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Protesters clash with riot police during a demonstration in Athens on Wednesday. Greece ground to a halt as unions staged a one-day general strike and thousands of demonstrators took to the streets to protest austerity measures designed to tame a public debt crisis.

A small group of youths threw Molotov cocktails at police, who responded with tear gas. However, the 20,000 people who filed through downtown Athens—a relatively large crowd for a Greek strike—mostly limited themselves to chanting anti-government slogans.

Public- and private-sector unions called the strike to protest a range of measures aimed at reducing Greece's budget deficit. The government has announced a freeze on civil-service wages, cuts in public-sector entitlements and the closing of tax loopholes for certain professions, including some civil servants. It has also announced a fuel-tax increase.

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"There is an all-out war against public servants, those who earn the least," said Spyros Papaspyros president of ADEDY, an umbrella union for public-sector workers. "We will fight to keep the little we have. The government and the EU must understand the crisis must be paid by the rich."

The government moves are aimed at reducing Greece's budget deficit, which at about 13% of gross domestic product last year was well over the EU's 3% limit. This has raised the interest rate Greece has to pay to borrow money. Brussels has ordered Greece to bring the deficit to within the EU limit by 2012.


A massive general strike to protest E.U.-mandated austerity measures closed banks, government offices and post offices, crippling the Greek capital Wednesday. WSJ's Andy Jordan reports from the streets of Athens.

Despite the protests, which follow strikes in recent weeks, Greece appears determined to press ahead with its measures. An opinion poll published Sunday by Greek newspaper Ethnos showed that 76% of Greeks opposed strikes for the time being, and 58% thought the government's austerity measures were in the right direction.

Following a visit Tuesday by EU and International Monetary Fund officials, the Greek government is due to announce further austerity measures, possibly as early as next week. On March 16, EU finance ministers will meet to review Greece's progress.

ADEDY, the union, said about 80% of its members were on strike Wednesday. Government offices, schools and universities were closed, as was Athens International Airport. Train, bus and ferry services were canceled nationwide, though a minimum level of service was maintained in Athens.

The journalists' union also took part, so there were no reports of the strike on Greek television, and no newspapers were scheduled to be published Thursday.

Many demonstrators said they hadn't yet suffered the effects of the cutbacks—but were fearful of what the future held.

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"Up until now I haven't seen my income drop," said Christos Marinis, a 45-year-old accountant. "But all this talk of catastrophes has hurt my company's business, and there will be a drop in workers' and pensioners' incomes."

Though many Greeks recognize that their country needs to take drastic measures to fix its problems, resentment against outsiders is growing.

"The capitalist crisis is both the cause of global turmoil and the excuse for our rights to be taken away," said Panos Bikos, a 31-year-old electrical engineer.

A group of primary-school teachers carried a banner reading, "No to economic subjugation by the government, the EU and capital markets."

The demonstrations began peacefully. But as the march reached Syntagma Square, location of the Greek parliament, about 20 youths broke away and threw missiles, plastic bottles and pieces of marble at police. Some bus stops were damaged.The police tear gas broke up the scuffles and sent customers fleeing from the outdoor terraces of some cafés around the square.


Public and private sector unions are striking in Greece, shutting down transportation and tourist attractions. Courtesy of Reuters.

Greece's unemployment rate was around 9% at the end of last year, but is expected to exceed 10% this year. Giorgos Asimakopoulos, 47, lost his job a year ago when the road-works company that employed him closed down. Since then he has been serving souvlaki, chunks of meat grilled on a skewer, from a mobile stand.

Even that income has dropped during the downturn, he said. Last year he made around €150 euros ($203) at a big soccer game, but on Tuesday night had taken in just €50 at the European Champions League game between Olympiakos of Athens and Girondins de Bordeaux, a French team. On Wednesday many of his customers were strikers.

"There's been a big drop in business," he said. "The strikes should continue."

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Re: Mass rioting and protesting in Greece. Will this be the USA in 2 years?
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2010, 09:50:58 PM »
Sounds more like a communist riot then something you would like to happen in America.

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Re: Mass rioting and protesting in Greece. Will this be the USA in 2 years?
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2010, 10:05:45 PM »
This may be the beginning of the end for the EU.  The dollar may soon gain strength against the Euro.  Americans will riot one day but they are so fat and lazy that it will take a shockingly long time for them to get outraged.  >:(

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Re: Mass rioting and protesting in Greece. Will this be the USA in 2 years?
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2010, 11:41:09 PM »


Quote from: Howard Beale in the movie "Network"
I dont have to tell you things are bad. Everybody
  knows things are bad. Its a depression. Everybodys out of work or
  scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickels work, banks
  are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are
  running wild in the street and theres nobody anywhere who seems to
  know what to do, and theres no end to it. We know the air is unfit
  to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our
  TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen
  homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if thats the way its
  supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. Theyre
  crazy. Its like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we dont
  go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are
  living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, Please, at least
  leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my
  TV and my steel-belted radials and I wont say anything. Just leave
  us alone. Well, Im not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get
  mad! I dont want you to protest. I dont want you to riot - I
  dont want you to write to your congressman because I wouldnt know
  what to tell you to write. I dont know what to do about the
  depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the
  street. All I know is that first youve got to get mad.
Howard Beale: [shouting] Youve got to say, Im a HUMAN BEING,
  Goddamnit! My life has VALUE! So I want you to get up now. I want
  all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right
  now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and
  yell, [shouting] IM AS MAD AS HELL, AND IM NOT GOING TO TAKE
  THIS ANYMORE! I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your
  windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - Im as mad
  as hell and Im not going to take this anymore! Things have got to
  change. But first, youve gotta get mad!... Youve got to say, Im
  as mad as hell, and Im not going to take this anymore! Then well
  figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and
  the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the
  window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it:
Howard Beale: [screaming at the top of his lungs] "IM AS MAD AS
  HELL, AND IM NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"
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Re: Mass rioting and protesting in Greece. Will this be the USA in 2 years?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2010, 12:37:17 AM »


Quote from: Howard Beale in the movie "Network"
I dont have to tell you things are bad. Everybody
  knows things are bad. Its a depression. Everybodys out of work or
  scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickels work, banks
  are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are
  running wild in the street and theres nobody anywhere who seems to
  know what to do, and theres no end to it. We know the air is unfit
  to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our
  TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen
  homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if thats the way its
  supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. Theyre
  crazy. Its like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we dont
  go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are
  living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, Please, at least
  leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my
  TV and my steel-belted radials and I wont say anything. Just leave
  us alone. Well, Im not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get
  mad! I dont want you to protest. I dont want you to riot - I
  dont want you to write to your congressman because I wouldnt know
  what to tell you to write. I dont know what to do about the
  depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the
  street. All I know is that first youve got to get mad.
Howard Beale: [shouting] Youve got to say, Im a HUMAN BEING,
  Goddamnit! My life has VALUE! So I want you to get up now. I want
  all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right
  now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and
  yell, [shouting] IM AS MAD AS HELL, AND IM NOT GOING TO TAKE
  THIS ANYMORE! I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your
  windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - Im as mad
  as hell and Im not going to take this anymore! Things have got to
  change. But first, youve gotta get mad!... Youve got to say, Im
  as mad as hell, and Im not going to take this anymore! Then well
  figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and
  the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the
  window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it:
Howard Beale: [screaming at the top of his lungs] "IM AS MAD AS
  HELL, AND IM NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"

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Re: Mass rioting and protesting in Greece. Will this be the USA in 2 years?
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2010, 06:00:07 AM »
"The capitalist crisis", what a joke. This from a country that for years had a runaway socialist government that basically gave people money for doing nothing.
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Re: Mass rioting and protesting in Greece. Will this be the USA in 2 years?
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2010, 06:38:46 AM »
This looks like the end of the Euorpen Union, not only for Greece but the rest of Europe as well.

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Re: Mass rioting and protesting in Greece. Will this be the USA in 2 years?
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2010, 07:02:47 AM »
Greece is a great example of the corruption that inherently comes to a people when they swallow socialism.  This is a long-civilized and once-proud nation, from WAY back in the day of the great philosophers, through their role as a Christian bulwark against Islam in the middle-ages, to running a dogged guerrilla campaign against a far more powerful Nazi army in the Second World War.  Now, they've become so fat on the public bottle that even the socialists in Brussels are saying 'no mas'.

And by the way, I cannot be the only person who was shocked to first see this:  Air travelers recall postings at American airports saying that certain nations have inadequate airport security.  Amidst a list peppered with mostly African nations is Greece.  When you're in a list with African nations, you know that something is grievously wrong.

Can this happen in America?  What's more likely is that the current leadership in D.C. would just print more money, and we would have Zimbabwe-like inflation instead.

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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2010, 07:32:31 AM »
Greece is a great example of the corruption that inherently comes to a people when they swallow socialism.  This is a long-civilized and once-proud nation, from WAY back in the day of the great philosophers, through their role as a Christian bulwark against Islam in the middle-ages, to running a dogged guerrilla campaign against a far more powerful Nazi army in the Second World War.  Now, they've become so fat on the public bottle that even the socialists in Brussels are saying 'no mas'.

And by the way, I cannot be the only person who was shocked to first see this:  Air travelers recall postings at American airports saying that certain nations have inadequate airport security.  Amidst a list peppered with mostly African nations is Greece.  When you're in a list with African nations, you know that something is grievously wrong.

Can this happen in America?  What's more likely is that the current leadership in D.C. would just print more money, and we would have Zimbabwe-like inflation instead.

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In a few years, America will be just like Zimbabwe.

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Re: Mass rioting and protesting in Greece. Will this be the USA in 2 years?
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2010, 01:49:21 PM »
Greece is much sicker economy than the US and most other European economies. Their annual deficit is greater than those of US and UK, at about 12%, its total debt is above 100% of its GDP, Greece also has higher unemployment, the government sector is bigger, productivity is lower, it is harder to fire workers, and to top on it all Greece lost its monetary independence by joining the eurozone.

Also Greece has a socialist government that so far refuses to take austerity measures that its situation requires.

But I think if Obama can get re-elected, then the US would deteriorate to a situation not unlike that of what Greece is facing now.

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Re: Mass rioting and protesting in Greece. Will this be the USA in 2 years?
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2010, 02:16:33 PM »
Greece is much sicker economy than the US and most other European economies. Their annual deficit is greater than those of US and UK, at about 12%, its total debt is above 100% of its GDP, Greece also has higher unemployment, the government sector is bigger, productivity is lower, it is harder to fire workers, and to top on it all Greece lost its monetary independence by joining the eurozone.

Also Greece has a socialist government that so far refuses to take austerity measures that its situation requires.

But I think if Obama can get re-elected, then the US would deteriorate to a situation not unlike that of what Greece is facing now.

The US WILL be at about 100% debt to its GDP in about 14 months.   Even the white house has admitted this.  THe best POSSIBLE scenario is that we will level off at 150%, and finally cut our expenses dramatically in a couple years. (I'm hoping for this, since this recession is starting to hit home.)

ITs more likley we will be at 200% as more and more baby boomers are taking early retirement, and the social security disaster could merge with this disaster as early as 2012.  After this, we either take HUGE painfull cuts, or we will be in an unimaginably bad situation.  Mark my words, if we dont change course, we will be in a FAR worse scenario than Greece.

By the way,  Im guessing around October, we will have another bank panic.  Just warning you guys.  :)

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Re: Mass rioting and protesting in Greece. Will this be the USA in 2 years?
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2010, 02:24:46 PM »
Greece is a great example of the corruption that inherently comes to a people when they swallow socialism.  This is a long-civilized and once-proud nation, from WAY back in the day of the great philosophers, through their role as a Christian bulwark against Islam in the middle-ages, to running a dogged guerrilla campaign against a far more powerful Nazi army in the Second World War.  Now, they've become so fat on the public bottle that even the socialists in Brussels are saying 'no mas'.

And by the way, I cannot be the only person who was shocked to first see this:  Air travelers recall postings at American airports saying that certain nations have inadequate airport security.  Amidst a list peppered with mostly African nations is Greece.  When you're in a list with African nations, you know that something is grievously wrong.

Can this happen in America?  What's more likely is that the current leadership in D.C. would just print more money, and we would have Zimbabwe-like inflation instead.

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Rush just talked about this on his show today.  He said the same thing... if we don't change course, look to Greece. 

I know we are NOT a socialist country , not even close, but we are no longer considered an economically free country.  Were now in the second tier.  Even Canada is now considered more economically free than the US.  (Amazing).  We have a record percentage of people in the public sector.  We have a socialized banking system, a socialized auto industry, we now have over half the population using a government health insurance provider.... Reagan was right... socialism is dangerous, because it happens slowly...  too slowly to really notice.