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« on: December 08, 2009, 04:43:10 PM »

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Jeremiah 16:19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
       my refuge in time of distress,
       to you the nations will come
       from the ends of the earth and say,
       "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
       worthless idols that did them no good.
20 Do men make their own gods?
       Yes, but they are not gods!"

Zechariah 8:23
23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that G-d is with you.' "
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2009, 04:54:36 PM »

What country were you born and where do you live now?
Are you Jewish? I assume you are with that name.
Have you ever met Chaim in person?
Do you know Chaim personally?
What is your occupation?
If you had a choice between the Muslims from Iran, Afghanistan and Egypt or Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkey to disappear from all human existence what would be your choice, and why?
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"You Muslims will see your Mujahideen smashed into billions of pieces as your Jewish enemy rides in their blood, your houses swiped into dust as the endless warriors swarm your streets, burning down your Mosques with your men foolishly hiding inside after leaving their families to eternal doom slashing your widowed women and orphaned children into a forgotten memory. You will see your dead burned down by our heroes in this world before going down to fire of the next, dancing through the flames which run through your Madrasas, overturning your filthy sites and sanctifing His Name through your land of ashes, dust and desert, bringing total elimination for your inglorious religion."
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2009, 05:25:40 PM »

What country were you born and where do you live now?
Are you Jewish? I assume you are with that name.
Have you ever met Chaim in person?
Do you know Chaim personally?
What is your occupation?
If you had a choice between the Muslims from Iran, Afghanistan and Egypt or Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkey to disappear from all human existence what would be your choice, and why?


I was born and currently live in the United States.

I am not Jewish, I am a Noahide, which is a non-Jew that believes in Judaism.  My name is Daniel and "ben Noah" means "son of Noah", which is the Hebrew name for a Noahide.  It's kind of a transitionary thing for me, because I was raised with Protestant Christian background and I plan on converting to Judaism in the future.

Yes, I met Chaim at one JTF get together this past summer.  Other than interaction through the forum and what I know from listening to him, I don't know him personally.

I am in the U.S. Navy (shore duty).

Out of those two choices you gave me, I would go with Iran, Afghanistan and Egypt because that would take care of both the Iranian threat and remove the need to waste soldiers fighting the Taliban on the ground in Afghanistan.  Also, Egypt contains a lot of land that rightfully belongs to Israel, so if its population was gone, Israel could expand to the Nile.
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Jeremiah 16:19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
       my refuge in time of distress,
       to you the nations will come
       from the ends of the earth and say,
       "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
       worthless idols that did them no good.
20 Do men make their own gods?
       Yes, but they are not gods!"

Zechariah 8:23
23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that G-d is with you.' "
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2009, 06:16:55 PM »

Have you served in Iraq or Afghanistan?
If you become Jewish will you move to Israel?
Have you ever been to Israel?
Whats it like learning Hebrew?
How did you hear about JTF?

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"You Muslims will see your Mujahideen smashed into billions of pieces as your Jewish enemy rides in their blood, your houses swiped into dust as the endless warriors swarm your streets, burning down your Mosques with your men foolishly hiding inside after leaving their families to eternal doom slashing your widowed women and orphaned children into a forgotten memory. You will see your dead burned down by our heroes in this world before going down to fire of the next, dancing through the flames which run through your Madrasas, overturning your filthy sites and sanctifing His Name through your land of ashes, dust and desert, bringing total elimination for your inglorious religion."
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2009, 06:51:37 PM »

Have you served in Iraq or Afghanistan?
If you become Jewish will you move to Israel?
Have you ever been to Israel?
Whats it like learning Hebrew?
How did you hear about JTF?



I have never served in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Yes, I hope to move to Israel when I become Jewish.

I have never been to Israel.  I was on a Navy ship once that pulled into port at Aqaba, Jordan.  This is right next to Eilat, Israel.  I was able to see over into Israel but I did not get to go there.

Learning Hebrew was a lot of fun for me because I love foreign languages.  I also learned Spanish in high school and Hebrew is much harder than Spanish.  However, Hebrew is much easier to master than Arabic, Chinese, or Korean for an English speaker (from what I hear).  Hebrew grammar is very logical.  My biggest challenges currently with Hebrew are reading quickly (because the letters are so different) and listening to fast-spoken news commentary.

I found out about JTF from a link on the Masada2000.org website, which is a site I used to go to often to learn more about the Middle East conflict (a.k.a. the Muslim war against the Jews), because prior to that I believed in Judaism but was not political about it and I didn't know anything about the situation.  From Masada2000.org I visited the JTF website a few times and got kind of addicted to the Ask JTF broadcasts on the site and listened to them on and off for a period.  These JTF shows revealed to me all the things I had known deep down to be true but never had the arguments for.  After that I found the YouTube videos with Chaim and sometimes David Ben Moshe and would routinely watch them.  In the videos, Chaim was always encouraging people to join the forum as you know, and one time he said something that challenged me--he said to join because "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."  So that's when I actually joined the forum.
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Jeremiah 16:19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
       my refuge in time of distress,
       to you the nations will come
       from the ends of the earth and say,
       "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
       worthless idols that did them no good.
20 Do men make their own gods?
       Yes, but they are not gods!"

Zechariah 8:23
23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that G-d is with you.' "
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2009, 07:00:00 PM »

Thankyou for your service, Dan.... Soldier

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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2009, 07:13:11 PM »

Thankyou for your service, Dan.... Soldier



No problem.
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Jeremiah 16:19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
       my refuge in time of distress,
       to you the nations will come
       from the ends of the earth and say,
       "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
       worthless idols that did them no good.
20 Do men make their own gods?
       Yes, but they are not gods!"

Zechariah 8:23
23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that G-d is with you.' "
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2009, 08:39:25 PM »

By saying, "When I become Jewish", I assume you're currently studying Torah. What made you decide to convert to Judaism? Were you a Christian or a member of another religion before?
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2009, 08:57:49 PM »

It was my pleasure to meet you Dan ben Noah,
 your service to your country and your strong moral beliefs are true testiment to the kind of person you are
   May G-d Bless you and your family,
                    Dan
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2009, 09:13:13 PM »

By saying, "When I become Jewish", I assume you're currently studying Torah. What made you decide to convert to Judaism? Were you a Christian or a member of another religion before?

I have been studying little by little for the past 9 years or so since I've been a Noahide, but I'm not in the official process of converting yet.  I will do that at a later time under the supervision of a rabbi when I get out of the Navy.  I was a Protestant Christian, and the thing that made me decide to convert is too controversial to explain in detail on here, but suffice it to say that it was a better understanding of the Hebrew Scriptures (Tanach) that made me want to convert.  If you want more info feel free to PM me.
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Jeremiah 16:19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
       my refuge in time of distress,
       to you the nations will come
       from the ends of the earth and say,
       "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
       worthless idols that did them no good.
20 Do men make their own gods?
       Yes, but they are not gods!"

Zechariah 8:23
23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that G-d is with you.' "
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2009, 09:19:21 PM »

It was my pleasure to meet you Dan ben Noah,
 your service to your country and your strong moral beliefs are true testiment to the kind of person you are
   May G-d Bless you and your family,
                    Dan

Likewise, Dan, thank you for the kind words.  I enjoyed meeting you as well.
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Jeremiah 16:19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
       my refuge in time of distress,
       to you the nations will come
       from the ends of the earth and say,
       "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
       worthless idols that did them no good.
20 Do men make their own gods?
       Yes, but they are not gods!"

Zechariah 8:23
23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that G-d is with you.' "
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2009, 11:58:19 PM »

Yasher Koach Dan!

I think that Noachides and those who have a desire to convert to Judaism via a Orthodox conversion process are such special people. I know a couple of authentic converts who live Torah lifestyles. It is very inspiring to see the light which Hashem gave the Jews at Sinai inspire the nations to obey the very many commands which he gave to his beloved people Israel.

I hope you will stick to your goal of learning and growing with Jewish wisdom and laws. Since my Teshuva I have moved to much more observance than my parents and my grandparents. I doubt my observance is as good as my great grandparents though....

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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2009, 09:31:36 AM »

Yasher Koach Dan!

I think that Noachides and those who have a desire to convert to Judaism via a Orthodox conversion process are such special people. I know a couple of authentic converts who live Torah lifestyles. It is very inspiring to see the light which Hashem gave the Jews at Sinai inspire the nations to obey the very many commands which he gave to his beloved people Israel.

I hope you will stick to your goal of learning and growing with Jewish wisdom and laws. Since my Teshuva I have moved to much more observance than my parents and my grandparents. I doubt my observance is as good as my great grandparents though....



Thanks muman, I am truly looking forward to becoming Jewish although the path to becoming properly observant can be challenging.  My project now is attending shul every Shabbat and learning the prayers.  It will be refreshing to finally join a Jewish community because being a Noahide can be an isolated life.
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Jeremiah 16:19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
       my refuge in time of distress,
       to you the nations will come
       from the ends of the earth and say,
       "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
       worthless idols that did them no good.
20 Do men make their own gods?
       Yes, but they are not gods!"

Zechariah 8:23
23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that G-d is with you.' "
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2009, 10:39:09 AM »

Hi Dan Ben Noah,

I should also add that it was nice meeting you back in June.  And thank you for your service to America. 

What's it like being a Noahide in the Navy?  Are there any other Noahides?  Or are you the only one? 
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 11:15:05 AM »

Hi Dan Ben Noah,

I should also add that it was nice meeting you back in June.  And thank you for your service to America. 

What's it like being a Noahide in the Navy?  Are there any other Noahides?  Or are you the only one? 

Thanks, Lisa.  It was also nice to finally meet you, and I'm proud to serve both America and in JTF.

Being a Noahide in the Navy sparks discussion and interest whenever the topic of religion comes up, because it takes some explanation for people to understand what a Noahide is.  Even when I enlisted, I didn't get through the whole explanation and my recruiter just wrote down "Christian" (my dog tags say "Christian" as my religion).  The Navy has all sorts of religions you can pick from for documentation purposes (including Jedi), but Noahide is not really on their radar yet.  It's not too hard to be a Noahide in the Navy though, because there is nothing really we have to do that goes against the Noahide Laws.  This is why I have chosen to remain Noahide until I get out of the Navy.  If I convert to Judaism now, I may have to work on a Saturday, it would be difficult to stay within grooming standards (as far as shaving is concerned), and it would make eating on ships and dining facilities problematic.  Instead of jumping through all the administrative hoops to be able to serve as an Orthodox Jew, I figure I might as well just stay Noahide for now.  Also, a Jew should be serving in Israel.  The only problem being a Noahide in the Navy is that you can't choose where you live and so I'm pretty isolated as a Noahide.  I have studied the Bible with people in the military though informally.  I have met a few people in the Navy that weren't exactly Christians and they were interested in Judaism, but as far as I know they were not full-blown Noahides although they may have become Noahides or Jews at a later time since we discussed it.  I have never met any other Noahides in the Navy, although I heard rumors of one on my base at one point (that person may not be in the Navy).  I doubt I'm the only one though.
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Jeremiah 16:19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
       my refuge in time of distress,
       to you the nations will come
       from the ends of the earth and say,
       "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
       worthless idols that did them no good.
20 Do men make their own gods?
       Yes, but they are not gods!"

Zechariah 8:23
23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that G-d is with you.' "
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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2010, 12:47:28 AM »

Can you give us your latest affirmative action story?
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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2010, 04:30:19 PM »

Dan ben Noah, you're one of the smartest people on the forum.

One of the challenges I've faced in socializing is that many very "righteous" people tend to be, well let me put it bluntly, dumb as a brick. They're very nice people, but I can't talk to them about anything complicated or their eyes glaze over. The more intellectual people tend to be left wing. For example I can almost never talk to my righteous Christian friends about science or other serious issues, because it goes over their heads, but the people I can talk about science and other intellectual topics with get angry if I mention my respect for and belief in Biblical morals.

So here are my questions.

One, how do you find smart people who are on your same level of brightness who are also righteous?

Two, do you ever get frustrated by people who you take time to explain a complicated issue to who still don't seem to understand what you said to them?

I've tried to explain about Islam and other issues to people and they don't understand.
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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2010, 01:27:35 AM »

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Brotha Dan, how are you?

How many Bnei Noach are there in the States?
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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2010, 09:11:26 AM »

Can you give us your latest affirmative action story?

What I mainly experience is more like affirmative action "incidents" rather than full-fledged stories, but the last thing that happened that could pass for a story that I remember took place in the parking lot of a mall.  A mall parking lot in my city is not a good place to be during the early afternoon hours.  Actually, if you can't be there during the early afternoon hours you probably shouldn't be there any time.  But anyway, my friend and I had just returned to my car when I saw out the corner of my eye an old white man staring at me from the car parked to the right of me.  My friend and I were talking and I took no notice of this until a black man came up from behind my car and approached the passenger side window, which was rolled down.  My friend was sitting in the passenger seat, and I was in the driver's seat.  The black guy says, "Can y'all help me?  My wife's a racist."  He proceeded to explain how we should give him money due to the fact that his racist wife kicked him out of the place they were living in and he needed a hotel room.  He then clarified that the old white guy in the car beside me was the woman's father who was driving him around.  In return for our help, he offered us an old game system among his other worldly possessions--all stuffed in the back of the car.  We didn't want the game system, so he offered to "introduce" us to his 6-year-old daughter who he said was "mixed" and that was apparently supposed to make her appealing to 2 men in their 20's.  When I kept saying no, he would not leave, and finally my friend said "Aw come on, let's help him out a bit," possibly trying to avoid the situation escalating into a robbery.  After he handed over money and the guy left, I sat there angry for about a minute and a half before I started the car, but later realized the money was probably going to go for alcohol either way.
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Jeremiah 16:19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
       my refuge in time of distress,
       to you the nations will come
       from the ends of the earth and say,
       "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
       worthless idols that did them no good.
20 Do men make their own gods?
       Yes, but they are not gods!"

Zechariah 8:23
23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that G-d is with you.' "
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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2010, 11:11:40 AM »

Can you give us your latest affirmative action story?

What I mainly experience is more like affirmative action "incidents" rather than full-fledged stories, but the last thing that happened that could pass for a story that I remember took place in the parking lot of a mall.  A mall parking lot in my city is not a good place to be during the early afternoon hours.  Actually, if you can't be there during the early afternoon hours you probably shouldn't be there any time.  But anyway, my friend and I had just returned to my car when I saw out the corner of my eye an old white man staring at me from the car parked to the right of me.  My friend and I were talking and I took no notice of this until a black man came up from behind my car and approached the passenger side window, which was rolled down.  My friend was sitting in the passenger seat, and I was in the driver's seat.  The black guy says, "Can y'all help me?  My wife's a racist."  He proceeded to explain how we should give him money due to the fact that his racist wife kicked him out of the place they were living in and he needed a hotel room.  He then clarified that the old white guy in the car beside me was the woman's father who was driving him around.  In return for our help, he offered us an old game system among his other worldly possessions--all stuffed in the back of the car.  We didn't want the game system, so he offered to "introduce" us to his 6-year-old daughter who he said was "mixed" and that was apparently supposed to make her appealing to 2 men in their 20's.  When I kept saying no, he would not leave, and finally my friend said "Aw come on, let's help him out a bit," possibly trying to avoid the situation escalating into a robbery.  After he handed over money and the guy left, I sat there angry for about a minute and a half before I started the car, but later realized the money was probably going to go for alcohol either way.

Thanks man!  Good story!
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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2010, 05:36:05 PM »

I'm very angry with the mother for allowing her child to go out with her monster of a father.  That story is so sad! And what has to be wrong with the child's white grandfather to be an accomplice to all this? That's one screwed up "fambly".
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2010, 06:17:32 PM »

Dan ben Noah, you're one of the smartest people on the forum.

One of the challenges I've faced in socializing is that many very "righteous" people tend to be, well let me put it bluntly, dumb as a brick. They're very nice people, but I can't talk to them about anything complicated or their eyes glaze over. The more intellectual people tend to be left wing. For example I can almost never talk to my righteous Christian friends about science or other serious issues, because it goes over their heads, but the people I can talk about science and other intellectual topics with get angry if I mention my respect for and belief in Biblical morals.

So here are my questions.

One, how do you find smart people who are on your same level of brightness who are also righteous?

Two, do you ever get frustrated by people who you take time to explain a complicated issue to who still don't seem to understand what you said to them?

I've tried to explain about Islam and other issues to people and they don't understand.

Thanks for the compliment, Rubystars, I'm not overly smart but I do try to be logical.  I'm also not overly social and that is partially do to the fact that most people don't want to discuss religion and politics, and if they do they consider my opinions too controversial.

Probably the best way to find smart righteous people is at religious events or at your university or job.  You just have to keep an eye open to who's out there.  For example, I went to a church once before I was Noahide and met one person there who was an engineering professor and another person who was a math professor.  This was a church near a college campus.  Campus churches are good for this because they cater to the people who are educated or being educated.  At the shul I now go to there are a whole bunch of doctors, a physics teacher, and a psychology Ph.D.  However, it is also possible to find righteous people at your university or job if you pay attention to what people like to talk about.  If you notice that someone has a similar interest in religion then you can ask them to study the Bible or something.  I met a righteous Gentile in a secular venue who was interested in Judaism and I invited her to study the Bible and we are still friends.

I have had incidents before where I have tried to explain things to people who don't understand, but it's more because they don't WANT to understand.  If people's minds are already made up as to how they are going to think then there is no use debating them.  I don't get frustrated with this anymore because I stay away from these type of people.  However, if people really want to understand then I enjoy explaining things to them.  You have to find people who care instead of trying to make people care.
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19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
       my refuge in time of distress,
       to you the nations will come
       from the ends of the earth and say,
       "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
       worthless idols that did them no good.
20 Do men make their own gods?
       Yes, but they are not gods!"

Zechariah 8:23
23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that G-d is with you.' "
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2010, 08:16:20 AM »

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Brotha Dan, how are you?

How many Bnei Noach are there in the States?

I'm fine thanks, Ron, how have you been?

The majority of people who actually adhere to the 7 Noahide laws are in the United States as far as I know, and it is in the thousands.  I have heard that worldwide there are over 10,000 Noahides.  Of course there are also some people who don't know about the Noahide laws but essentially live that way, so it is kind of hard to get an accurate number.  Many Jews I've met don't even know what a Noahide is.  However, Noahides will be in control of the United States in the World to Come.
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Jeremiah 16:19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
       my refuge in time of distress,
       to you the nations will come
       from the ends of the earth and say,
       "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
       worthless idols that did them no good.
20 Do men make their own gods?
       Yes, but they are not gods!"

Zechariah 8:23
23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that G-d is with you.' "
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2010, 08:17:21 AM »

Can you give us your latest affirmative action story?

What I mainly experience is more like affirmative action "incidents" rather than full-fledged stories, but the last thing that happened that could pass for a story that I remember took place in the parking lot of a mall.  A mall parking lot in my city is not a good place to be during the early afternoon hours.  Actually, if you can't be there during the early afternoon hours you probably shouldn't be there any time.  But anyway, my friend and I had just returned to my car when I saw out the corner of my eye an old white man staring at me from the car parked to the right of me.  My friend and I were talking and I took no notice of this until a black man came up from behind my car and approached the passenger side window, which was rolled down.  My friend was sitting in the passenger seat, and I was in the driver's seat.  The black guy says, "Can y'all help me?  My wife's a racist."  He proceeded to explain how we should give him money due to the fact that his racist wife kicked him out of the place they were living in and he needed a hotel room.  He then clarified that the old white guy in the car beside me was the woman's father who was driving him around.  In return for our help, he offered us an old game system among his other worldly possessions--all stuffed in the back of the car.  We didn't want the game system, so he offered to "introduce" us to his 6-year-old daughter who he said was "mixed" and that was apparently supposed to make her appealing to 2 men in their 20's.  When I kept saying no, he would not leave, and finally my friend said "Aw come on, let's help him out a bit," possibly trying to avoid the situation escalating into a robbery.  After he handed over money and the guy left, I sat there angry for about a minute and a half before I started the car, but later realized the money was probably going to go for alcohol either way.

Thanks man!  Good story!

No problem.  I'm sorry it had to happen but I'm glad it could serve some good as a story.
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Jeremiah 16:19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
       my refuge in time of distress,
       to you the nations will come
       from the ends of the earth and say,
       "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
       worthless idols that did them no good.
20 Do men make their own gods?
       Yes, but they are not gods!"

Zechariah 8:23
23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that G-d is with you.' "
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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2010, 08:20:32 AM »

I'm very angry with the mother for allowing her child to go out with her monster of a father.  That story is so sad! And what has to be wrong with the child's white grandfather to be an accomplice to all this? That's one screwed up "fambly".

Yes, every single member of the family had to be insane.  The child was not actually with the father when I saw him though.  I hope the mother wakes up and gets out of town.
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Jeremiah 16:19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
       my refuge in time of distress,
       to you the nations will come
       from the ends of the earth and say,
       "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
       worthless idols that did them no good.
20 Do men make their own gods?
       Yes, but they are not gods!"

Zechariah 8:23
23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that G-d is with you.' "
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