass movement (which is not wrong). But the goal is Israel, right?
Momently JTF is only an internet organization with websites and its forums.

An internet mass movement is a real mass movement.

Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity only have radio shows. Does anyone doubt that they can influence millions of people with their programs?

The news media only have media outlets. Does anyone doubt their power to influence? The media elected a black Muslim president. They had no street organization and no chapters. Just media programs and that was enough to elect a president.

If we became a mass movement on the internet, we would also become a mass movement with chapters in Israel. But even on the internet, if we were influencing hundreds of thousands in a small country like Israel, we would change history.

Yes, the internet is a powerful tool.  Matt Drudge broke the Clinton/Lewinsky affair story when the media would not touch it and it became the biggest politica storyl since Watergate, with Clinton being impeached.  The forged documents against President Bush and his national guard record where discovered by bloggers who exposed CBS for the liberal liars they where and that role played a huge role in helping Bush get re-elected.  If the internet is to be JTF's soapbox, then so be it.