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Wow .. really rabbi brody ? ur a hypocrite
« on: May 14, 2010, 02:22:21 AM »
This Rabbi was a special forces and brags about it as a rabbi ..... but look at what he wrote .. OMG really? are you freaking kidding me? he needs to be excommunicated  and people need to know what he says . Is he so **** that he doesn't realize that indeed all Jews indeed WILL NOT repent ? is  living in LA-LA land? i guess war will do that 2 you.  If G-d will do everything for you why do we have a milchemt mitzva ..  hey while we are at it lets take out more mitzvas i told him all the Kahana Ideas he doesn't have the balls to respond to it. im gonna call in the tovia singer show and tell him about this nonsnece L.B is writing so everyone listening to INR will hear this and we will see what side Tovia singer takes

to sum LB its an "avirah" (lol) to be a JTFer

to bad he is a great speaker i used to like him .. now i dunno

Rabbi Broudy you make aliah and all the work in the army for this nonsense?


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Dear Rabbi Brody,
I have read the Garden of Emuna and other books that you have sent me and I understand "mentally" how I am not to be involved in "political activism" but I should be involved in personal prayer for an hour a day. I am not Jewish and therefore I have no right to make Aliya to the Land of Israel but things are turning for the worse in the United States with the political situation of our government turning into a socialist/communist form of government under the current administration. The government is abandoning the "Constitution" of the United States and they are beginning to encroach in every facet of our lives through excessive taxes, currency devaluation, propaganda, corruption, forced government health care, etc.
 
Am I just to sit back and let them "steal" the money that I have and give in or do I dig in my heels and say enough is enough! I know that you are against activism and political involvement in any way, but I will wait for your response. Dear Rabbi Brody, what are we Americans to do? What if the Jewish people had stood up to Hitler or Stalin before things got out of hand? Are we to just sit back and do nothing? I would love to live in Israel and I pray that every Jew returns back to the land of Israel because it is what Hashem requires of them but what are we to do as Gentiles? There are so many questions and not enough time. This has been on my heart for so long and I guess the Irish "fight" is coming out in me. Please help me understand. Thank you for your time and I will continue to support you and I pray for the Redemption of Israel and of the whole world! May Hashem continue to bless you!

Justin M.
 
 
Dear Justin,
 
Your question is a superb one. The answer is not a universal one, but an individual one. In general, the stronger our emuna, the less effort we have to invest in worldly efforts. In the case of a Noahide, you should surely certainly take advantage of the democratic tools that are at your disposal – the right to vote, the right to express yourself, and the right to influence others. Yet, we have to remember that everything in this world is The Almighty’s way of communicating with us. When we don’t use our personal freedoms properly, then we end up losing them. Rather than demonstrate about the economy, one would be much more prudent in asking himself, “Why is Hashem giving me economic challenges?” To paraphrase the Torah, when we do what we’re supposed to, Hashem fights our battles and we can remain silent.
 
As to your comment about Hitler and Stalin, one’s “might of the right arm” efforts don’t alter Divine decrees once the spiritual ax has fallen. Yet, again, prayer and teshuva can.
 
You’re right Justin in second-guessing that I’d tell you not to waste your time on activism and to strengthen emuna and personal prayer – he who is connected upstairs never falls downstairs. Those righteous Noahides that help us spread emuna in the world don’t have anything to worry about anyway, financially or otherwise. Hashem not only cares for all their needs, but moves mountains for them.
 
Smiles and Blessings, LB"

..................The Almighty lord is not smiling at this nonsense you are spreading to naive people.
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Re: Wow .. really rabbi brody ? ur a hypocrite
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2010, 02:49:22 AM »
I'm not sure I follow ..  Where did he say it's an "averah" be involved in JTF?  That is ludicrous.  However, I don't see him saying that.

In any case, if you do call in, please speak respectfully otherwise people may get a bad impression and ignore what you have to say.

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Re: Wow .. really rabbi brody ? ur a hypocrite
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2010, 03:03:01 AM »
"I’d tell you not to waste your time on activism"....why not LB?  His answer ; "he who is connected upstairs never falls downstairs" = weak argument.. i guess israel was established by Magic without any efforts on the part of man (with) gods help of course not just god all by himslef he gives us the means .. I like how he aviodedthe sitting and going nothing part of the qustion .. how conviniant ..

"As to your comment about Hitler and Stalin, one’s “might of the right arm” efforts don’t alter Divine decrees once the spiritual ax has fallen. Yet, again, prayer and teshuva can."   ................Really LB why not do both?

And of course i will be respectful that is something Kahane always said... but i may get to passionate maybe someone else can call in for me  who has a cooler head. Tovia is on t w t  in israel 3pm EST US & Canada: 1-800-270-4288
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Re: Wow .. really rabbi brody ? ur a hypocrite
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2010, 10:14:17 AM »
I think you are misreading what he has said. Every time I listen to Rabbi Brody he expresses true Jewish faith that Jews will inhabit Israel. He is a very strong Zionist and never has said anything which would harm Israel or Jews. What I read you posted is not a put down to us, it is a call for all Jews to strengthen their emmunah. Without faith the Jewish people are lost and Rabbi Brody is RIGHT ON when it comes to this.

Please be sure you are saying what you are saying because Rabbi Brody is a very good Rabbi who has nothing but love for the Jewish people. Don't besmirch his name because he is one of the best pro-zionist Rabbis I listen to.

What he wrote about is 100% Pure Jewish belief. It comes straight from the Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur davening. The only way to turn back an evil decree is through the three things, teshuva, charity, and prayer... Read the Torah my friend and hear Hashems own words say that any victory the Jews have is not through our own hands but from the hand of G-d himself. When our faith is strong, as when we first met Amalek in the desert, we will win... When our faith is weak, as in the event with Korach in the desert, we will fail.


 
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Re: Wow .. really rabbi brody ? ur a hypocrite
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2010, 10:24:53 AM »
Some good thoughts on the Jewish view toward war and conflict...

http://www.jlaw.com/Commentary/warandpeace.html


Jewish Reflections on War and Peace
Rabbi Chaim Steinmetz


Peter Gay in his book The Cultivation of Hatred, describes the Mensur, the student duel that became popular among German University students the late 19th century. Spectators would gather in a room, while the combatants, who wore protective goggles and padding, would take out swords and fight. The entire purpose of the duel was the resulting wounds; as the duel progressed, pieces of the combatants' scalp and face would be hacked off. (These pieces were immediately placed in an envelope to be carefully preserved by their former owners.) The schmisse, the wound received in the duel, was considered to be a permanent record of the possessor's courage and honor, proof that he was no coward. (Sadly, Jewish students, eager to disprove the anti-Semitic libel that they were cowards, were disproportionately  likely to engage in these honor duels.) In Gay's view, the mensur was part of larger pattern of bourgeois cultivation of aggression in the Victorian Era. This cultural climate prompted the major powers to overreact to minor events at the start of World War One. In this regard, the Victorian Era was not unique; from Sparta to the Crusades to Hamas and Osama Bin Laden, many groups and societies have romanticized aggression and war, often with devastating results.

Judaism has never considered violence to be glamorous. In the army of Bar Kochva, new recruits were expected to prove their bravery by severing one of their fingers. The Rabbis of the time strongly disapproved of this practice, considering it destructive and pointless (Eichah Rabbah 2:4). Despite the Jewish distaste for violence, Judaism recognizes both "a time of war and a time of peace" (Ecclesiastes 3:8). What requires clarification, is how the conflicting values of war and peace interact with each other. With a long conflict expected in Afghanistan, it is the proper time to reflect on the Jewish attitude towards war.

Any Jewish discussion of war must begin with peace. Peace is Judaism's highest aspiration. The Midrash says the entire Torah is based on the value of peace (Gittin 59b; Bamidbar Rabbah 11:7). Another Midrash (Vayikra Rabbah 9:9) explains that the obligation to seek peace is of a much higher order than ritual observances. It notes that although many of the Torah's commandments are phrased in conditional terms such as "if you see", "if you meet", "if you come across", which indicate that they are only operative in specific situations, the imperative of peace is much greater, because the Torah demands that one "search for peace and pursue it" (Psalms 34:15).

In order to maintain peaceful relations between individuals, we are allowed to compromise on other moral and religious values. One may lie in order to prevent strife (Yebamot 65b), and in one instance, a section of the Torah may be erased in order to preserve marital peace (see Rambam Chanukah 4:14).

One must bend over backwards to make peace. It is a mark of piety if a person accepts insults quietly, and does not respond (Shabbat 88b); a true scholar is humble, and ignores the slights of others (Eruvin 54a). In general, grace and mercy are divine attributes, meant to be emulated by man (Shabbat 133b).

Clearly peace is Judaism's paramount value; but how do we apply this value in the face of aggression? Some might argue pacifism is an appropriate response. Pacifism has the advantage of being uncompromising, categorical, and absolute. Pacifists can retain their love for peace, and not sully their hands with violent actions. Considering the strong emphasis the Jewish tradition places on peace, this view has to be taken seriously.

There are two major arguments made for pacifism. One is consequentialist, and assumes that in long run, the world will be more peaceful if individuals and groups choose to remain passive in the face of aggression. A second argument is moral, which claims that violence is absolutely forbidden, no matter what the circumstances are. (See Brian Orend, Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, s.v. "War"). Consequentialists posit that if you are defending yourself with violence, you perpetuate an endless cycle of violence. It sees non-violent protest as a way of ending this cycle. According to this argument, attacking Afghanistan will only create future violent reactions; the United States would be better off taking the high ground, and by remaining a passive victim, which would ultimately convince the aggressors of their immoral stance.

This view is not new; indeed, some pacifists trace this idea to a passage in Josephus' The Jewish War (Book II chapter 16). In a speech by Agrippa, (the Jewish King during the Jewish revolt of 66 c.e.), he exhorts the crowd, which wants to revolt against the Roman Governor Florus, to be patient. He tells them: "Now nothing so much damps the force of strokes as bearing them with patience; and the quietness of those who are injured diverts the injurious persons from afflicting."

This view can also be called the "shvieg shtill" (stay quiet) view of pacifism; it assumes that people will receive goodwill if they remain meek, passive and useful. Indeed, the Talmud (Gittin 57a) considers the Jewish revolt a tragic mistake. The tactic of "shvieg shtill" was often used by Jews in antisemitic societies, where they found it best to avoid making waves, and offer complete cooperation to those in authority. However, even this approach has its limitations, and there are times when remaining passive is ridiculous. There is a well known Jewish joke that illustrates this point. Two Jews are about to be executed by a firing squad. As they are handed their blindfolds, one of the Jews refuses to put his on. The second Jew, mortified by this act of rebellion, turns to his friend and says: "Please, don't make trouble!"

While the "shvieg shtill" form of pacifism is a reasonable approach for a powerless group, it would seem absurd for a powerful nation like the United States to remain completely nonviolent, allowing all who attack it to do so with impunity. Yet pacifists argue that even world powers should embrace nonviolence, and refuse to offer any resistance to those who attack it. They argue that nonviolence, by virtue of its moral authority, can be successful, and note that Gandhi succeeded in getting the British to leave India through nonviolent protest. However, as Michael Walzer points out in his book Just and Unjust Wars, Gandhi succeeded because he was opposing an empire tired and weakened after World War II, and opposing an empire with a tradition of respect for human rights. It would have been ineffective in other instances. For the 6,000,000 Jews getting murdered in Europe, Gandhi had no practical advice. He advised Rabbi Leo Baeck, the leader of German Jewry during the Holocaust, that he should get all German Jews to commit mass suicide; this he said would focus the world's attention on Hitler's inhumanity. (To this Baeck replied that "we Jews know, that it is G-d's singular commandment, to live.") Nonviolent protest would have done nothing to change Hitler's evil heart.

The second type of pacifism, moral pacifism, assumes that it is morally forbidden to use violence, even in self-defense. Many people are inspired by the nonviolent Buddhist teachings of the 14th Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso, who received the 1989 Nobel Peace Prize. Exiled from his homeland of Tibet, he still preaches a principled form of nonviolence to his followers in Tibet, asserting that "because violence can only breed more violence and suffering, our struggle must remain nonviolent and free of hatred." Others have based their moral pacifism on the New Testament. In  Matthew 26:52 Jesus tells a disciple not to defend him against an enemy. It says "Then said Jesus unto him, put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." This can be construed as a prohibition against any violence, even in self defense. Furthermore, on the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:29), Jesus says: "But I say unto you, that ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." While many Christian authorities interpret these verses in other ways, there are Christian sects, such as the Mennonites and Anabaptists, who preach a moral pacifism that views violence, even in self defense, as unethical.

In the Jewish tradition, self defense is a moral obligation. The Torah allows people to defend their property from a thief even if this will cause the conflict to escalate into a physical battle. If there is reason to assume that the thief will use lethal force to seize the property, the owner may use physical force, and even kill the thief if necessary to protect himself (Exodus 22:1, Sanhedrin 72a). There are two rationales for allowing self defense. The first is practical; without the ability to use lethal force to stop the actions of aggressors, anarchy would reign (Chinnuch 600). The second  rationale challenges the moral assumptions of nonviolence. It asserts that it is impossible to equate the lives of the aggressor and the victim; we have as a rule "that G-d's quest is the interests of  the hunted" (Ecclesiastes 3:15). The life of the aggressor and the victim are not of equal value; if only one will survive, it is our obligation to make certain that it is the innocent person, the victim, who will survive (Cf. Rashi to Exodus 22:1).

For this reason, the Jewish tradition considers pacifism in the face of aggression to be immoral.
Refusing to fight evil is to be party to evil. As Michael Kelly (Washington Post September 26, 2001) has pointed out:

    "No honest person can pretend that the groups that attacked America will, if let alone, not attack again. Nor can any honest person say that this attack is not at least reasonably likely to kill thousands upon thousands of innocent people. To not fight in this instance is to let the attackers live to attack and murder again; to be a pacifist in this instance is to accept and, in practice, support this outcome."

This is essentially the Jewish point of view; if you don't help the victim, you are an ally of the aggressor. If a person refuses to defend himself, he allows evil to triumph.

Peace is Judaism's paramount value, yet at times we have to make war. While this may seem to be a paradox, somehow we have to love peace and make war at the same time. It means that we should never lose sight of the humanity of our enemies, and we should recognize that every death on the battlefield is tragic. The Talmud teaches us that on the night that the Egyptian army drowned in the Red Sea, the first true moment of freedom for the Jews fleeing Egypt, G-d refused to hear the angels sing their prayers, and said "my creations are drowning in the sea, and you will sing songs?" (Megillah 10b). Every human is created in G-d's image, and every death is a tragedy. The former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir was often quoted as saying she could forgive the Arab countries for killing Jewish children, but she could not forgive the Arab countries for making it necessary for Jews to kill Arab children. The warrior must mourn the deaths of his enemies, and never forget the value of life.

A soldier's love for peace will affect his wartime behavior. While the old adage goes "all's fair in love and war", the Jewish view is that war must be conducted in an appropriate fashion. During wartime soldiers must make every effort to avoid killing noncombatants. This concern with collateral damage is first found in Abraham's pleading with G-d to avoid killing any righteous citizens of Sodom. Abraham argued that even though G-d was destroying Sodom because it was a profoundly wicked city, justice demanded that G-d avoid killing any righteous individual while destroying the city. The Torah even prohibits the destruction of trees in the vicinity of military attack (Deuteronomy 20:19). This is because even in wartime, we must be careful never to destroy, and despite the violence inherent in battle, we must endeavor to preserve every living being from humans to animals to trees (Chinnuch 630). A soldier must love peace, even when he goes out to battle.

A recent report in the New York Times (August 31, 2001 "Palestinians Reclaim Their Town After Israelis Withdraw") illustrates this point. After Israeli troops entered  Beit Jala to stop snipers from shooting into Gilo. The reporter, Clyde Haberman, visited Beit Jala after the Israeli troops withdrew. He found that in one apartment: "soldiers apologized in a note that they left in the paws of a teddy bear. In slightly misspelled English, it said, 'we are truely [sic] sorry for the mess we made.'"

These soldiers understood that peace is Judaism's paramount value. They understood that we are always sorry about the mess and tragedy of war, and that all Jews wait desperately for the days when "They will beat their swords into plowshares... and no nation will lift up its sword against another nation" (Isaiah 2:4).
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Re: Wow .. really rabbi brody ? ur a hypocrite
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2010, 10:37:38 AM »
Now regarding the rabbi's comment about the "might of the right arm," that sounds like he was implying that it was G-d's will that 6,000,000 Jews got murdered by the Nazis, which I find offensive.  That's just my two cents. 

Also, Chaim has said on past Ask JTF shows that G-d wants Jews to make this world a better place.  How was passively allowing the Nazis to murder Jews and others "making the world a better place?" 

A while back I asked Chaim why some Jews seem to believe that prayer is the only thing worth doing, as opposed to both prayer and action.  His response was that G-d wants both.  After all, King David did both. 

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2010, 10:47:10 AM »
Now regarding the rabbi's comment about the "might of the right arm," that sounds like he was implying that it was G-d's will that 6,000,000 Jews got murdered by the Nazis, which I find offensive.  That's just my two cents. 

Also, Chaim has said on past Ask JTF shows that G-d wants Jews to make this world a better place.  How was passively allowing the Nazis to murder Jews and others "making the world a better place?" 

A while back I asked Chaim why some Jews seem to believe that prayer is the only thing worth doing, as opposed to both prayer and action.  His response was that G-d wants both.  After all, King David did both. 

Rabbi Brody is certainly saying that both action and prayer are essential. The man fought in Israeli wars and is a war hero. He believes that G-d only helps us when we are strong in our faith. This is the message of the Torah. It is wrong to cast these kinds of negative statements against this good Rabbi.

Simply listen and read what he is saying. By no means is Rabbi Brody one to lay down and allow land to be given away to the enemy.

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Ash clouds, Missiles, and a Crazy Chamsin

If we knew the miracles that Hashem does behind our backs, we'd all be break-dancing in the middle of the Beltway at rush hour.

Nobody seemed to notice the connection between the volcanic ash cloud that was edging toward Israel, threatening to ground all air traffic, the crazy weather in Israel now, the military war games in Iran, and Israel's frantic efforts - even using Russia as a go-between - to fend off war with Syria and Iran. All these are pieces in one big puzzle that Hashem is putting together to hasten the redemption. The redemption is coming, as we mentioned yesterday. How it will come depends on our actions.

So what's the connection? And what's the big miracle? And why were Bibi and Peres panicking?

Under the guise of maneuvers, the Iranians were in strike formation. They and the Syrians saw the volcanic ash cloud as an opportunity to pour a massive barrage of missiles on Israel, while the Israeli Air Force - who they're scared stiff of - would be neutralized by the jet-engine-destroying cloud. The volcanic ash cloud choking Israeli air space would have made us sitting ducks to Syrian, Iranian, and Hizbulla missiles, Heaven forbid.

So what did Hashem do? Monday night, when the cloud ash cloud was set to reach Israel via a Westerly wind, the winds suddenly shifted here and became a 30-40 MPH searing hot desert wind, what we call the Chamsin, blowing in from the Saudi Arabian desert southeast of us, driving temperatures up to the high 90's (F) here on the coast, with sandstorms that coated our flat with a dust film. As soon as the ash cloud was blown away from Israel, the weather turned to a comfy 80F, sunny, with gentle 5 MPH winds from off the Mediterranean.

Hashem foiled the Iranian's plans. The IAF was back to policing the skies full force. There were large scale aerial maneuvers here that communicated the message to Iran and its proxy Syria, "Don't mess around with us." Frustrated, the Iranians began flexing macho muscles and firing Fajr-5 missiles into the sea and threatening the US Navy. Achmedinejad is begging for someone to kick him in the teeth. I'm sure Hashem will oblige.

Meanwhile, Hashem is showing us how much He loves us. Let's show Hashem how much we love Him. Let's strengthen our emuna and do our best to spread emuna all over the world. We must believe that we have the power to make this world a better place.

Thanks so much for the miracles, Hashem. You are, were, and always will be The Greatest there is. We sure love you.
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Re: Wow .. really rabbi brody ? ur a hypocrite
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2010, 03:00:38 PM »
Thank you for taking time for making that post mumar .. i have read the yom kippur praying in English it is indeed  poetic...but better in the original Hebrew of course.

but you saw how i broke it down.. i feel i broke it down like i did did for the GRE for grad school..

that's just it ....L.Bs post was very very shaky I'm not the only one that interpreted like that ... I'm sure no one ever called Kahane a pacifist

Perhaps he made a bo-bo on this one he is human but he needs to be careful

and to Lisa even he was criticizing the Jews of nazi Germany  ..you should be more shocked that his post seemed to convey a message of negativity towards orgs that promote Jewish "activist"s LBs words not mine ... like JTF

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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2010, 03:18:11 PM »
Re:  "In the army of Bar Kochva, new recruits were expected to prove their bravery by severing one of their fingers. "

Wow!

This is the first time I ever read about this!

The Jewish Yakuza!

Wonder what they did with all those fingers after they cut 'em off?

Great idea for a comedy skit!

The Jews send a package to the enemy with all their severed fingers in it, to prove just how dangerous a foe they will be in battle.

The enemy camp, not to be outdone, each cut off two of their fingers!...and then send a box twice the size of the Jews' box -- filled with twice as many of the enemies fingers!

Not to be outdone, the Jews reply in kind -- three fingers!

The enemy ----- four fingers each, all in a box to the Jews!

And so forth and so on........five fingers! ........then six!.......EIGHT!.......then ten fingers!.......then a right hand without any fingers !.......and so forth and so on!......

Finally, all the warriors in both enemy camps have cut all parts of their bodies off, sent them in boxes to the opposing camp.

All warriors on both sides are dead.

THE WAR IS OVER !

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And this, dear readers, is how the term "I gave 'em the finger "  came into being!



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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2010, 03:32:42 PM »
I believe that what Rabbi Brody is trying to convey is that if the Jewish People will repent and have total FAITH in Torah, a BELIEF that Ha'Shem is our G-d and not the secular rulers and laws of the earth, then we will be united in faith and purpose and thus a military and spiritual power which can not be defeated by our enemies.

In other words, all the billions spent on lobbying the U.S. Congress and procuring military assistance and loans are worthless if we Jews ourselves don't know why it is we are fighting and don't know for what it is we fight.

A united people insistent that ALL the Land of Israel is ours would long ago have beaten down any diplomatic or military forces seeking to weaken, divide, and destroy us.

I don't believe the Rabbi was trying to convey that we should simply pray and be pacifists.


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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2010, 12:40:31 AM »
I believe that what Rabbi Brody is trying to convey is that if the Jewish People will repent and have total FAITH in Torah, a BELIEF that Ha'Shem is our G-d and not the secular rulers and laws of the earth, then we will be united in faith and purpose and thus a military and spiritual power which can not be defeated by our enemies.

In other words, all the billions spent on lobbying the U.S. Congress and procuring military assistance and loans are worthless if we Jews ourselves don't know why it is we are fighting and don't know for what it is we fight.

A united people insistent that ALL the Land of Israel is ours would long ago have beaten down any diplomatic or military forces seeking to weaken, divide, and destroy us.

I don't believe the Rabbi was trying to convey that we should simply pray and be pacifists.





You and i both know they wont.. at least die trying.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2010, 12:50:36 AM »
ps i think he did , ask him yourself he replys to emails

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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2010, 12:56:26 AM »
Brody is a very wise man. The older brothers in my assembly, who teach there, basically say the same.
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Re: Wow .. really rabbi brody ? ur a hypocrite
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2010, 09:13:52 AM »
Nazis in my opinion were going against the will of God, as does everyone else who sins. I can't think of any more horrific sins than what they committed. God gives us a choice to obey Him or not to obey Him. I don't know but I imagine that's something that Jewish people would agree with too.

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Re: Wow .. really rabbi brody ? ur a hypocrite
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2010, 11:57:19 AM »
Nazis in my opinion were going against the will of G-d, as does everyone else who sins. I can't think of any more horrific sins than what they committed. G-d gives us a choice to obey Him or not to obey Him. I don't know but I imagine that's something that Jewish people would agree with too.

Do you think that the Egyptians were going against the will of G-d? Jewish belief is otherwise... The Egyptians and Pharoah were even crueler than the Nazis... Yet Hashem hardened Pharoahs heart...

Jewish belief goes like this... Hashem promised Abraham that his offspring will be slaves in a foreign land... The Egyptians were chosen to be the ones to 'punish' the Jewish people in order to fufill this promise to Abraham. While the Egyptians were a little too happy to subjugate the Jewish people they did as they were supposed to do for approx 210 years. Hashem brought the TEN PLAGUES because while the Egptians were supposed to enslave them, they were not supposed to torture and kill them... Thus Egypt was destroyed...

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THE PLAUGE OF THE FIRSTBORN

If we return to the Book of Genesis and analyze the promise that God gave Abraham we will understand the core of the Exodus story:

    And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram, and a fear of great darkness fell upon him. And He [God] said to Abram, "Know for a certainty that your seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge; and afterward shall they come out with great wealth." (Genesis 15:12-14)

The nation which afflicts the descendants of Abraham will be judged for their indiscretions. The mode of judgment is unclear.

This verse is echoed in the revelation to Moses at the Burning Bush:

    "And I will stretch out my hand, and strike Egypt with all my wonders which I will do in its midst; and after that he will let you go. And I will give this people favor in the sight of the Egyptians; and it shall come to pass, that, when you go, you shall not go empty, but every woman shall borrow from her neighbor, and from her who sojourns in her house, jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and garments, and you shall put them upon your sons, and upon your daughters, and you shall plunder the Egyptians." (Exodus 3:20-22)


Here both the "judgment" of the oppressing nation is recorded as well as the wealth which was to accompany the Jews on their departure. In Genesis, only a judgment is mentioned.

In his comments to Genesis,4 Nachmanides insists that the judgement would be concerned with determining whether the oppressing nation had followed the Divine plan of enslaving the Jewish people, or if they had gone "beyond the call of duty."

According to this opinion, ostensibly the Egyptians could have been judged and found innocent, since Genesis does not speak of any punishment per se. For the Jews to have left Egypt with great wealth, in payment for the sweat of their collective brows would have sufficed as fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham.

But as we know, the Egyptians were not exonerated. They had assumed the role of oppressors with enthusiasm, with a vengeance. The promise to Abraham enumerated enslavement in a foreign land; genocide was never part of the promise.

When Egyptians began casting the male Jewish children into the Nile, the plagues followed.
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Re: Wow .. really rabbi brody ? ur a hypocrite
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2010, 04:04:00 AM »

You and i both know they wont.. at least die trying.
not even moshish can do that ,  not even Moshe ben Amram.

i wish someone would respond to that .. because i do wish i was wrong ..

Anyway, what i say is from tanach where Joshua has the Torah in one hand and a sword in the other

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Re: Wow .. really rabbi brody ? ur a hypocrite
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2010, 05:43:15 AM »
Nazis in my opinion were going against the will of G-d, as does everyone else who sins. I can't think of any more horrific sins than what they committed. G-d gives us a choice to obey Him or not to obey Him. I don't know but I imagine that's something that Jewish people would agree with too.

Yes, I agree with you.  Jews believe in the concept of free will.

I'm not sure what Muman is talking about.

Muman, even though slavery in Egypt was decreed, the harsh abuse that the Egyptians gave us was NOT.  The slavery as a group is a national fate that was promised to Avraham, and it can be based on economic factors, mindsets (ie Jewish slave-mindset), what sins we did, etc, and was not necessarily the Egyptians doing anything wrong.  Slavery was a common institution in society of the ancient world.   But on the individual level, they oppressed us, they made our lives extremely difficult, and this is what was evil, and they chose to do this with their own free will and for that were punished, as all sins are punished.   That is exactly why in the Torah slavery is not completely outlawed from society, it was too entranched, but the rules are put in place to make sure that those who are slaves are not abused and mistreated because to do that is evil, whereas to have a slave is a mere economic agreement/relationship which is not necessarily immoral if you treat people right.

Thus we see that when Nazis and their collaborators slaughtered us and our children in cold blood, they were exercising their free will to do evil in the world.