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Offline White Israelite

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Re: Saudi to behead Lebanese fortune teller tommorow
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2010, 10:29:55 PM »
Not every muslim is a muslim by choice, in the case of Jewish woman who were forced to marry a muslim man the child is Jewish under Jewish law but in Islamic countries, the child is muslim if the father is muslim and leaving islam (apostate) is death penalty, so maybe this was a rare case, who knows. Mecca has a lot of immigrants and people not originally from there.

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Re: Saudi to behead Lebanese fortune teller tommorow
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2010, 11:27:00 PM »
Re:  "Judges are meant to interpret the law, not to change the law."

This being a given, how best to punish someone who violates the Sabbath this year in Connecticut or Tel Aviv?

People living in the Western world who would put others to death in accord with Torah Law will be arrested, charged with murder, and prosecuted.

Same goes for modern day State of Israel.

Have there ever been any incidents of such stoning to death in the State of Israel?
Occasionally we hear of the unobservant being pelted with rocks in Mea Shearim .  I'm not well informed as regards all that goes on among modern day Jews, but am curious to know if anyone here on the forum is aware of Jews carrying out "death by stoning" sentences in the present day.

I think I already addressed this... We are incapable of carrying out these sentences, or even imposing them today... They can only be sentenced by the Sanhedrin, the Supreme Court of Jewish law which consisted of 70 of the wisest men {they had to know 70 languages}. Without the Sanhedrin we are left on our own and the punishments laid out in Torah cannot be carried out.

Im sorry if I did not make that clear before. And I am not going to be the one to suggest Torah mandated punishment, or to carry out the punishment, or to be a witness against anyone who violates Shabbat.

We have a long way to go before we can return to Hashem the way he wants us to. But I have faith that the day will come... May it be in our day.

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"Sanhedrin"  - (m., pl. "Sanhedriyaot") - 1. the Jewish "Supreme Court;" it consisted of seventy one great Torah  Sages, who met in the "Lishkat HaGazit," the "Office of Hewn Stone," adjacent to the Temple in Jerusalem; 2. The Masechta, or Folio of the Talmud  that discusses the activities of the Sanhedrin, and related matters.

The Rabbis who were the members of the Sanhedrin had all received "Semichah," the formal passing over of the Tradition from their teachers.

On the floor of the Sanhedrin were debated the fundamental principles of the Torah, and the result was established by majority vote.

Cases that were the most difficult or the most critical for the Jewish People were decided by the Sanhedrin. A majority had to be at least two votes. Any Capital case in which all the votes were for condemnation, was automatically changed to acquittal.

There is discussion in the Talmud of the question of how frequently capital punishment was imposed by the Sanhedrin, although the Torah does explicitly allow for it. Some said that a Sanhedrin that imposed the death penalty once in seven years was considered "bloody;" another opinion is that it was seventy years. Another said that it depended on the generation. Yet another was that restraint in imposing the death penalty would increase the number of murderers in Israel.

After the Temple was destroyed, the Sanhedrin moved from place to place in Israel. It finally was dissolved when, in the absence of the greatest Sages of Israel, the Institution of Semichah could no longer be applied.

During the Middle Ages, there was an attempt to revive the Sanhedrin by re-instituting Semichah. But due to opposition by some of the Torah Sages of that generation, the idea never became a reality.
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Re: Saudi to behead Lebanese fortune teller tommorow
« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2010, 02:44:48 AM »
These muslamic killers do not have an iota of regards for the sacred Torah laws or any inklings of appreciation towards the liberal American traditions. So they can not be compared with any of them.

Muslam by itself is such a retrogressive phenomenon that it may be difficult to connect it to any positive worldly affair.
There are thunders and sparks in the skies, because Faraday invented the electricity.