What Do You Think Of Marrying Outside Your Ethnic Group?

[mord]

Thats not a racial observation a Jew religiously should marry another Jew

[newman]

And this doesn't sound like a nationalistic ideology? Whats the difference between that and WN? Because one law is written in a book and the other is not?


I'm not a WN or Jew, so I don't have those laws in my book.

Yes Jews are a nation, but NOT a race. It is irrelevant what laws YOU choose to follow. Under the religious laws that define who a Jew is, a Jew(of ANY race/colour) can only marry another Jew(of ANY race/clour).

There is ZERO equivalence between this religious law and white nationalism. I hope this clears up any misunderstanding you may have had, FlashIce.

[Shlomo]

And this doesn't sound like a nationalistic ideology? Whats the difference between that and WN? Because one law is written in a book and the other is not?

I'm not a WN or Jew, so I don't have those laws in my book.

And, now, we don't have your garbage in our forum.

He was banned.

http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=5997.msg64492#msg64492

[German Christ]

Should individual gentile races stay pure? Should Caucasoids only date Caucasoids and same with Mongoloids, and Negroids?
And most of all, should Europeans or people of Euro descent (like persians, americans, etc..) only date other Europeans? I truly believe so.

Hard thing. I would love to marry an american woman,  because I don't like most of the German girls.  But I think there shouldn't be marriage between White and Black and Asian people. This is strange I think. And of course no marriage between the same sex!!
I have ssen a german tv show were ttruly an iranian muslim has married an jewish israelian woman! This is just a crime I think, but our great media told it borderless love...

[mord]

Well if you marry a American woman she'll probably be of European descent,her ancestors probably would have been European

[Mstislav]

Should individual gentile races stay pure? Should Caucasoids only date Caucasoids and same with Mongoloids, and Negroids?
And most of all, should Europeans or people of Euro descent (like persians, americans, etc..) only date other Europeans? I truly believe so.

Hard thing. I would love to marry an american woman,  because I don't like most of the German girls.  But I think there shouldn't be marriage between White and Black and Asian people. This is strange I think. And of course no marriage between the same sex!!
I have ssen a german tv show were ttruly an iranian muslim has married an jewish israelian woman! This is just a crime I think, but our great media told it borderless love...

There should not be any marriages between muslim and non muslim. I would like to see how long this 'borderless love' lasts.

[Ashkenazi]

To who ever started this thread, I could tell you the orthodox point of view, anyways, I was raised by my parents which are orthodox jews my father up to this day is a still rabbi and during my teen years my father would review the laws of the talmud to me on saturdays for an hour, he always tended to talk about how bad race mixing was and that I should only have marry and have intercourse with a ethnically jewish girls and that judaism is only written in our inheritance not non ethnically jewish people as a kid and up to this day my father and his friends which are rabbis they themselves refer to wanabe jews or converts (non ethnically jewish people) as stupid goy and a big danger to jewish idenity, personally Im not religious but believe and live by the talmuds laws, so yes I agree that that gentiles and jews should stay pure anyone who says jews arnt a race is lying to themselves because their is such thing as jewish blood any critics care to disprove that? and lets not forget the holocaust this is what inflames me and pisses me of about people saying jews are not a race, during the holocaust the nazi's didnt determine jews by whoever wore a kippa or had a menorah, they did it by the means of whoever was ethnically a jew, I'd love for one of you "jews are not a race" critics to say that too a holocaust survivor see what they have to say and if jews arnt a race what race am I then if not jewish?

[Mstislav]

To who ever started this thread, I could tell you the orthodox point of view, anyways, I was raised by my parents which are orthodox jews my father up to this day is a still rabbi and during my teen years my father would review the laws of the talmud to me on saturdays for an hour, he always tended to talk about how bad race mixing was and that I should only have marry and have intercourse with a ethnically jewish girls and that judaism is only written in our inheritance not non ethnically jewish people as a kid and up to this day my father and his friends which are rabbis they themselves refer to wanabe jews or converts (non ethnically jewish people) as stupid goy and a big danger to jewish idenity,

So your father and his friends do not like converts to Judaism? No wonder orthodox rabbis vigorously discourage potential converts. Other rabbis will take on potential converts as long as the person wanting to convert is sincere and willing to study and fullfil the 613 mitzvot.

[MarZutra]

I think I had already posted earlier that this thread was started by a Nazi StørmFrønt ignoramis....

[Ashkenazi]

To who ever started this thread, I could tell you the orthodox point of view, anyways, I was raised by my parents which are orthodox jews my father up to this day is a still rabbi and during my teen years my father would review the laws of the talmud to me on saturdays for an hour, he always tended to talk about how bad race mixing was and that I should only have marry and have intercourse with a ethnically jewish girls and that judaism is only written in our inheritance not non ethnically jewish people as a kid and up to this day my father and his friends which are rabbis they themselves refer to wanabe jews or converts (non ethnically jewish people) as stupid goy and a big danger to jewish idenity,

So your father and his friends do not like converts to Judaism? No wonder orthodox rabbis vigorously discourage potential converts. Other rabbis will take on potential converts as long as the person wanting to convert is sincere and willing to study and fullfil the 613 mitzvot.

Yes they do fiercly and find them offensive, I personally find converts to be offensive, a convert wearing a kippa is like a jew wearing a swastika it just dosent make sense to me to what would drive a goy to follow a religion that clearly inst written in their inheritance or to what would drive a jew to accept a convert or marry a convert or even bear children to one yuck LOL!  All accepting converts does is put infiltrators amoung our people and religion and give them the same rights as us which does nothing but cause miscegenation which taints our blood and converts never tend to follow or take our religion as serious as a jew would simply because its not ideal for them and they know it, all the following applies in the same way to a jew that converts to christianity for example.

[EagleEye]

Ashkenazi is incorrect.  A race must have distinguishing physical characteristics.  Sephardic Jews resemble Italians and Arabs, Ahskenazi Jews resemble Armenians and Kurds, therefore neither are "distinct" as he claims.  Both however, are non-German.  Judaism is inheritance of a religious tradition.

[Mstislav]

Only Orthodox rabbis will make converts fulfill all the mitzvot.

Most converts would follow all the mitzvot on their own and tend to move towards orthodoxy. Have you read conversion stories of people who converted to Judaism?

[Mstislav]

Yes they do fiercly and find them offensive, I personally find converts to be offensive, a convert wearing a kippa is like a jew wearing a swastika it just dosent make sense to me to what would drive a goy to follow a religion that clearly inst written ininheritanc their e or to what would drive a jew to accept a convert or marry a convert or even bear children to one yuck LOL!  All accepting converts does is put infiltrators amoung our people and religion and give them the same rights as us which does nothing but cause miscegenation which taints our blood and converts never tend to follow or take our religion as serious as a jew would simply because its not ideal for them and they know it, all the following applies in the same way to a jew that converts to christianity for example.

If orthodox rabbis find converts offensive, then why bother taking one on in the first place, even if they are sincere? That does not make sense at all. Why do the rabbis not tell the potential convert everything you just told us? Would it make you feel any better if converts married other converts? Jews have the same rights as everyone else in other countries, muslim cesspools not included, you should keep that in mind before you deplore converts having the same rights as ethnic Jews in Judaism.

[MarZutra]

If orthodox rabbis find converts offensive, then why bother taking one on in the first place, even if they are sincere? That does not make sense at all. Why do the rabbis not tell the potential convert everything you just told us? Would it make you feel any better if converts married other converts? Jews have the same rights as everyone else in other countries, muslim cesspools not included, you should keep that in mind before you deplore converts having the same rights as ethnic Jews in Judaism.
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I don't believe this to be true at all.  Every Othodox Rabbi I have ever met loves to have sincere converts.  Any Convert to Othodox Judaism is just as "Jewish" as anyone else.  Orthodox Rabbi's turn away, or deny, conversion numerous time to pending converts to make sure that their conversions are sincere and it is something they truly want to do and not to do it and then "lose interest" sort of speak.  My Othodox Rabbi's wife is the daughter of a convert to display the aforementioned logic.

[Ashkenazi]

Yes they do fiercly and find them offensive, I personally find converts to be offensive, a convert wearing a kippa is like a jew wearing a swastika it just dosent make sense to me to what would drive a goy to follow a religion that clearly inst written ininheritanc their e or to what would drive a jew to accept a convert or marry a convert or even bear children to one yuck LOL!  All accepting converts does is put infiltrators amoung our people and religion and give them the same rights as us which does nothing but cause miscegenation which taints our blood and converts never tend to follow or take our religion as serious as a jew would simply because its not ideal for them and they know it, all the following applies in the same way to a jew that converts to christianity for example.

If orthodox rabbis find converts offensive, then why bother taking one on in the first place, even if they are sincere? That does not make sense at all. Why do the rabbis not tell the potential convert everything you just told us? Would it make you feel any better if converts married other converts? Jews have the same rights as everyone else in other countries, muslim cesspools not included, you should keep that in mind before you deplore converts having the same rights as ethnic Jews in Judaism.

I dont know why they take one in the first place, I think its maybe because you cant discriminate in todays society and they (non jews) always come seeking to be converted in the first place other than that I dont know Ive only been told the do's and donts of judaism, other than that Mstislav you have your opinion on converts I have mine we'll leave it at that.

[Ashkenazi]

Ashkenazi is incorrect.  A race must have distinguishing physical characteristics.  Sephardic Jews resemble Italians and Arabs, Ahskenazi Jews resemble Armenians and Kurds, therefore neither are "distinct" as he claims.  Both however, are non-German.  Judaism is inheritance of a religious tradition.

Accually all the ahskenazi's I knew hardly resembled armenians or kurds they looked more like slavs and anglo's  but with all the stero typical jew features of an ahskenazi, most orthodox jews in general are of eastern european orgin.

[Erica]

All humans are NOT equal, YOU ARE LISTENING TO TOO MUCH LIBERAL PROPAGANDA. read my other post in this forum, about the jews being the master race.
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Sarah, how about you go to Al Sharpton's forum and beign posting there about the blacks being superior above all else. hell, you can take Mack-Satanist-B with you. But as for us, we will stay on JTF and fight the descendents of Ham and we shall win!

However, you two seem to want to get on your knees whenever you are in a dark room and see floating teeth and eyes around. You are a disgrace to this website, I should say.

Leave Sarah alone. She never said thta blacks are superior to anyone, she's saying that race mixing isn't a big deal. If you love someone you should have the freedom to choose who you'd like to spend your days with. That's a human emotion. YOU are an animal...I put you in the same category as evil black people.

[MarZutra]

Erica, much of what you say is true but the foundations are built on the back of a mass amount of Socialist/Communist propaganda: "multiculturalism" "diversity" "melting pot" etc.  Yes if two people love each other, logically, they'd want to be together.  On the same token, if one truly had admiration for their individual being: culture, heritage, faith, nationhood, ethnicity etc. they'd want to be with someone of the same, especially if they wish to see their specific aforementioned values continued on to the next generation; via their offspring.  This is the reason why Jews have not disappeared or "melted" away like many other peoples because Judaism is directly opposed to these "enlightened" Utopian Socialistic Marxian ineptitudes.  Extened onto this is the failure of "diversity" and "multiculturalism" and the bankruptcy of the ideological specificities of communalism: socialism in general.  If one looks at any Western city, they will see different communities built solely on the aforementioned qualities and not "melting" or to put it more accurately, as the ideologies suggest, to distroy: culture, family, nation, individual, religion etc. to "progress" the purely academically proven outcome of everyone being "equal" living in a great communal utopia.

It was a good post Erica and a very good indication on how the mind of the left operates

[Erica]

Erica, much of what you say is true but the foundations are built on the back of a mass amount of Socialist/Communist propaganda: "multiculturalism" "diversity" "melting pot" etc.  Yes if two people love each other, logically, they'd want to be together.  On the same token, if one truly had admiration for their individual being: culture, heritage, faith, nationhood, ethnicity etc. they'd want to be with someone of the same, especially if they wish to see their specific aforementioned values continued on to the next generation; via their offspring.  This is the reason why Jews have not disappeared or "melted" away like many other peoples because Judaism is directly opposed to these "enlightened" Utopian Socialistic Marxian ineptitudes.  Extened onto this is the failure of "diversity" and "multiculturalism" and the bankruptcy of the ideological specificities of communalism: socialism in general.  If one looks at any Western city, they will see different communities built solely on the aforementioned qualities and not "melting" or to put it more accurately, as the ideologies suggest, to distroy: culture, family, nation, individual, religion etc. to "progress" the purely academically proven outcome of everyone being "equal" living in a great communal utopia.

It was a good post Erica and a very good indication on how the mind of the left operates

Love isn't about politics, MarZutra. Also, its weird that people who hate 'race mixing' as it were, would love to have a token black friend as a friend, and have that right but if given the opportunity would never date a black person.

I have a 16 year old who has a crush on a Puerto Rican boy... she also has a crush on a white boy in her high school. If she wanted to date either of them, she could because we don't have the right to tell her "don't date anyone other than someone YOUR color". That's not realistic. The reason that there are so many stigmas attached to interracial dating is because of the people who are on the outside looking in; basically saying "They dont' have the right to be happy together.", when its not up to them to decide who will be the right person for them. I'm use to hearing the word 'offspring' attached to the animal kingdom...so I'm going to tell you like this... People who are in interracial relationships, where it pertains to having children together have one of two choices. Choice #1. They can play racial tug-of-war with their child's emotions; telling their child "My side  of you is superior to you're mom/dad's side" and because you are linked with MY side, you'll make it in the world.  And choice #2. Raise the child with common knowledge of both ethnicities and teach them to appreciate the world around them as well as the people in it.

If you don't want to racially 'intermingle' with anyone..don't. That's why its called preference. No one is twisting your arm to meet up with, marry and procreate with a black woman. Why should it be taboo or bad for someone else to choose to be with someone from another race?

[MarZutra]

Sorry there Erica, but "Love" per say has nothing to do with politics but it does now have something to do with "Social" movements that are directly related to and influence political forum.  That is a fact my dear sista.  Perhaps you might like to peruse the title by Louis Bodenz "Techniques of Communism" or read up on the factual reality about Michael King Jr.  The first tells "How" and "Why" and the latter displays this in deed. 

You are right in your logic specifically speaking of individual and emotional but compounded on top of that is all the propaganda and disinformation put forward solely for a socio-political agenda. 

[Erica]

Sorry there Erica, but "Love" per say has nothing to do with politics but it does now have something to do with "Social" movements that are directly related to and influence political forum.  That is a fact my dear sista.  Perhaps you might like to peruse the title by Louis Bodenz "Techniques of Communism" or read up on the factual reality about Michael King Jr.  The first tells "How" and "Why" and the latter displays this in deed. 

You are right in your logic specifically speaking of individual and emotional but compounded on top of that is all the propaganda and disinformation put forward solely for a socio-political agenda. 

You are speaking about me pushing propaganda and yet you're pushing a book of propaganda about Martin Luther king, Jr. Until the FBI files are opened, I'm not reading anything that has anything to do with your assertion that King was a communist. That was something that J. Edgar Hoover cooked up because King was liked a hell of a lot more than he was. King was dangerous because he spoke out against racial inequality and for equality for all. He was never part of the Black Power movement either.

Also I rely on attraction and love to dictate to me who people should be with. Not socializm and racial differences, but you can think that way if you want to.

[Erica]

And, now, we don't have your garbage in our forum.

He was banned.

THANK GOODNESS!

I hate it when people criticize Jews for only marrying Jews. It is written. Gd Himself comanded it, He knew that when Jews marry non-Jews the children will not follow His commandments. I see it when a Jew and a non-Jew marry and say something stupid like "We'll let the kids decide what religion they will be" then they have "Chrismukah" in December  MOST CONFUSED children ever!

And to that NoahideGentile  guy...I wonder if he's that Flashvirus guy on youtube? The kid who hates JTF because he got banned...he comments on every JTF video insulting Chaim 

WELL, you say that you will never he a noahide, SORRY dude, you are a descendent of Noah...YOU ARE a noahide by definiton whether you like it or not!

BTW, guests can post on the forum? I thought only members could!?

Once you are ejected from this site, or leave at your own will, your posts will state that you're a guest. I think that's a way of keeping it in the archives.

[MarZutra]

Erica, I see you are very open minded.  I was not pushing a book on Michael King Jr.  Not at all.  If you refer back to my post you will see that you misread what I was saying.  What I did post was very accurate and factual.  I even admitted you were right with what you said about "love" as well just had taken it one step further which anyone with a brain can plainly see all around them within today's "progressive" and "enlightened" society. 

[Erica]

Erica, I see you are very open minded.  I was not pushing a book on Michael King Jr.  Not at all.  If you refer back to my post you will see that you misread what I was saying.  What I did post was very accurate and factual.  I even admitted you were right with what you said about "love" as well just had taken it one step further which anyone with a brain can plainly see all around them within today's "progressive" and "enlightened" society. 

Forgot to ask... why does everyone think its okay to call me 'sista' or 'girlfriend'? 

If your intent wasn't to get me to read the book, thanks for the clarity (because I had no intention of actually purchasing the book at all..) and I'm sorry for my assumption.

Yes, you agreed with that part of the post about the emotional aspect of a relationship, but you also said that basically relationships were built on political agenda. I don't know how politics fits in with personal relationships between a couple though. Enlighten me, please.

[MarZutra]

Forgot to ask... why does everyone think its okay to call me 'sista' or 'girlfriend'?  Perhaps trying to appease the black "culture" and its linguistical distortions of English: "ebonics"?

If your intent wasn't to get me to read the book, thanks for the clarity (because I had no intention of actually purchasing the book at all..) and I'm sorry for my assumption.Again, that is very open minded of you especially when one is trying to be honest and give clearity to an on going problem for all "communities".  Usually, when someone lays base of a discussion using a particular book or referance material, I will consider the source and the facts or the "facts" within to see where this individual is coming from and how they formed their opinions/beliefs.  That is just me.  I must be old fashioned...

Yes, you agreed with that part of the post about the emotional aspect of a relationship, but you also said that basically relationships were built on political agenda. Actually, if you go back and read my posts I said nothing of the sort.  I did, however, say that there is a social and a political agenda "progressing" these ideas for particular goals for particular reasons.I don't know how politics fits in with personal relationships between a couple though. Enlighten me, please.If you go back and read my posts, the explanation is within.  Further, if you decide to go to a library and look up any titles dealing with these social-political movements, as previously stated, you will see exactly how it all ties together.