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mord:
Olam means world but it means forever as well

thatguy11:

--- Quote from: mord on June 20, 2011, 12:16:39 PM ---Olam means world but it means forever as well

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No it means world. As well as, 'a long time' , 'antiquity' , 'futurity'. Not forever...

Even then, my post still stands.

muman613:
Uh,

Jews have lived in the land for far longer than any arabs have lived there. Jews have lived in the land since the diaspora, which is many centuries before the advent of Islam {which occurred in the 8th century}. During the Turkish and British occupations there were more Jews living in the land than non-Jews, which is why the term 'Palestinian' was used to refer to Jews who lived in the 'Palestine Mandate' of Britain.

The promise which G-d made to the Jews was an eternal promise which cannot be unnulled. The Jewish connection to the land is well known to every culture on earth, as the Jews have prayed for the peace of Jerusalem for many thousands of years {even before the expulsion of Babylon}. The archeological and historical evidence of Jewish occupation of the land is undeniable.

The so-called 'palestinians' which you cry for are an invented people. There was never a state called 'Palestine' and never has there been a 'Palestinian King' or any other such leader. There is no unique Palestinian culture nor is there any palestinian race. These people for whom you are crying are simply criminals who came to the land to steal from the Jews because their twisted religion casts Jews as subhuman creatures who are 'pigs and apes' according to their holy books. History of the last 1000 years is full of Islamic expansion which involved killing the infidel or subjecting them to dhimmitude. Jews have been dhimmis in Arab states for too many years and the time has come to remove the oppressive muslim caliphate and replace it with a sovereign Jewish state known as Greater Israel, from the Nile to the Euphrates...

Regarding your attempt to say that the land was given to Ishmael you are patently wrong. It is clear that Ishmael was sent out of Abrahams house and had absolutely no inheritance in the land. Regarding Yitro it is also clear that he converted to Judaism...

muman613:

--- Quote from: thatguy11 on June 20, 2011, 12:24:31 PM ---No it means world. As well as, 'a long time' , 'antiquity' , 'futurity'. Not forever...

Even then, my post still stands.

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I believe mord is correct that Olam can mean 'forever'. It is also a word which represents the idea of World or Worlds. Actually Olam is the root word for 'Hiddeness'...

http://www.sichosinenglish.org/books/sichos-in-english/51/28.htm


--- Quote ---The Hebrew word for "forever," olam also means "world," and also relates to the Hebrew word helam which means hiddenness. [Our world is characterized by hiddenness, the concealment of G-dliness, and this allows] for a soul, "an actual part of G-d," to be concealed, i.e., to depart from this world after its "days and years are completed," i.e., after they have been endowed with fullness and completion through good deeds. And in this context as well, the pattern mentioned above applies. Each good deed leads to more good deeds, in a never ending sequence.
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muman613:
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/promised-land/

   “Your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will name him Isaac. I will establish My covenant with him as an eternal covenant to his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael ... I have bless him and I will make him fruitful and will increase him exceedingly. He will become the father of twelve princes and I will make him into a great nation. But I will establish My covenant with Isaac who Sarah will bear to you at this time next year.” (Genesis 17:19-21)

So Isaac is the person who will carry on the mission of Abraham, the mission of the Jews. A rivalry will exist between Sarah and Hagar and their children, Isaac and Ishmael. Because of this rivalry Hagar and Ishmael will be sent away. (Jewish tradition notes that after Sarah’s death, Abraham takes Hagar back as wife and he fathers more children through her.(2) ) This rivalry will carry on for generations is viewed as the metaphysical root of the modern rivalry between the descendants of Isaac (the Jews) and Ishmael (the Arabs)(3)

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