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Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 22, 2009, 07:36 PM | #

I deny anything I’ve said about Jews is “anti-Semitic,” a term which is supposed to mean being unreasonably critical of Jews.  It’s like Vdare.com’s term “hate facts”:  facts can’t “hate” or be “anti-Semitic.” Is “fish swim” anti-Semitic?  Is “birds fly”?  How about “water is wet,” “ the wind blows,” “the sky is blue,” “the sun rises every morning,” “Negroes have a higher rate of violent street crime,” or “Port Moresby, Durban, and central Detroit aren’t numbers one, two, and three, respectively, on the list of ideal vacation spots”?  Any of those facts anti-Semitic?  Any of them unreasonably critical of the Jews?  No.  And neither is this fact:  “The Jews are trying to genocide the Euro races planetwide by doing all they can to promote race-replacement immigration and miscegenation, together with the methodical demonization and suppression of any open discussion of any of that, and the harsh punishment of any who dare question it.” That is a fact, one which is no more “anti-Semitic” than “water is wet,” “the wind blows,” or “the sky is blue.” And one which is no less obvious.

I for one have never been against Jews opposing forced race-replacement.  Has anyone here ever been against Jews opposing the forced race-replacement of whites?  I’ve never seen any whites voice the least opposition to Jews opposing it.  I’m on record as praising two leaders of the Jewish Task Force ( http://www.jtf.org ), which is an excellent outfit, for their stance in that regard:  they very strongly oppose it.  Nothing’s stopping all other Jews on the planet from opposing forced race-replacement exactly as the Jewish Task Force does.  Friedrich says what’s stopping all the other Jews on the planet is “WN is anti-Semitic.” It’s funny but the “radical left” is anti-Semitic and that doesn’t seem to scare the Jews.  They’re all members of it.  (Forgive me, not all — if you take the number of atoms in the universe, something like ten to the eightieth power I believe, put a decimal point then the same number of zeros to the right of that decimal point as there are atoms in the universe, then put a one at the end of the row of zeros and a percent sign after the one, that’s the percentage of Jews who aren’t members of the extreme radical left-wing fringe.  So I apologize, it’s not “all Jews” who are members of the extreme radical left fringe, only some.  Hey sorry, OK?, I make mistakes, I’m only human, nobody’s perfect.) So the far left is anti-Semitic but has full enthusiastic support of the Jews.  Then there are the Moslems.  The Moslems today are anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, want Sharia Law wherever they live, and so on, all kinds of things that are anti-Jew, but the Jews worldwide not only adore unlimited Moslem immigration forced on the Ancient Nations of Europe and do all in their power to promote more and more of it, they practically get orgasms just thinking about it.  The word hasn’t been invented to adequately describe what the Jews feel about Moslem immigration into Europe.  “Love” is wholly inadequate to convey it, way too weak.  So, Moslem “anti-Semitism” doesn’t appear to scare the Jews in the slightest.  On the contrary, they can’t seem to get enough of it.  And then there are the Mexicans, Aztlan, etc.  The Mexicans and Aztlan types are known to be very anti-Semitic yet the Jews all adore the process, currently underway thanks to (fill in the blank) _______ , of the race-replacement of the entire white population north of the Rio Grande with Jew-hating Mexicans and Aztlan types.

But FB says what keeps the Jews from joining Chaim ben Pesach and Moshe ben David of the Jewish Task Force in questioning the forced race-replacement of white people planetwide is “WNs are anti-Semitic.”

How did Moshe ben David, Chaim ben Pesach, and Lawrence Auster come to question race-replacement of whites then, and how is it that all Jews on planet Earth except Moshe ben David, Chaim ben Pesach, and Lawrence Auster get orgasms from contemplating the takeover of whitedom by the anti-Semitic Moslems and the anti-Semtic far left wing, and the Jew-hating Mexicans and Aztlan types?  Can FB explain that?  Because I’m puzzled.

OK, here, I’ll exlain it.  The Jews don’t care about anti-Semitism.  They’re delighted to be allied with plenty of anti-Semites and anti-Semitic outfits.  They were allied with the Nazi government when it wasn’t exactly a big admirer of Jews, they were allied with Stalin when he was sending Jews in their thousands to be shot by kangaroo courts and in their tens of thousands to be put in Gulag concentration camps, today they suck all the anti-Semitic Moslem, Islamist, Mexican and Aztlan schmuck they can get their lips around and still beg for more.  They, like everyone else, care about what they see as their interests, and opposing white race-replacement isn’t in their interest, as they see things.  Except for a few Jewish outliers like the JTF they’ll never oppose it.  That’s why Ian Jobling’s Alexa rating is in the millions and will stay that way for eternity and why a lot of other drek is going on.


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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2009, 08:22:46 AM »
Self-hating, willfully ignorant and traitorous white people are the major problem facing white nations, not left wing Jews. After them, Muslims are the biggest problem. It's true that many Jews are left wing however. I hope one day that won't be the case because I think God wants them above all others to be a holy nation.

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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2009, 08:23:45 AM »
Self-hating, willfully ignorant and traitorous white people are the major problem facing white nations, not left wing Jews. After them, Muslims are the biggest problem. It's true that many Jews are left wing however. I hope one day that won't be the case because I think G-d wants them above all others to be a holy nation.
yes i agree Rubystars
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2009, 08:33:46 AM »
Interesting article about Oswald Spengler Pro Nazi yet not anti Jewish thought Hitler was a vulgar idiot         

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Oswald Spengler
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Oswald Spengler

Oswald Arnold Gottfried Spengler (29 May 1880 Blankenburg am Harz – 8 May 1936, Munich) was a German historian and philosopher whose interests also included mathematics, science, and art. He is best known for his book The Decline of the West (Der Untergang des Abendlandes) in which he puts forth a cyclical theory of the rise and decline of civilizations. After Decline was published in 1918, Spengler produced his Prussianism and Socialism in 1920, in which he argued for an organic version of socialism and authoritarianism. He wrote extensively throughout World War I and the interwar period, and supported German hegemony in Europe. The National Socialists held Spengler as an intellectual precursor but he was ostracised after 1933 for his pessimism about Germany and Europe's future, his refusal to support Nazi ideas of racial superiority, and his critical work the Hour of Decision.
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    * 1 Biography
    * 2 Practical Application
    * 3 Nature of the Pattern
    * 4 Influence
    * 5 Spengler's works
    * 6 Further reading
    * 7 See also
    * 8 References
    * 9 External links

[edit] Biography

Oswald Spengler was born in 1880 in Blankenburg at the foot of the Harz mountains, the eldest of four children, and the only boy. His family was typically conservative German petit-bourgeoisie. His father, originally a mining technician, who came from a long line of mineworkers, was a post office bureaucrat. His childhood home was emotionally reserved, and the young Spengler turned to books and the great cultural personalities for succor. He suffered imperfect health, and was a lifelong sufferer of migraine headaches and an anxiety complex.

At the age of ten, his family moved to the university city of Halle. Here Spengler received a classical education at the local Gymnasium (academically oriented secondary school), studying Greek, Latin, mathematics and natural sciences. Here, too, he developed his affinity for the arts — especially poetry, drama, and music — and came under the influence of the ideas of Goethe and Nietzsche. He even experimented with a few artistic creations, some of which still survive.

After his father's death in 1901, Spengler attended several universities (Munich, Berlin, and Halle) as a private scholar, taking courses in a wide range of subjects: history, philosophy, mathematics, natural science, literature, the classics, music, and fine arts. His private studies were undirected. In 1903, he failed his doctoral thesis on Heraclitus because of insufficient references, which effectively ended a chance for an academic career. In 1904, he received his Ph.D., and in 1905 suffered a nervous breakdown.

Scholars remark that his life seemed rather uneventful. He briefly served as a teacher in Saarbrücken and then Düsseldorf. From 1908 to 1911 he taught at a practical high school (Realgymnasium) in Hamburg, where he taught science, German history, and mathematics.

In 1911, following his mother's death, he moved to Munich, where he would live until his death in 1936. He lived as a cloistered scholar, supported by his modest inheritance. Spengler lived on very limited means and was marked by loneliness. He owned no books, and took jobs as a tutor or writing for magazines to earn an additional income.

He began work on the first volume of Decline intending to focus on Germany within Europe at first, but was deeply affected by the Agadir Crisis, and widened the scope of his study. Spengler was inspired by Otto Seeck's work The Decline of Antiquity in naming his own effort. The book was completed in 1914, but publishing was delayed by World War I. During the war, his inheritance was largely useless because it was invested overseas; thus Spengler lived in genuine poverty for this period.

After Decline came out in 1917, it was a wild success because of the perceived national humiliation of the Treaty of Versailles and later the economic depression around 1923 fueled by hyperinflation seemed to prove Spengler right (Spengler had in fact believed that Germany would win while he was writing the book). It comforted Germans because it seemingly rationalized their downfall as part of larger world-historical processes. It was widely successful outside of Germany as well, and by 1919 had been translated into several other languages. He rejected a subsequent offer to become Professor of Philosophy at the University of Goettingen, saying he needed time to focus on writing.

The book was widely discussed, even by those who had not read it. Historians took umbrage at an amateur effort by an untrained author and his unapologetically non-scientific approach. Thomas Mann compared reading Spengler's book to reading Schopenhauer for the first time. Academics gave it a mixed reception. Max Weber described Spengler as a "very ingenious and learned dilettante" while Karl Popper described the thesis as "pointless". The great historian of antiquity Eduard Meyer thought highly of Spengler, although he also had some criticisms of him. Spengler's obscurity, intuitionalism, and mysticism were easy targets, especially for the Positivists and neo-Kantians who saw no meaning in history. The critic and æsthete Count Harry Graf Kessler thought him unoriginal and rather inane, especially with regards to his work on Nietzsche. Ludwig Wittgenstein, however, shared Spengler's cultural pessimism. Spengler's work became an important foundation for the social cycle theory.

A 1928 Time review of the second volume of Decline described the immense influence and controversy Spengler's ideas enjoyed during the 1920s: "When the first volume of The Decline of the West appeared in Germany a few years ago, thousands of copies were sold. Cultivated European discourse quickly became Spengler-saturated. Spenglerism spurted from the pens of countless disciples. It was imperative to read Spengler, to sympathize or revolt. It still remains so."[1]

In the second volume, published in 1920, Spengler argued that German socialism was different from Marxism, and was in fact compatible with traditional German conservatism. In 1924, following the social-economic upheaval and inflation, Spengler entered politics in an effort to bring Reichswehr general Hans von Seeckt to power as the country's leader. The effort failed and Spengler proved ineffective in practical politics. In 1931, he published Man and Technics, which warned against the dangers of technology and industrialism to culture. He especially pointed to the tendency of Western technology to spread to hostile "Colored races" that would then use the weapons against the West. It was poorly received because of its anti-industrialism. This book contains the well-known Spengler quote, "Optimism is cowardice."

Despite voting for Hitler over Hindenburg in 1932, Spengler found the Führer vulgar. He met Hitler in 1933 and after a lengthy discussion remained unimpressed, saying that Germany didn't need a "heroic tenor (Heldentenor: one of several conventional tenor classifications) but a real hero ("Held")." He publicly quarreled with Alfred Rosenberg, and his pessimism and remarks about the Führer resulted in isolation and public silence. He further rejected offers from Joseph Goebbels to give public speeches. However, Spengler did become a member of the Academy of Germany in the course of the year.

The Hour of Decision, published in 1934, was a bestseller, but was later banned by the Nazis for its critiques of National Socialism. Spengler's criticisms of liberalism were welcomed by the Nazis, but Spengler disagreed with their biological ideology and anti-Semitism. While racial mysticism played a key role in his own worldview, Spengler had always been an outspoken critic of the pseudoscientific racial theories professed by the Nazis and many others in his time, and was not inclined to change his views upon Hitler's rise to power. Although himself a German nationalist, Spengler also viewed the Nazis as too narrowly German, and not occidental enough to lead the fight against other peoples. The book also warned of a coming world war in which Western Civilization risked being destroyed, and was widely distributed abroad before eventually being banned in Germany. A Time review of The Hour of Decision noted his international popularity as a polemicist, observing that "When Oswald Spengler speaks, many a Western Worldling stops to listen." The review recommended the book for "readers who enjoy vigorous writing", who "will be glad to be rubbed the wrong way by Spengler's harsh aphorisms" and his pessimistic predictions.[2]


He spent his final years in Munich, listening to Beethoven, [/u]reading Molière and Shakespeare, buying several thousand books, and collecting ancient Turkish, Persian and Hindu weapons. He made occasional trips to the Harz mountains, and to Italy. Shortly before his death, in a letter to a friend, he remarked that "the German Reich in ten years will probably no longer exist". He died of a heart attack on May 8, 1936, three weeks before his 56th birthday and exactly nine years before the fall of the Third Reich.

Although he was highly influential and internationally popular during the interwar period, Oswald Spengler's work fell into intellectual disrepute and obscurity following World War II. One of the main reasons he was widely disliked or ignored is that he had been a leading opponent of the Weimar Republic. Only recently has interest in Spengler been rekindled. His concepts, opinions, theories, and predictions remain controversial among admirers and detractors alike.[3]
[edit] Practical Application

Spengler described a specific pattern of development which, he contended, has been followed by all five past human cultures and is in its closing stages for our Western Civilization. He contended that a skilled historian, by using this pattern as a template, could forecast key shifts in our current culture during its remaining life-span; whether they then actually occurred would be decisive proof or disproof of Spengler’s hypothesis. Such a test, however, has not yet been made, perhaps because almost all contemporary historians disdain his approach.
[edit] Nature of the Pattern

A new culture starts, Spengler held, when persons in a dying, static, or purposeless society—at first only a few visionaries, often widely isolated—begin to see their surroundings from a new perspective. This intruding viewpoint, he suggests, becomes a driving force that grows to dominate their thinking like a Jungian archetype. Step by step the increasing influence of this new point of view transforms that entire society--its political and social structures, its business organizations and commercial practices, its technologies, mathematics, religious beliefs, music and visual arts, and architecture-- to exemplify this unique outlook; he terms it the culture’s “prime symbol.”

The process, always similar, takes 1000-1200 years to run its course. In their final 200-300 years, Spengler said, all civilizations stiffen into rigidity and formalism; creativity dies out and cynicism surges, the countryside empties and cities grow gigantic, and continuous warfare ends in coalescence of a political-economic world state. Writing in 1910-1915, he evaluated Western Civilization as already embarked well into this phase.

Spengler made detailed analyses of six cultures, illustrating in charts of parallel columns how five passed through the same changes at corresponding stages in their development. Spengler described the dominating viewpoints of these cultures as:

    * Egyptian—An arrow-straight path into eternity.
    * Chinese—An indirect, seemingly-meandering path towards life’s goal.
    * Hindu—Prime symbol not diagnosed by Spengler. Possibly nirvana, extinction through fulfillment. (The mathematical concept of zero was invented by the Hindu culture, which passed it to the West via Arabic mathematicians).
    * Classical (Greek-Roman)—The tangible, free-standing object, exemplified by the nude statue.
    * Magian (early Christianity, Mohammedanism)—A magical closed cavern, from whose upper reaches divine grace descends like a golden mist.
    * Western (present culture, born in Western Europe about 1000 C.E. )—A spiritual reaching out into boundless space.

Today we see this driving preoccupation manifested in the West’s space exploration and construction of the international space station; the Hubble Telescope, ICBMs and atomic energy; soaring skyscrapers, jet aircraft and giant oil tankers; the domination of the internet; world-straddling commercial organizations; the World Bank and the Euro (as hesitant steps toward world government); reality-displaced motion pictures and television; a fascination with history; even forays into remote time (the Big Bang theory; the evolution of living species) and probing the basic nature of matter (the electron microscope).

Although the overall pattern for every culture is fixed, Spengler held, the outcome of particular events is not ordained. As Toynbee subsequently pointed out, civilizations meet their ends in various ways. For example, the nascent Mayan culture was destroyed prematurely by Spanish invaders.

Our present Western Culture, Spengler estimated, is one or two centuries from its demise, which he does not see necessarily as obliteration-- the civilization of Ancient Egypt, he pointed out, continued in fellaheen form for centuries.

The ossified forms of exhausted cultures, he wrote, can persist like pyramids for thousands of years. A new culture may emerge from their detritus or from within a society hitherto lacking a prime symbol. If the new culture’s start overlaps a dominant but dying culture, its early development will be masked and for a time, warped by that prior culture.

Spengler’s two-volume “The Decline Of The West” was published in German in 1917 and sold more than 100,000 copies. It was translated into English in 1926; its popularity has declined steadily since then. Traditional historians initially criticized it for factual errors; when these were corrected in a second edition, the critics dismissed Spengler’s approach as incompatible with conventional interpretation of human history. Defenders pointed to Santayana’s observation that those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Acceptance of Spengler’s philosophy of history also has been handicapped by the study’s pessimistic-sounding title (“Harvest-time of Western Civilization” might have been more warmly received), by his dense vocabulary, and by his attempt to make the theory more understandable by likening the successive changes in a culture to the progression of a plant through its natural life cycle.
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Re: Chaim and Davids name mentioned by pro JTF poster on anti Jewish site
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2009, 04:10:50 PM »
That's quite interesting mord.

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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 10:13:38 PM »
That fellow has Jewish ancestry btw.  But he conceals it because it goes against his anti-Jewish agenda.

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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2009, 10:18:23 PM »
Are you referring to Oswald Spengler who wrote the book "Death Of The West?"

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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 10:20:54 PM »
I'm referring to the poster who wrote the comments.

I don't like the anti-semitic members associated there but through my connections on various free speech forums know some of them.  And they tease him for having Jewish ancestry.

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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2009, 10:23:40 PM »
What do we know about this site?  Are they historically or currently anti-Semitic.

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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2009, 10:33:17 PM »
It's an anti-Jewish website.  This "Friedrich Bruan" who wrote the post, not quoted here, but the opening post in the thread, is an exception.  And if you read the associated blogosphere, his "Friends" were not very happy with his appeal to stop hating Jews.

"Constantin Von Hoffmeister" is another pro-Jewish guy but I think you'd find his views a bit bizarre!

I'm pro-Jewish in that I don't find Judaism or Jews threatening, but would be lying if I said I rejected Darwin.  I still support you politically though.

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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2009, 12:02:22 AM »
It's an anti-Jewish website.  This "Friedrich Bruan" who wrote the post, not quoted here, but the opening post in the thread, is an exception.  And if you read the associated blogosphere, his "Friends" were not very happy with his appeal to stop hating Jews.

"Constantin Von Hoffmeister" is another pro-Jewish guy but I think you'd find his views a bit bizarre!

I'm pro-Jewish in that I don't find Judaism or Jews threatening, but would be lying if I said I rejected Darwin.  I still support you politically though.

Interesting.  I don't really have the patience or the stomach for those kinda sites, but if you do have pro-Jewish representatives; it helps the cause; and may help ignorant YOUNGER people see the light (Not the old farts who are rigid Nazis).  Sorta like Hindu Zionist; not in the sence that JTF was ever anti-Hindu, because it never was; but his presence here keeps us more knowledgeable about the hindu cause, and how our causes are overlapping.

I would also like this type of representation in other sites that have been historically anti-semitic... such as Armenian Nationalist sites, etc.  But maybe thats asking too much.

BTW, there are plenty of people here who believe in evolution or at least in variations of evolution involving theological reasoning.  That in itself would never be a reason that we would not welcome a member.  Righteousness does not mean denouncing evolution; it means supporting Christian values which by definition, are pro-Israel.

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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2009, 02:42:21 AM »
It's hard for me to support anything written by an anti-Semitic site even if there is a tiny grain of truth to some of their political observations. Send these bastards all to hell.

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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2009, 06:11:07 AM »
It's hard for me to support anything written by an anti-Semitic site even if there is a tiny grain of truth to some of their political observations.

Eventhough it's from the national alliance, this article about Zebra-killings is quite interesting. And the only anti-semitism is kept for the last paragraph.

http://www.natall.com/free-speech/fs0109b.html