Why do Jewish women have to be so Damn Liberal?

[Shlomo]

This is not Jewish thinking.

Of course, it is not.

1) It is not Jewish to refer to G-d as He and not her, for example.
2) It is not Jewish to have all prophets male.
3) It is not Jewish to have only male rabbis.
4) It is not Jewish to think that the Covenant is executed through circumcision of boys.

Indeed not Jewish.

Have you ever read the Bible?

What you are saying doesn't make sense. That's like saying it's not Buddhist that Buddha is a male.

Also, pronouns are an English/Latin thing.

[saintaugusto]

Always remember it was you who came on here...

Did I come to your home? I am sorry.

... not to make friends, not to ask questions, not to learn but to insult the Ashkenzim, insult Judaism, attack and defame

What are you talking about? My mother is Ashkenazi. That's one. Secondly, I was responding to your thread, my friend, where you were concerned why the modern Jewish women are so liberal. And I told you why. You don't accept it? Great! Disagree, argue, but you were the one who started insults.

The subject of women is important, and if you are concerned, but don't want to learn, well, try to fight Socialism then.

But I hope there are others who will learn from my words.

Brothers, be men! Men have to rule, not as dictators, but as good managers, whom women would want to follow. The last word must always be yours. Women like that, women need that. Don't pay attention to the complaints of inequality etc. Women need to be lead.

If you don't trust me, continue fighting Socialism.

[saintaugusto]

...saying Jews owe their faith to the Muslims or some such ineptness...

You know that you did a big sin now? This is a slander. I have never said that. I said that Jews assimilated more under Chistians than under Msulims.

[saintaugusto]

Have you ever read the Bible?

O, boy... The situation is more serious here than I thought.

Do you disagree with all aspects, or only one, I am not getting it?

[Daniel]

Liberal ideas, on the surface, provide an easy way out and don't require hard work like conservative ones. Conservatives solve problems while liberals put a bandaid on them.

I think that's an oversimplification. Both sides have the potential for having extremist views and for coming up with overly simplistic views for complex situations.

[MarZutra]

Brother, it is ok to disagree and that is what we have done.  I have not insulted you first...and if you feel I did, I am sorry because I try never to insult but to lay facts, logic that are too morally based when they can be.  The sad fact is that Socialism is not based on logic, facts nor morals. 

The comment about assimilation under Christianity/Islam too is debatable depending on times.  When Islam was violent, as in the 7th century many Jews were converted or murdered as too under Christianity during the days of the Inquisition etc.  I will concede your point to be largely...debatable but correct. 

About women need to be lead...  I agree with that to a very large extent as the ideology of Feminism largely contra to this which has brought about the destruction of the family as a whole.

I am glad to hear of your Ashkenaz family.  Why did you choose the name "Saintaugusto" as it sounds to be Catholic etc.?

Happy posting...

[saintaugusto]

Wow, looks like someone deleted my account... accidentally, I hope.

My mother is Ashkenazi, and father is Sephardic. The nationality/ethnicity among Sephardic Jews is deteremined by the father. Thus I can say I am Sephardic.

This is diffirent in Ashkenazi families.

If I'm not mistaken, the rule "You are Jewish if your mother is Jewsh" was adopted by European Jews in 19th century to prevent Jewish men from marrying out of religion.

Indeed, according to Torah, the Covenant between G-d and Jews is realized through brit milah. It says that Abraham circumsized all men in his household, and I assume, women become Jewish automatically, since they were inseparable part of men.

Even Jewish names are built on the principle of recognition of the father only. E.g. "David ben Moshe" or "Milka bat Rambam". Nowhere does it mention the mother.

[saintaugusto]

I chose the screen name Saint Augusto simply because I was born in August. Saint has nothing to do with Christianity. I rather sarcastically call August a saint month because many great men were born in August, and thus are Leos. Rabbi Meir Kahane is an example. Not to forget Alexander Macedonian, Napoleon etc.

[saintaugusto]

And more, I was born and raised in Soviet Union. The practical realization of Socialism in real life was painfully witnessed by me.

Feminism is a self-destruction for women. I can say more, feminism does to women a horrible thing. Feminism makes women men.

I truly believe that a large catalyzer for some men, usually morally weak, to turn to homosexuality is feminism.

Indeed, women today are very similar to conventional men: they drink, they smoke, they curse, they sleep around, they cheat etc.

Isn't it the conventional image of men? Isn't it what women used to complain about men? And now they "won the right" to be complained about.

At the same time many men today tend to "improve" by avoiding the conventional image of men: they quit smoking, drinking, cheating etc. And guess what, the modern women don't rush to appreciate that. They call it "too gay".

[saintaugusto]

At the same time, I don't blame women for feminism.

I truly beleive that feminism could not develop without the approval of men.

I would say more - feminism is a product of those men, who wanted a free and easy sex.

And they got it. Now you can use women as you wish and have no obligations. You don't have to marry them, and no one will punish you for that like centuries ago.

[saintaugusto]

I cannot confirm that Socialism is more feministic than, lets say, Capitalism. Do not forget, there was no Sexual Revolution in Communist countries. Erotica and pornography were simply banned there. In fact, Western-made erotic & porn movies were considered one of the tools of struggle for the destruction of Soviet Union by the West.

Export of the so-called American way of life to third world countries is deemed to be very "effective" in demoralizing masses.

[MarZutra]

I happen to agree with much of what you say.  Sadly, the Communsits/Socialists/Utopianists are behind all of this feminism, homosexual, porno and moral degeneracy movements here and their export worldwide.  You will enjoy "New Lies for Old" by Golitsyn.  It is very good.  The tribe is Paternal while "Jewishness" is Maternal and always was. 

You are right about the porno thing and banning of most liberties when Communism took root in Russia but sadly the Marxist teachings from his, Engles and The League of the Just's "Manifesto" too root and distroyed that nation.  Even more sadly is that these intellectual Utopianists will not let the ideolgy die as it should be but continue to toy with it to "progress" it onto the world. 

The reason why I asked about the "Saint" part is because in accordance to dictionary based definitions, a Saint is a person who is recognized as having attained a high level of holiness, however the Bible has a different definition. The word itself means “Holy” and is derived from the Latin “sanctus”. It is predominantly used within Christian religions, which have specific usages for the term depending on the denomination involved. The concept originates in early Greek Christian literature with the use of the word "hagios" (Greek meaning "holy" or "holy ones") and in the New Testament, where it is used to describe the followers of Jesus of Nazareth....

There is only one truth... 

Here is some good logic for you that I do hope you enjoy. 
Perush HaMaccabbi by Rav Meir Kahane HY"D

One may ask, why did G-d create beings strange in their skin color, which causes separation and hatred, and why didn't He create all beings of the same skin color?  Also, why did He create different nations, which also separates humanity by nationality, language and culture?  Also, why did He create people of different intellect levels?  In short, why didn't He create all people to be equal in body and ability?  The answer to this is that uniformity of all humanity could lead to disaster if all the world united under one evil government with an evil culture.  And so G-d separated the nations, to prevent the congregation of evil people, which is bad for the world.  But there is another reason: Just as G-d created Man with an evil inclination, so that his purpose in this world would be to overcome it and thus elevate himself and become holy (something which the angels cannot do, because that is how they were created---holy without an evil inclination, immune to temptation, hence they cannot earn merit), thus did G-d want the world to reach love and fellowship despite the separation and differences; He wanted that we will learn to overcome the differences and love a fellow human being without considering his nationality or skin color.  And obviously, all this as long as a person accepts upon himself the basic conditions of the seven commandments of Noah, and even then it is impossible to realize complete love and unity, unless a person discovers the complete truth---G-d's Torah---and converts [to Judaism].

There is another important reason for the physical separation of humanity: in our turbulent and crazy times, when all moral restraints are removed, all logic is blurred, self-love and the pursuit of lust and selfishness gave rise to the spread of an ideology of equality which reached the horror of erasing the differences between Good and Evil, Truth and Falsehood, Light and Darkness.  And since the confused person doesn't know what is the Truth, and furthermore DOESN'T WANT any truth that will curb his lust and limit his total freedom, which means total abandonment and depravity, Man has invented the idea that, in reality, there is no objective "truth", but rather everything is relative, and each culture finds its own truth, and there is no one who has the authority to say what is the "truth".  And obviously, this foolishness leads, in the end, according to his "logic", to the silencing of any criticism, even criticism of the most terrible deeds ever committed.  After all, who is to decide what is "terrible"?  That is why G-d came and demonstrated the existence of real and OBJECTIVE differences between various concepts and ideas, by creating tangible physical differences between human beings, to teach us that just as one person is different from his fellow human being in skin color, nationality, body and intellect, so too exist REAL differences between ideas and concepts.

[adam613]

Jeff Guy Wrote:
) It is not Jewish to refer to G-d as He and not her, for example.

Well actually we don't believe g-d is male or female we believe he is a combination of both male and female attributes. In english sometimes it is said g-d is male but that is just a translation.

[MarZutra]

I have to disagree with you Adam.  The Torah/Tanach always refer to HaShem in the masculin as "He" or "Him" etc. as shown above in the Perush HaMaccabbi.  

I agree with you that HaShem displays both masculin and feminin which for very logical reasons of compassion, joy, peace, grace etc. while also the masculin in the times of judgement, war, hate and dealing with evilness.  My two cents...

[saintaugusto]

How about the fact that G-d created Adam in His own image, and Eve He created as a derivative from Adam?

[Shlomo]

Jeff Guy Wrote:
) It is not Jewish to refer to G-d as He and not her, for example.

Well actually we don't believe g-d is male or female we believe he is a combination of both male and female attributes. In english sometimes it is said g-d is male but that is just a translation.

When did I ever say this?? I never said G-d was male or female. G-d is complete.

[OdKahaneChai]

Feminism makes women men.

No, it makes them fat men.   

[MarZutra]

How about the fact that G-d created Adam in His own image, and Eve He created as a derivative from Adam?

You know Saint, I really believe that you will truly enjoy Rabbi Meir Kahane's amazing work "The Jewish Idea" which deals with this exact statemet/postion in Torah, Talmudic and true Jewish logic/reasoning... 

[saintaugusto]

MarZutra, you are saying that Jewishness is determined by mother. I know, this notion prevails in nowadays. I spoke to a couple of Rabbis, and no one could clearly define the source of it. When I mentioned how Abraham converted his family members and slaves/servants by circumsizing men and doing nothing with women, they (the rabbis) were utterly confused. Indeed those women became Jewish automatically.

Using this logic, the father must be Jewish for a kid to be Jewish.

[saintaugusto]

How about the fact that G-d created Adam in His own image, and Eve He created as a derivative from Adam?

You know Saint, I really believe that you will truly enjoy Rabbi Meir Kahane's amazing work "The Jewish Idea" which deals with this exact statemet/postion in Torah, Talmudic and true Jewish logic/reasoning... 

I am, in fact, searching for this book. Any suggestions where to find it?

[OdKahaneChai]

How about the fact that G-d created Adam in His own image, and Eve He created as a derivative from Adam?

You know Saint, I really believe that you will truly enjoy Rabbi Meir Kahane's amazing work "The Jewish Idea" which deals with this exact statemet/postion in Torah, Talmudic and true Jewish logic/reasoning... 

I am, in fact, searching for this book. Any suggestions where to find it?

You can buy it from Kahanebooks: http://www.kahanebooks.com/jewishidea.php.  And yes, I don't want to buy anything from  Ha'Ivri either, but there may be no alternative.   It's in two volumes, and amazon only seems to have the first one.  The Jewish Legion may have it, I emailed them about it earlier today, and they haven't gotten back to me yet.

[MarZutra]

you can buy it on Amazon or Abe books... 

[MarZutra]

MarZutra, you are saying that Jewishness is determined by mother. I know, this notion prevails in nowadays. I spoke to a couple of Rabbis, and no one could clearly define the source of it. When I mentioned how Abraham converted his family members and slaves/servants by circumsizing men and doing nothing with women, they (the rabbis) were utterly confused. Indeed those women became Jewish automatically.

Using this logic, the father must be Jewish for a kid to be Jewish.

As I said, Kahane's book attends to this specific topic.  I really care not to bother engage in another debate as I feel you are only here to make trouble and try to disprove or create stress.  I'd, to be quite honest, not wish to bother.  I have given you a very good work for you to read.  Then all your questions will be attended to. 

[saintaugusto]

Thank you, MarZutra, I largerly understood your position.

[MarZutra]

Thank you, MarZutra, I largerly understood your position.

You are very welcome. I hope you pursue this knowledge as it is worthy..