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Beck vs. Limbaugh
« on: September 17, 2009, 07:59:26 PM »
GOP media strategist Mark McKinnon thinks there are two people in the world who fear Glenn Beck — even if "neither will admit it."

The first is Barack Obama.

The second is Rush Limbaugh.

Beck is on a huge roll. Over the last month, the right-wing Fox News talker has claimed the scalp of the president's green jobs czar; motivated thousands of conservatives to turn out for town hall meetings and a Sept. 12 march on Washington; pummeled Democrats over ACORN and Obama's czars; and landed himself a spot on the cover of Time magazine.

"Beck is the man of the moment," says the Weekly Standard's Michael Goldfarb. "Everybody in town is watching him, waiting to see what he'll do next, who he'll take down next."

But if Beck is the man of the moment, where does that leave Rush?

In an e-mail to POLITICO, Limbaugh said any attempt to compare him with Beck in terms of Washington influence rests on a "flawed premise."

"I do not, and never have, measured my success in ways you describe, such as 'impact' in Washington," Limbaugh said. "I am a broadcaster and judge my success by those standards."

By those standards, the slimmed-down Limbaugh is still large and in charge.

He reaches a much bigger radio audience, with somewhere between 15 and 30 million listeners on more than 600 stations around the country. He's ranked No. 1 on the "Heavy Hundred" list put out by the industry magazine Talkers (Beck is fifth); he tops Mediaite's power grid of radio hosts; and this week, The Atlantic installed Limbaugh and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman atop its list of "the most influential commentators in the nation."

Back in April - when Time put Limbaugh on its annual list of the 100 most influential people of the world - Beck was called on to write the tribute. He wrote that Limbaugh was "on another level" and "attracts more listeners with his voice than the rest of us could ever imagine."

That may still be the case, but Beck's power has grown exponentially since then.

Newsmax president Christopher Ruddy, a conservative journalist who played a role in dredging up scandals during the Clinton years, said that right now, Beck is "the No. 1 populist, conservative voice in the media."

"Glenn's emergence reminds me of Rush's emergence in the early '90s," said conservative radio host Mike Gallagher. "People have asked me, 'Who's the next Rush,' because Rush is the gold standard."

The answer, says Gallagher, "seems to be Glenn."

While Limbaugh once had a television show — produced by Roger Ailes, now Fox News president — he never enjoyed half the success in that medium that Beck has now. Beck's nightly show on Fox News completely dominates the competition, drawing more than a million viewers more than any other prime-time show on MSNBC or CNN.

And Beck is using the power of his show in ways that Limbaugh never has.

"Beck is playing more of a rallying role than Limbaugh has or is," said Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform. "Rush is more broad-brush, longer-range in approach, and Beck's gotten specific," Norquist added. "Here's an appointee. Here's the czars."

In the days before last weekend's conservative march on Washington, Beck flogged it repeatedly. He became such a part of the story that, as CNN correspondent Lisa Desjardins tried to report live from the event, protesters drowned her out with chants of "Glenn Beck! Glenn Beck!"

Limbaugh's role in promoting the protest? He said it's not his thing.

"I don't rally people and haven't since the first year of my radio show," he wrote to POLITICO. "At that time, all local talk hosts were attempting to prove their worth by getting people to cut up gasoline credit cards, call Washington, etc. I thought it was cheap and disingenuous. The few times I did, early on, suggest people call Washington, the reaction to it from the media was that the response was not genuine (I shut down the House switchboard) because people only did what they did because 'Limbaugh told them to.'"

Limbaugh hasn’t abandoned the call to action entirely; last year, he launched “Operation Chaos,” urging his listeners to register as Democrats and vote for Hillary Clinton in Democratic presidential primaries to prolong the nominating process and weaken Obama.

But now he suggests that conservatives don’t need any egging on – and he seemed to downplay Beck's role in goosing the turnout for last weekend’s march.

"The rally Saturday was special and important precisely because there was not a single, charismatic leader behind it," he said. "I never mentioned it, on purpose. People are rising up from genuine passion and concern, they are NOT being whipped into a frenzy. This is REAL and not inspired by anyone. This outpouring has been effervescing for years and Obama has brought it all to the boiling point. PEOPLE DO NOT NEED TO BE TOLD. They are living it."

If Limbaugh is suggesting that Beck's influence is overstated, he's not the only one.

Radio host Mark Levin, whose book "Liberty & Tyranny" just surpassed 1 million sales this week, laughed off the suggestion that Beck may be eclipsing Limbaugh as the voice of the right.

"Are you kidding?" Levin said in an e-mail. "Comparing Rush Limbaugh to Glenn Beck is like comparing George Washington to George Jefferson. Beck can be very entertaining and even informative, but he is neither the face nor the voice of the conservative movement. He is one of many."

And while Ruddy says that Beck is the No. 1 conservative populist now, he's quick to say that doesn't mean Limbaugh is No. 2.

"The rise of Beck doesn't diminish Rush or [Sean] Hannity," Ruddy said, "but he seems to be adding a new subset, a new group of people ... more of the populist, Ross Perot-type voter."

The opposition has clearly taken note. Six months ago, Democratic Party leaders made a concerted effort to portray Limbaugh as the de facto leader of the Republican Party. This week, the Democratic National Committee accused Republicans of "carrying out the marching orders of Glenn Beck and other right wing propagandists," and both People for the American Way and the Center for American Progress Action Fund sent out fundraising appeals invoking Beck's name.

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Re: Beck vs. Limbaugh
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2009, 08:17:05 PM »
I hope Glenn Beck overtakes Rush Limbaugh, but that probably won't happen for a while since Rush Limbaugh has such a huge audience.

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Re: Beck vs. Limbaugh
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2009, 08:19:03 PM »
I like glenn Beck he I think is funnier and wittier than any other news media person especially the leftist ones. 
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Re: Beck vs. Limbaugh
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2009, 10:48:33 PM »
Rush is MUCH smarter, BUT he is also too partisan and was too much of a Bush-bot. 

Beck has a nice sounding voice... kinda like Michael Buble. (Who was on his show)

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Re: Beck vs. Limbaugh
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2009, 10:58:26 PM »
Beck by far. But he's still no Chaim Ben Pesach.

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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2009, 11:41:48 PM »
I hope Glenn Beck overtakes Rush Limbaugh, but that probably won't happen for a while since Rush Limbaugh has such a huge audience.<<

I guess I don't see the need for some kind of contest.  They both do good things and hopefully will both continue on their current paths.
 
 
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Re: Beck vs. Limbaugh
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2009, 02:22:25 AM »
Rush is MUCH smarter, BUT he is also too partisan and was too much of a Bush-bot. 

Beck has a nice sounding voice... kinda like Michael Buble. (Who was on his show)


I think the fact that Rush is a Bush bot does not make him smarter.  It makes him stupider. 
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Re: Beck vs. Limbaugh
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2009, 04:17:16 AM »
We need both guys. Of course we wish they'd be more like Chaim ben Pesach, but things are what they are, and compared to just about everything else out there in the state-run media, they are a breath of fresh air.

Beck has been terrific, but Rush Limbaugh is still the best at what he does. He's been at the top for over 22 years for good reason. He's extremely intelligent, funny, and has a very entertaining show. He has weathered smear after smear after smear, and done so with wit and eclat. He has proven over and over to be fearless in the face of the Leftist onslaught against him. A lot of people don't know the real Rush Limbaugh and the tens of millions of dollars he has both donated and raised for many good causes, and especially for the troops. He is very humble about such things. I dread the day that, chas v'chalila, Rush goes or is taken off the air. He is about all that stands between the totalitarian Left and Liberty on the airwaves.

Rush is and always has been pro-Israel. Time and again I've heard him stand up for Israel. He has called for Israel to apply the "Limbaugh Doctrine" every time war breaks out, which is another phrase for complete victory. He has said to "unleash Israel!" time and again, saying that only total victory can bring peace. He is also against the idiotic "two-state solution". I don't know Beck's stance. I haven't heard much of anything regarding Israel. So, I go with the guy I know.

I think this media driven talk of a contest between Rush and Beck is just a Leftist tactic to try and divide the Right. The Left would love nothing more than to see a civil war between the leading Rightwingers. I  hope that neither Rush nor Beck nor Levin fall for this.

I personally think that it is disingenuous that Rush was a Bush pansy. I listened to almost every show for the past 9 years, and know for a fact that he criticized numerous Bush policies and the way the White House handled various issues and situations. No, he didn't call Bush names, but that is not his style. Could he have been more vocal? Absolutely. But he was also aware, I'm sure, that the Democrat-run media would jump for joy to see Rush slam the Bush Administration mercilessly to the mat. He didn't want to give them that pleasure, and I don't blame him.

Anyway, I hope and pray that both Rush and Beck will have continued success and that they will both become more like the great Chaim ben Pesach.

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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2009, 09:16:07 AM »
Beck is great he seems like your next door neighbor
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2009, 11:16:52 AM »
Limbaugh was on Family Guy....just putting it out there.

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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2009, 04:03:16 PM »
I have no use for either of them.  I am tired of so called conservative voices who are only more interested in their bank accounts than doing anything to advance a conservative agenda. 

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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2009, 04:11:03 PM »
I like them both they are what they are. I am watching Beck right now. Beck is not in the Republican camp and Limbaugh has distanced himself from the Republican party to a great extent. They speak on issues of the day people don't have to take their every word as gospel however they do raise issues to look into.
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2009, 04:11:53 PM »
None of them can hold a candle to Chaim.  I listened to Rush for several years and never really connected to him.  I saw one JTF video a couple of year ago and Chaim knocked my socks off.

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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2009, 04:24:58 PM »
None of them can hold a candle to Chaim.  I listened to Rush for several years and never really connected to him.  I saw one JTF video a couple of year ago and Chaim knocked my socks off.
I agree 110% I have listened to Rush since he came to N.Y and he is nothing like Chaim. Chaim tells it as it is Rush is hampered by PC sponsors and radio station managers.
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2009, 06:53:21 PM »
I like them both they are what they are. I am watching Beck right now. Beck is not in the Republican camp and Limbaugh has distanced himself from the Republican party to a great extent. They speak on issues of the day people don't have to take their every word as gospel however they do raise issues to look into.

How has that fat faced jerk distanced himself from the republican party.  He is probably still pro oil I think.
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