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Re: does anyone know what this says?
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2009, 10:26:22 PM »
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I WISH I was a man, it so totally SUCKS being a woman.

Why do you think it sucks being a woman? 

Lisa, a lot of what Ron says is right #1., and also, I would like to have better control over emotions, and be extremely strong.  #2. Men look better when they get older, and women dont.

You say the younger I am the uglier?

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Re: does anyone know what this says?
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2009, 10:27:29 PM »
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I WISH I was a man, it so totally SUCKS being a woman.

Why do you think it sucks being a woman? 

Lisa, a lot of what Ron says is right #1., and also, I would like to have better control over emotions, and be extremely strong.  #2. Men look better when they get older, and women dont.

You say the younger I am the uglier?
Noooooooooooo. When men get older they look better than when women get older.
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Re: does anyone know what this says?
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2009, 10:28:19 PM »
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I WISH I was a man, it so totally SUCKS being a woman.

Why do you think it sucks being a woman? 

Lisa, a lot of what Ron says is right #1., and also, I would like to have better control over emotions, and be extremely strong.  #2. Men look better when they get older, and women dont.

You say the younger I am the uglier?
Noooooooooooo. When men get older they look better than when women get older.

So you say that I'd look better than my wife when I'll be old?

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Re: does anyone know what this says?
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2009, 10:28:51 PM »
I WISH I was a man, it so totally SUCKS being a woman.

Why do you think it sucks being a woman? 

Lisa, a lot of what Ron says is right #1., and also, I would like to have better control over emotions, and be extremely strong.  #2. Men look better when they get older, and women dont.
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I would also like to have better control of my emotions, and to be extremely strong.  

But not all men look better when they get older.  Some of them do.  Some of them don't.  The best we can do is try and live healthy lives.  

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« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2009, 10:29:38 PM »
It also doesn't hurt to have a good dermatologist and hairdresser. 

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Re: does anyone know what this says?
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2009, 10:30:25 PM »
Leesie... Look at Sam Eliot, and Sean Connery.... I rest my case...compare that to Streisand. VOMIT.
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« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2009, 10:31:23 PM »
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Leesie... Look at Sam Eliot, and Sean Connery.... I rest my case...compare that to Streisand. VOMIT.

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« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2009, 10:34:24 PM »
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Leesie... Look at Sam Eliot, and Sean Connery.... I rest my case...compare that to Streisand. VOMIT.

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Re: does anyone know what this says?
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2009, 10:52:42 PM »
WHO are you talking about here?

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Re: does anyone know what this says?
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2009, 11:03:16 PM »
How do I unblock someone in zootube? 

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« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2009, 11:10:27 PM »
I have no clue, I'm a blonde..... :::D
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Re: does anyone know what this says?
« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2009, 12:16:12 PM »
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I WISH I was a man, it so totally SUCKS being a woman.

Why do you think it sucks being a woman? 

Lisa, a lot of what Ron says is right #1., and also, I would like to have better control over emotions, and be extremely strong.  #2. Men look better when they get older, and women dont.

You say the younger I am the uglier?
Noooooooooooo. When men get older they look better than when women get older.

So you say that I'd look better than my wife when I'll be old?
Ron, very possibly, yes, you will look better than your wife when you are older.
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Re: does anyone know what this says?
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2009, 12:44:34 PM »
men are created to like women, but we are thankful G-d did not make us a woman. Natural Theology and Theology of Nature can sound contrasting.

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Re: does anyone know what this says?
« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2009, 06:57:17 PM »
http://www.beingjewish.com/kresel/shelo.html

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Hi,

I just saw your site. It's pretty interesting. I had a question I thought you might be able to help me with. This morning, I read in the morning service something that said "Thank you G_D for not having made me a woman." Why does it say that? Can you shed some light on this for me?

Sophia


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Dear Sophia,

I'm very glad you asked that question since it's one that many people have. The blessing does appear to be phrased in a disturbing way if you are unfamiliar with its context. I hope I will be able to clarify it for you.

This blessing is fourth in a series of twelve blessings Jews say every morning. Actually, the phrasing of all the blessings in this group hides their meanings somewhat. For example, the first, "Blessed are You, Hashem, King of the Universe for giving the rooster the understanding to distinguish between day and night," is an expression of gratitude for having woken up to another day. That the rooster can recognize the dawn and crow is a remarkable thing, but it seems simpler to say, "Blessed are You, Hashem . . . for allowing me to wake up today."

The blessing you asked about follows two others with similar phrasing: "Blessed are You, Hashem . . . for not making me a non-Jew" and ". . . for not making me a slave." These are the only three blessings in the group, and indeed in all of Jewish liturgy, which bless Hashem for not making us as something. It does seems strange; why do we thank Hashem for what we are not when we could simply thank Him for what we are?

The reason is that these blessings are more than they appear to be. They are expressions of gratitude for the mitzvohs we have, and each of the people mentioned in each blessing has more mitzvohs than the one preceding.

As you may know, mitzvohs are commandments from Hashem, specific actions to perform and specific prohibitions to adhere to in the service of Hashem. Non-Jews have seven mitzvohs to follow, which is far fewer than the number Jews have. Since it is proper that we should be grateful for the mitzvohs we have, we bless Hashem for not placing us in a situation in which we would have had fewer.

The next blessing, "for not making me a slave," requires a bit of explanation. Obviously, slavery does not exist in Western civilization, but in Biblical times, captives of war became slaves. Before you become indignant about the injustice of this, you should know that the Torah forbids cruelty to the slave, and the Torah delineates extensive laws on how to treat a slave (Exodus 21:1-11.) The Jews of that period treated their slaves more humanely than any other nation in those times and, notably, more humanely than many other nations that held slaves centuries afterward, including America.

Non-Jewish captives who became slaves to Jews in this manner were required to keep some mitzvohs. For example, the Torah requires everyone living under a Jew's domain, non-Jewish slaves included, to refrain from performing those tasks which are forbidden to Jews on Shabbos (Exodus 20:10.) Thus, non-Jewish slaves, by virtue of living in a Jewish home, observed the prohibitive mitzvohs of Shabbos. As a result, they kept more mitzvohs than regular non-Jews, but still fewer than Jews, so they are in the middle of this list. Interestingly, Jews who became slaves to non-Jews were still obligated to say this blessing because they were still obligated to keep mitzvohs. This proves that the blessing is for the mitzvohs, rather than a statement about the condition of slavery, and by extension, womanhood.

Now we come to the blessing you asked about - "for not making me a woman." A free Jewish woman is required to do more mitzvohs than non-Jews and slaves, but because of her responsibility to her children, she is exempt from certain types of mitzvohs. (For an in-depth explanation of this, see my article On Equality.) Therefore, a free Jewish man has more mitzvohs to fulfill than anyone, and with this blessing, a Jewish man expresses his gratitude for his mitzvohs. A woman expresses her gratitude for her mitzvohs with the blessing, ". . . for making me according to Your will."

Now, you may still be wondering why all these blessings are phrased in the negative. Perhaps they could be phrased, "Blessed are You, Hashem, King of the Universe, for making me a man" or "...a woman." Rabbi Kohn of the Jewish Renaissance Center explained to me that this is because such statements would be arrogant on our part. The Hebrew word for "man" implies a high level of righteousness. (The Biblical commentator Rashi explains this in his analysis of the use of the words "all the men" in Numbers 13:3.) Can we claim to be such righteous men and women that we deserve all implications of the term? Even people who are righteous enough to deserve the term would not proclaim it because it would be boastful. So, we bless Hashem for the mitzvohs He gave us to help us reach our spiritual potentials without arrogantly claiming to have done so.

My husband taught me an additional reason women say, "...for making me according to Your will," while men say, "for not making me a woman." After the creation of Adam, Hashem said, "It is not good for Adam to be alone; I will make him a helper opposite him." (Genesis 2:18) That "helper opposite him" was Eve. Thus, man without woman was in an undesirable, incomplete state. Until the formation of woman was complete, Hashem's will was not fulfilled. Thus, women represent the fulfillment of Hashem's will while men do not, and our blessing reflects this.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: does anyone know what this says?
« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2009, 07:00:03 PM »
http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/405,1987851/Why-do-men-thank-G-d-for-not-making-me-a-woman.html


Why do men thank G-d for "not making me a woman"?

Have you ever heard women say “men could never handle what women go through”? While this is true, it is not really the issue at hand (at least not on the surface level).

The three morning blessings, thanking G-d for not making me a gentile, slave, or woman, don’t refer to the people mentioned; rather they refer to their obligations: mitzvahs.

Every morning a man thanks G-d for the mitzvahs He gave him. He says thank you for not making me a gentile—who only has seven mitzvahs; thank you for not making a slave—who has more mitzvahs than a gentile; and thank you for not making me a woman—who has more than a gentile and slave, but not quite as many as a man.

The point of thanking G-d in the negative rather than the positive – i.e. thanks for not making me that way, rather than saying thanks for making me this way – is to remind the person that all the mitzvahs are nothing unless he actually fulfills them. G-d didn’t give man greatness; He gave man the potential to achieve greatness. (Again, “greatness” here is strictly in the context of mitzvahs). Now that man says thank you, he has to go about his day striving to be a “free Jewish man” – which in our context means a fulfiller of mitzvahs.

This is indicative of the general difference between men and women: while men feel a constant need to do, women have an innate ability to be.

Thus men thank G-d for giving them room to act, and women (with their own blessing, thanking G-d "for making me according to your will") thank G-d for who they already are.

For more on the difference between men and women and how it relates to this blessing see "Man and Woman"

For a woman’s thoughts on this issue see http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=104785
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: does anyone know what this says?
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2009, 07:17:41 PM »
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Leesie... Look at Sam Eliot, and Sean Connery.... I rest my case...compare that to Streisand. VOMIT.

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Wow she really let herself go, I love her movies For Pete's Sake, What's up doc & Yentl are my favorites. As for men looking better, not true. I have always dated/married younger men.
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Re: does anyone know what this says?
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2009, 11:08:01 PM »
People can learn to better control their emotions whether they're men or women. Beauty as people age is in the eye of the beholder.

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Re: does anyone know what this says?
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2009, 01:23:41 AM »
me, also...

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Leesie... Look at Sam Eliot, and Sean Connery.... I rest my case...compare that to Streisand. VOMIT.

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Wow she really let herself go, I love her movies For Pete's Sake, What's up doc & Yentl are my favorites. As for men looking better, not true. I have always dated/married younger men.
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Re: does anyone know what this says?
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2009, 01:40:46 AM »
1: I have to agree with that prayer. Women do have a much harder life than men in most places around the world, and even if they don't, they have a lot more health problems to deal with.

2: It is a fact that women tend to age more severely than men, owing to childbearing and the fact that in a lot of places/cultures they tend to get more sun exposure.

3: Streisand looks exactly like what she is.