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Re: Irina creates a great new video dedicated to 30 JTF members
« Reply #50 on: February 16, 2010, 04:54:43 PM »
And what about Jewish hero Joshua? how come I hardly ever see you supporting him? how come you dont ever comment on his threads here? why dont you praise this Jewish hero who has done so much for the JTF movement & instead always sticky ira's videos, praise & promote them but never sticky, praise or promote Jewish hero Joshua?


One should not be desperately seeking praise all the time.  In any case, from I have seen Chaim praises the people who make videos all the time, especiallly 4 international and Joshua.   So I'm not sure what you're so upset about.

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« Reply #51 on: February 16, 2010, 05:03:20 PM »
The Holocaust was a miracle: that 6 million Jews were killed so quickly and so easily cannot be explained b'derech hateva.
You'r really dafuk al kol harosh. Saying that massacre of 6 million innocent people was a G-d's miracle.  >:( Schwatzes in Rwanda killed 1 million people in 3 months, armed with machetes and guns. Why it surprises you that military superpower like Germany could kill 6 million people in 6 years?

Hezbollah and Hamas are nuisance, not a threat. In fact their rockets SAVED Israel, because they prevented further withdrawals.

Welcome to the forum, Amit.  Your comments have been very wise thus far.   Great to see.
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« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2010, 06:11:29 PM »
Kahane,

 I do not understand when Jews on this forum say the Holocaust was "punishment" for Jewish transgressions or now a "miracle."  When I read these kinds of statements, I perceive them as anti-semetic and vicious.  How is this different from Christian Identity racists saying that the Jews killed Christ and that we have forsaken our day of grace.  Can you explain what is truly being said when people make statements like this about the Holocaust??

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« Reply #53 on: February 16, 2010, 07:12:39 PM »
A "miracle" in the sense of eg that an unknown Charlie Chaplin-type wall-paper hanger arose from nowhere to reach the very edge of world domination...and then threw it away by frittering German military energy in to a maniacal Amolekite desire to exterminate the harmless-to-him Jew: this is as miraculous as Haman's rise to power and getting Ahasuerus' ring, and then his precipitous downfall....and many other cases throught history. Ahamadinejad may well soon be yet another case in point in the open & hidden miracles of Jewish history......!

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« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2010, 07:22:31 PM »
Wonga,

Thank you for taking the time to try and explain this to me.  I appreciate it, but I don't see how those parables are analogous to the "miracle" inherent in the murder of 6 millions Jews.

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« Reply #55 on: February 16, 2010, 07:35:08 PM »
Have you read Vayikra 26 and Devarim 28 carefully?

They show clearly show that when the Jew deserves it, he has a miraculous victory.

And when the Jew doesn't, Hashem arranges a miraculous defeat.

What's the problem in understanding that?

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« Reply #56 on: February 16, 2010, 07:35:56 PM »
Oh I'm sorry, I am very ignorant. I don't even know what those are Wonga.

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« Reply #57 on: February 16, 2010, 07:39:48 PM »
In 1991 Saddam fired 38 Scuds at Tel Aviv and Haifa. Only 1 was killed.

The last Scud Saddam fired killed 28 US soldiers and injured 100 (ie delimbed and blinded them) in Saudi Arabia, to remind people how Hashem could have made Israel's casualties very many, if not for His open mercy at that time.

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« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2010, 07:42:15 PM »
Oh I'm sorry, I am very ignorant. I don't even know what those are Wonga.

Let's start with Vayikra 26:

'If you follow my decrees and are careful to obey my commands, 4 I will send you rain in its season, and the ground will yield its crops and the trees of the field their fruit. 5 Your threshing will continue until grape harvest and the grape harvest will continue until planting, and you will eat all the food you want and live in safety in your land.

 6 " 'I will grant peace in the land, and you will lie down and no one will make you afraid. I will remove savage beasts from the land, and the sword will not pass through your country. 7 You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the sword before you. 8 Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the sword before you.

 9 " 'I will look on you with favor and make you fruitful and increase your numbers, and I will keep my covenant with you. 10 You will still be eating last year's harvest when you will have to move it out to make room for the new. 11 I will put my dwelling place [a] among you, and I will not abhor you. 12 I will walk among you and be your God, and you will be my people. 13 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt so that you would no longer be slaves to the Egyptians; I broke the bars of your yoke and enabled you to walk with heads held high.

Punishment for Disobedience
 14 " 'But if you will not listen to me and carry out all these commands, 15 and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant, 16 then I will do this to you: I will bring upon you sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and drain away your life. You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it. 17 I will set my face against you so that you will be defeated by your enemies; those who hate you will rule over you, and you will flee even when no one is pursuing you.
 18 " 'If after all this you will not listen to me, I will punish you for your sins seven times over. 19 I will break down your stubborn pride and make the sky above you like iron and the ground beneath you like bronze. 20 Your strength will be spent in vain, because your soil will not yield its crops, nor will the trees of the land yield their fruit.

 21 " 'If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve. 22 I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.

 23 " 'If in spite of these things you do not accept my correction but continue to be hostile toward me, 24 I myself will be hostile toward you and will afflict you for your sins seven times over. 25 And I will bring the sword upon you to avenge the breaking of the covenant. When you withdraw into your cities, I will send a plague among you, and you will be given into enemy hands. 26 When I cut off your supply of bread, ten women will be able to bake your bread in one oven, and they will dole out the bread by weight. You will eat, but you will not be satisfied.

 27 " 'If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, 28 then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. 29 You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. 30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you. 31 I will turn your cities into ruins and lay waste your sanctuaries, and I will take no delight in the pleasing aroma of your offerings. 32 I will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled. 33 I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins. 34 Then the land will enjoy its sabbath years all the time that it lies desolate and you are in the country of your enemies; then the land will rest and enjoy its sabbaths. 35 All the time that it lies desolate, the land will have the rest it did not have during the sabbaths you lived in it.

 36 " 'As for those of you who are left, I will make their hearts so fearful in the lands of their enemies that the sound of a windblown leaf will put them to flight. They will run as though fleeing from the sword, and they will fall, even though no one is pursuing them. 37 They will stumble over one another as though fleeing from the sword, even though no one is pursuing them. So you will not be able to stand before your enemies. 38 You will perish among the nations; the land of your enemies will devour you. 39 Those of you who are left will waste away in the lands of their enemies because of their sins; also because of their fathers' sins they will waste away.

 40 " 'But if they will confess their sins and the sins of their fathers—their treachery against me and their hostility toward me, 41 which made me hostile toward them so that I sent them into the land of their enemies—then when their uncircumcised hearts are humbled and they pay for their sin, 42 I will remember my covenant with Jacob and my covenant with Isaac and my covenant with Abraham, and I will remember the land. 43 For the land will be deserted by them and will enjoy its sabbaths while it lies desolate without them. They will pay for their sins because they rejected my laws and abhorred my decrees. 44 Yet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them or abhor them so as to destroy them completely, breaking my covenant with them. I am the LORD their God. 45 But for their sake I will remember the covenant with their ancestors whom I brought out of Egypt in the sight of the nations to be their God. I am the LORD.' "


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« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2010, 07:48:06 PM »
And then to really ram it home, Dvarim 28:


If you fully obey the LORD your G-d and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the LORD your G-d will set you high above all the nations on earth. 2 All these blessings will come upon you and accompany you if you obey the LORD your G-d:
 3 You will be blessed in the city and blessed in the country.

 4 The fruit of your womb will be blessed, and the crops of your land and the young of your livestock—the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.

 5 Your basket and your kneading trough will be blessed.

 6 You will be blessed when you come in and blessed when you go out.

 7 The LORD will grant that the enemies who rise up against you will be defeated before you. They will come at you from one direction but flee from you in seven.

 8 The LORD will send a blessing on your barns and on everything you put your hand to. The LORD your G-d will bless you in the land he is giving you.

 9 The LORD will establish you as his holy people, as he promised you on oath, if you keep the commands of the LORD your G-d and walk in his ways. 10 Then all the peoples on earth will see that you are called by the name of the LORD, and they will fear you. 11 The LORD will grant you abundant prosperity—in the fruit of your womb, the young of your livestock and the crops of your ground—in the land he swore to your forefathers to give you.

 12 The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands. You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. 13 The LORD will make you the head, not the tail. If you pay attention to the commands of the LORD your G-d that I give you this day and carefully follow them, you will always be at the top, never at the bottom. 14 Do not turn aside from any of the commands I give you today, to the right or to the left, following other gods and serving them.

Curses for Disobedience
 15 However, if you do not obey the LORD your G-d and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
 16 You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country.

 17 Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed.

 18 The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.

 19 You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out.

 20 The LORD will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him. [a] 21 The LORD will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess. 22 The LORD will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish. 23 The sky over your head will be bronze, the ground beneath you iron. 24 The LORD will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder; it will come down from the skies until you are destroyed.

 25 The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven, and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth. 26 Your carcasses will be food for all the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth, and there will be no one to frighten them away. 27 The LORD will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festering sores and the itch, from which you cannot be cured. 28 The LORD will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind. 29 At midday you will grope about like a blind man in the dark. You will be unsuccessful in everything you do; day after day you will be oppressed and robbed, with no one to rescue you.

 30 You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and ravish her. You will build a house, but you will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard, but you will not even begin to enjoy its fruit. 31 Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will eat none of it. Your donkey will be forcibly taken from you and will not be returned. Your sheep will be given to your enemies, and no one will rescue them. 32 Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, and you will wear out your eyes watching for them day after day, powerless to lift a hand. 33 A people that you do not know will eat what your land and labor produce, and you will have nothing but cruel oppression all your days. 34 The sights you see will drive you mad. 35 The LORD will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.

 36 The LORD will drive you and the king you set over you to a nation unknown to you or your fathers. There you will worship other gods, gods of wood and stone. 37 You will become a thing of horror and an object of scorn and ridicule to all the nations where the LORD will drive you.

 38 You will sow much seed in the field but you will harvest little, because locusts will devour it. 39 You will plant vineyards and cultivate them but you will not drink the wine or gather the grapes, because worms will eat them. 40 You will have olive trees throughout your country but you will not use the oil, because the olives will drop off. 41 You will have sons and daughters but you will not keep them, because they will go into captivity. 42 Swarms of locusts will take over all your trees and the crops of your land.

 43 The alien who lives among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. 44 He will lend to you, but you will not lend to him. He will be the head, but you will be the tail.

 45 All these curses will come upon you. They will pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the LORD your G-d and observe the commands and decrees he gave you. 46 They will be a sign and a wonder to you and your descendants forever. 47 Because you did not serve the LORD your G-d joyfully and gladly in the time of prosperity, 48 therefore in hunger and thirst, in nakedness and dire poverty, you will serve the enemies the LORD sends against you. He will put an iron yoke on your neck until he has destroyed you.

 49 The LORD will bring a nation against you from far away, from the ends of the earth, like an eagle swooping down, a nation whose language you will not understand, 50 a fierce-looking nation without respect for the old or pity for the young. 51 They will devour the young of your livestock and the crops of your land until you are destroyed. They will leave you no grain, new wine or oil, nor any calves of your herds or lambs of your flocks until you are ruined. 52 They will lay siege to all the cities throughout your land until the high fortified walls in which you trust fall down. They will besiege all the cities throughout the land the LORD your G-d is giving you.

 53 Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your G-d has given you. 54 Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, 55 and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. 56 The most gentle and sensitive woman among you—so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot—will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter 57 the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For she intends to eat them secretly during the siege and in the distress that your enemy will inflict on you in your cities.

 58 If you do not carefully follow all the words of this law, which are written in this book, and do not revere this glorious and awesome name—the LORD your G-d- 59 the LORD will send fearful plagues on you and your descendants, harsh and prolonged disasters, and severe and lingering illnesses. 60 He will bring upon you all the diseases of Egypt that you dreaded, and they will cling to you. 61 The LORD will also bring on you every kind of sickness and disaster not recorded in this Book of the Law, until you are destroyed. 62 You who were as numerous as the stars in the sky will be left but few in number, because you did not obey the LORD your G-d. 63 Just as it pleased the LORD to make you prosper and increase in number, so it will please him to ruin and destroy you. You will be uprooted from the land you are entering to possess.

 64 Then the LORD will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods—gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known. 65 Among those nations you will find no repose, no resting place for the sole of your foot. There the LORD will give you an anxious mind, eyes weary with longing, and a despairing heart. 66 You will live in constant suspense, filled with dread both night and day, never sure of your life. 67 In the morning you will say, "If only it were evening!" and in the evening, "If only it were morning!"-because of the terror that will fill your hearts and the sights that your eyes will see. 68 The LORD will send you back in ships to Egypt on a journey I said you should never make again. There you will offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.

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« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2010, 07:52:07 PM »
Thank you. I read all of that in detail, but those all describe punishment to the individual, nothing on the scale of 6 million, nothing close.  Those paragraphs describe punishment for individual transgressions

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« Reply #61 on: February 17, 2010, 05:55:45 AM »
And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it. 
28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. 
28:65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind: 
28:66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life: 
28:67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would G-d it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would G-d it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 


Does this sound like the onesh for individual transgressions?!

The Hebrew is all in the plural.

"No clearer pronouncements are necessary to show that Auschwitz is foretold in these verses" ("The Inescapable Truth", Rabbi Eli Gottlieb, p300).
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« Reply #62 on: February 17, 2010, 06:41:39 AM »

And when the Jew doesn't, Hashem arranges a miraculous defeat.

What's the problem in understanding that?

Your use of the term "miraculous" here is mistaken and is the precise cause of the confusion.   He will arrange defeat, but that is not "miraculous," it is tragic.

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« Reply #63 on: February 17, 2010, 06:43:30 AM »
Kahane,

 I do not understand when Jews on this forum say the Holocaust was "punishment" for Jewish transgressions or now a "miracle."  When I read these kinds of statements, I perceive them as anti-semetic and vicious.  

Well, I agree with you.  Such statements are reprehensible in my opinion.   So I also don't understand why people say them, although I suspect it stems from improper understanding of how the world works and the overall hashkafa (worldview) of Judaism.   Once someone adopts a twisted hashkafa and sacrifices their intellect to it, they will say any crazy thing.

Also usually people who say such things did not experience the events personally and often have limited to no personal connection at all to what happened (ie not to their family members, etc). 
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« Reply #64 on: February 17, 2010, 12:50:47 PM »
The only thing I'll add to this thread for now is I appreciate the efforts of everyone who is trying to enhance JTF.     Sometimes we will disagree on some topics.    Yet,  what stands out is how many enemies we have.     That's why its imperative we can agree to disagree at times as in the case in this thread.    But still work towards the overall goal of helping save the United States,   Israel,  and Western Civilization.

Eb22, I will agree with you. The most important thing is this: our members of the JTF all get along at the end of the day, despite any differences. Our common strong point is as you mentioned: We must remember who the real enemies are.
May G-d bless you Eb22 for being fair to everyone here, and you are very bright...you bring up many excellent points that I and others here see.

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« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2010, 05:35:29 PM »
The only thing I'll add to this thread for now is I appreciate the efforts of everyone who is trying to enhance JTF.     Sometimes we will disagree on some topics.    Yet,  what stands out is how many enemies we have.     That's why its imperative we can agree to disagree at times as in the case in this thread.    But still work towards the overall goal of helping save the United States,   Israel,  and Western Civilization.

Eb22, I will agree with you. The most important thing is this: our members of the JTF all get along at the end of the day, despite any differences. Our common strong point is as you mentioned: We must remember who the real enemies are.
May G-d bless you Eb22 for being fair to everyone here, and you are very bright...you bring up many excellent points that I and others here see.


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« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2010, 07:09:23 AM »
In 1991 Saddam fired 38 Scuds at Tel Aviv and Haifa. Only 1 was killed.

The last Scud Saddam fired killed 28 US soldiers and injured 100 (ie delimbed and blinded them) in Saudi Arabia, to remind people how Hashem could have made Israel's casualties very many, if not for His open mercy at that time.
But dozens of other Scuds did not kill anyone. Suicide terror is much more lethal.

Also Lebanon is much smaller than Iraq and today we have much better surveillance technologies than in 1991. So it will be impossible for hebollah to launch large number of big missiles like Scud. Also today we have upgraded Patriots, Arrow (Hetz), Iron Dome.



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« Reply #68 on: February 22, 2010, 05:01:03 AM »
Scuds no, but half-size Zilzals and Fatehs they could launch.


in 2006 Hizbollah fired 6000 rockets in to Israel in 1 month.

If their hand had not been prematurely forced by the useful idiot Olmert, they would by today, 4 years later, have amassed an arsenal right up by the border capable of firing 30,000 rockets in to Israel in 1 week, from 5kg warhead katyushas up to 400kg warhead Zilzals.

Don't tell me that that wouldn't be an existential threat to the Medina!

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« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2010, 08:52:21 AM »
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Scuds no, but half-size Zilzals and Fatehs they could launch.
Very limited number.

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in 2006 Hizbollah fired 6000 rockets in to Israel in 1 month.
4000.

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If their hand had not been prematurely forced by the useful idiot Olmert, they would by today, 4 years later, have amassed an arsenal right up by the border capable of firing 30,000 rockets in to Israel in 1 week, from 5kg warhead katyushas up to 400kg warhead Zilzals.

In 2006 Hezbollah fired

~ 4000 122-mm Grads
~ 150 220-240-mm Fajar-3 and Raads
28 302-330 Fajar-5 and Khaibars
They did not manage to launch a single Zelzal.

28 Fajar-5 and Khaibars caused virtualy no damage.

30,000 rockets in 1 week is pure hallucination. Number of Grads will hardy increase compare to previous war. Number of 200 and 300 mm class rockets may increase 2-3 times plus they might launch several Zelzals. Thats not something that will destroy Israel.

Soon will be ready Iron Dome which can shoot down 200-300 mm class rockets.
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« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2010, 04:10:46 PM »
90% of the residents of the Galilee fled south in 2006, and that casualties were  low is a nes. One of the smallest katyushas killed 12 Israeli soldiers, just as a soupcon to remind Israelis what kind of casualties could have happened. Where is everyone going to flee if north, central and southern Israel gets hit simultaneously, by Hizbollah and Hamas?

Even if infrastructure is not damaged (disabling of the Haifa oil plant and ammonia farms, or the Hadera and Ashdod electric power stations doesn't bear thinking about) and casualties are low, the population will go in to paralytic shock: "The 2nd skin of every Jew is fear!" (Anwar Sadat).

Sufficient paralytic shock that the PA, Israeli Arabs and even some surrounding nations might be tempted to join in in an yitbach al yahud mode!

Jus' what is Gabi going to do DIFFERENTLY than the semi-incompetent Halutz?!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War
Short of using micro-nukes, WHAT is going to be the Israeli response?

With Obama as president and that verfluchter polak Brzezinski advising him, Israel's hands are going to be really tied.
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Re: Irina creates a great new video dedicated to 30 JTF members
« Reply #71 on: February 24, 2010, 09:22:22 AM »
90% of the residents of the Galilee fled south in 2006,
Thats not true.

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and that casualties were  low is a nes.

No, rockets are simply not effective.

38 scuds in 1991 - 1 killed.
4000 Hezbollah missiles in 2006 - 44 killed.
8000 Kassams from 2002-2010 - 20 killed.

Suicide bombers from 1994-2008 killed over 1000. So why "miracles" are so sellective?

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Where is everyone going to flee if north, central and southern Israel gets hit simultaneously, by Hizbollah and Hamas?

When someone pushes Israelis to corner they mobilize and strike back hard. This happaned before.

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Even if infrastructure is not damaged (disabling of the Haifa oil plant and ammonia farms, or the Hadera and Ashdod electric power stations doesn't bear thinking about) and casualties are low, the population will go in to paralytic shock: "The 2nd skin of every Jew is fear!" (Anwar Sadat).

Why you repeat anti Semitic slogans of some Nazi Arab?

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Jus' what is Gabi going to do DIFFERENTLY than the semi-incompetent Halutz?!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War
Short of using micro-nukes, WHAT is going to be the Israeli response?
I dont expect much difference as I said. But 2006 was very heavy blow to Hezbollah and Lebanese shiites. If they strike Tel Aviv blow will be even more hard.
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Re: Irina creates a great new video dedicated to 30 JTF members
« Reply #72 on: February 25, 2010, 12:24:24 PM »
Nazi 'primitive' V rockets killed 10,000 British. 600 Allied soldiers and Belgian civilians were killed by just one V rocket alone on Antwerp. 2000 Iranians were killed in Tehran and 6000 injured by Iraqi Scuds in 1988. 3 million fled Tehran. Rockets can be very effective. That they haven't caused major Israeli casualties to date is a nes.

500,000 Israelis fled the North in 2006. Safed, Rosh Pina, Kiryat Shmona, Kfar Vradim, Tiberias, Meron, Shlomi, Karmiel etc all emptied out 50-90%. I know: I was there!

Sadat's quote about a Jew's innate fear is a truism and is always being used by Prof Eidelberg.

I expect round II against Hizbollah to be VERY different!
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Re: Irina creates a great new video dedicated to 30 JTF members
« Reply #73 on: February 25, 2010, 02:23:56 PM »
Nazi 'primitive' V rockets killed 10,000 British. 600 Allied soldiers and Belgian civilians were killed by just one V rocket alone on Antwerp. 2000 Iranians were killed in Tehran and 6000 injured by Iraqi Scuds in 1988. 3 million fled Tehran. Rockets can be very effective. That they haven't caused major Israeli casualties to date is a nes.
1) They did not kill 10,000 British but less than 3 thousands.
2) Germans fired THOUSANDS of V2 rockets. No one will let Lebanese to fire this amount of large missiles. They will fire dozen Zelzals at maximum.
3) So there was only 2 killed per V2 missile. And number of casualties from rockets drastically decreases thanks to warning systems. There is not any "nes".

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500,000 Israelis fled the North in 2006. Safed, Rosh Pina, Kiryat Shmona, Kfar Vradim, Tiberias, Meron, Shlomi, Karmiel etc all emptied out 50-90%. I know: I was there!
Yep 50% is more close than 90%. I live in Haifa and very few left it.

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Sadat's quote about a Jew's innate fear is a truism and is always being used by Prof Eidelberg.

Thats primitive anti Semitism. Jews are a brave nation.

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I expect round II against Hizbollah to be VERY different!
You expect in vain.
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« Reply #74 on: February 25, 2010, 03:12:29 PM »
3000 Brits were killed by the V2. Another 6000 were killed by the V1. Plus tens of thousands of badly injured ie living dead. Not including the many killed in Belgium.

Red Haifa is not the Galilee.

The Galilee was largely empted out of Jews (a fulfilment of the Mishnaic prophecy that "before Ben David comes.....the Galilee will be destroyed" - Sotah 49?!).

The Galilee Arabs stayed, many cheering on the Hizbollah rockets, just as they cheered on Saddam's SCUDs in 1991, even if it meant their own deaths!

Jews were brave once.

But 2000 years of pachad in the Exile, plus the effects of demoralising, prideless, pro-Arab, anti-G-d, anti-Torah, anti-Kahanist secularist Israeli leftist education, plus distorted Tenach-less Haredi education that constantly preaches minimising Israel's biblical borders, I fear has removed a large part of that bravery from the Jew.

A large part of this is also due to the so-called "Gedolim" with their emphasis on "pikuach nefesh" ie that all steps must be taken to save lives - INCLUDING giving up Eretz Yisrael.

This has undermined the Orthodox world, who by rights, should be the bravest Jews, but with a few exceptions such as the Nahal Haredi, are largely big, beared Hassidic poltroons who cower at a yapping poodle!
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